Will Up+B ever be viable?

[DreamFunk]

I know it has a ton of startup and end lag but somewhere deep in my heart I think it could be viable in a random situation.

 

[Little ShOcKeR]

If you up b next to the ledge you will snap to it regardless of which direction you face. So it is used, just not to put them to sleep.

 

[roboticphish]

You can use it to grab the ledge if you aren't facing it, you can use it as a really risky mixup on the ledge to put an opponent to sleep if they get too close, and it can be used in teams for free kills. That's about it.

 

[Pip_Puff]

Lol it's good for reverse snapping ledge but that's about it, every character has a bad move,

like sheik's down b

 

[gmBottles]

While it is useful in some situations (pretty much only at the ledge, and it's pretty uncommon that you can use it well), I wouldn't go so far as to say it could be "good". If someone is hanging around at the ledge too much you could bait out a laggy move then use Sing to put them to sleep, then you'll grab the ledge and be able to punish with a rest. An alternative to rest as well would be getting up quickly and charging a smash attack (though they are able to mash out), get a grab, or just jump behind them and hit them with the reverse hit of nair and edgeguard them.

 

[krazyzyko]

When puff jumps in the air she gets inflated and turns into a bigger hurtbox. If you up b close to the edge, the edge magnet has more range and she goes back to her original size so it's safer to sweetspot to the edge. And you can buffer an edge tech during the sing.

Also if you edgehog Marth or Sheik (generally) they land vulnerably on the stage, there you can sing > edge regrab and position yourself better to get an even more guaranteed rest. What l do is ledge dash and then rest on them when they're almost standing back up after their nap.

It's a hard timing but you can run off > sing > edgehog if you don't tap jump accidentally.

 

[MudkipUniverse]

At high enough percentage it can be impossible to mash out, meaning you can stall with it. Excessive stalling techniques are banned though so it doesn't really mean much, especially since it´s not easy to Sing someone in the first place.

 

[Masondeanm]

At high enough percentage it can be impossible to mash out, meaning you can stall with it. Excessive stalling techniques are banned though so it doesn't really mean much, especially since it´s not easy to Sing someone in the first place.

But is it specifically banned? As far as I know there's no rule in place for that as of now. There's so few things like this in Melee that generally they're all specified as opposed to just saying "no excessive stalling".

 

[Masondeanm]

The less viable a move is in top level competitive play, the more viable it is when it come so disrespecting lesser players than yourself. Swag is a very important part of Melee.

 

[Stroimex]

Sometimes I punish some failed attacks using Up-B to make them sleep because I don't feel some aerials to be viable in certain punishes. I'm still fresh tho.
Also I don't know when it makes them sleep for long times and when they wake up faster. I belive it works like Bayonnese's ***** Time being more effective on High % oponents

 

[Bell Pepper]

Sometimes I punish some failed attacks using Up-B to make them sleep because I don't feel some aerials to be viable in certain punishes. I'm still fresh tho.
Also I don't know when it makes them sleep for long times and when they wake up faster. I belive it works like Bayonnese's ***** Time being more effective on High % oponents

The higher in percent you are the longer you will be asleep.

 

[Spidertotz]

Sing has some fair uses, here are the once I know and the once I use: (Some of them has already been mentioned)

1. Running of and using up-b during fast fall to grab the ledge. (I'm doing this pretty consistent now).
2. You can grab the ledge a lot lower compared to when you normally would. I use this all the time vs a Marth that f-smashes and down tilts at the edge.
3. Like others say, it can be uses when you bait marth and sheik to use their up-b and landing on the edge. It can also be uses when doing the "Marth killer" when using light shield at the edge, as seen in the combo video "Technical machine no.44"

 

[iAmMatt]

Reverse snapping to ledge + infinites at ledge

 

[Peppers]

But is it specifically banned? As far as I know there's no rule in place for that as of now. There's so few things like this in Melee that generally they're all specified as opposed to just saying "no excessive stalling".

Apex rulebook says stalling is a banable offense. No it doesn't specifically say you can't sing stall but if you are using it to timeout a match I'd almost guarantee the TO would DQ you. That being said I'd totally mess around with this in friendlies just to bust my buddies balls.

 

[rivers]

I am the sing ledgegrab master

I only do the sing infinite in doubles to give my teammate hella time to run up and charge an attack but that's because I'm not a **** head

 

[Calais79]

Obviously a one in a million situation but at Pat's House 3 Prince Abu vs. PewPewU ( At 10:19 - https://youtu.be/9hR8orkcfDk ) where a puff was recovering and accidentally used up-b mid air, landed on fountain with the right plat down and Marth tried to punish with tipper f-smash. He just barely miss spaced the f-smash so the tipper was an inch from phantoming and because he apparently extended his hurtbox he got put to sleep just long enough for the Jiggs to finish singing and f-smash back. Unfortunately it didn't kill (if he had more time from percent being higher he probably would've rested) and he didn't get the edge guard but still, a crazy accidental use of up-b in high level play. lol

 

[CAUP]

Another use people aren't mentioning that I can see being optimized if enough work was put in: if sing trades, which is rare though can happen, you get a free rest. It's really cool. Another thing people don't know is that the sleep animation can be edge cancelled lol. You have to be running really fast though. Whatever.

 

[BuffThePuff08]

Grab on to the ledge -> Jump -> Up-B (Can be done infinitely if repeated)

 

[Weenuk]

doing it infinitely is considered stalling tho

 

[Linc.inc]

grab ledge, short hop up, up b, you will snap back to ledge and if the oponent is asleep rest before they can get up.