Smash Wii U Will the GamePad be Banned in Competitive play ?

[Number1MinunFan]

Do you think it will give players an unfair advantage so tournaments like EVO and APEX will ban it ?

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

If it's because there is only one, probably.

 

[Cap'nChreest]

Unfair advantage? How?

 

[Hong]

BYOC will and should still be in place.

Maybe we'll be in a circumstance where the host can configure things more quickly using the touch screen. If we're really lucky and they have the competitive community in mind, administrative functions like stage selection/counterpick can be handled with the gamepad by a third party/host. Would be really cool if they had tournament organizational functions on the gamepad.

But for actual gameplay? I can't fathom a situation where we'd even have a player who would want to use the gamepad to play (even if you prefer wireless, there are better options), that said, if there is legitimately no advantage to using it, why not? Just BYOC.

 

[Octillus]

God, it sure would be weird to see a competitive player staring down the entire time while everyone else isn't. It just makes for a weird scene.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

If smash 4 only supports one gamepad per set-up, it will have to be banned because both players couldn't use it at the same time. Even if it's a bad option, it's still fundamentally unfair to allow one side to do something the other also can't do. If it supports two (the Wii U hardware allows this, but no games that I know of actually do), it will be legal in singles and allocated to one gamepad per side in doubles.

 

[mimgrim]

Actually, if I am not mistaken, the Gamepad renders images 7 frames ahead of the TV. For a 60fps game this difference shouldn't be anywhere near as bad, but it still is an advantage to the Gamepad.

Of course I could always be wrong about this to.

 

[ImaClubYou]

People used Nunchucks and Classic controls in Brawl tournaments.

I don't see how we can ban these things even with the disadvantage or advantage. It's kind of similar to port priority in a sense.

Unless we see people spawn items with some convoluted gamepad mechanic, I don't see it being banned for a good reason.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

Actually, if I am not mistaken, the Gamepad renders images 7 frames ahead of the TV. For a 60fps game this difference shouldn't be anywhere near as bad, but it still is an advantage to the Gamepad.

Of course I could always be wrong about this to.

This is definitely not true; there's not 7 frames of delay between your inputs and response time in general. Wii U games would be very awkward to play if there were.

However, the gamepad does have about 1f of lag on that front (worse than a tournament level HD monitor but not a whole lot worse) and is agnostic to your TV. That means that, if you are playing on a very, very laggy HDTV, the gamepad could have a performance in that neighborhood, and on any sort of laggy TV in general, the gamepad will offer a non-laggy display. Here's a source that talks about this a bit:

http://www.negativeworld.org/featur...mepad-to-test-your-tvs-input-lag#.U79YrEAwKSo

The short version of this is that the gamepad only offers an advantage if playing on a bad TV. No bad TVs should be used at a smash tournament, and in fact, the quality of equipment we should be demanding should result in the gamepad being at a slight disadvantage if used as a primary display for the user.

 

[Yakko93]

Well, there is one Gamepad per system. With the dual screens, one could use the Gamepad on display to have another way of watching Smash.

 

[HipsandChips]

No,
A Wii U can only sync one gamepad at a time.
So what if two people wanted to use gamepads?
It would just create conflict.

 

[Vigilante]

One person using the gamepad prevents three others from using it. By that standard it is unfair as it means that if several individuals learn to play smash that way, only one will be allowed to use this control scheme. This would create problems such as "how do you determine who will be using the gamepad when more than one person wishes to use it?" The problem would exist in both 1 VS 1 and 2 VS 2.

While using the gamepad for non-competitive play is fine, unless there is a way to sync 4 gamepads to a system, it should be banned altogether.

If it allows for off TV play, if will create a situation where signal differs between screens. That means one person will have a different experience from the other players in terms of input lag. This would be a gray area that some may want to avoid threading into.

Then again, I don't know why I'm posting here. I'm not playing this. However, the title of the thread in the front page preview made me have an instant reaction.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If only 1 person can use it, then it would get banned just from the unfair standpoint.

 

[Hong]

Indeed. Didn't know the system had a limitation on the gamepad. Any kind of exclusivity to one person makes it a no-go.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

Indeed. Didn't know the system had a limitation on the gamepad. Any kind of exclusivity to one person makes it a no-go.

The system has hardware support for two. Using two gamepads cuts the gamepad framerate in half, but it otherwise works. However, no game to my knowledge yet supports actually using this functionality. We'll have to see if smash 4 is the first.

 

[LancerStaff]

I'll vouch for dual Gamepads. I've even done it myself.

Never tried it with a VC game though, but I ought to sometime.

 

[Aninymouse]

The Gamepad is one of the most comfortable controllers I've ever held. If they were allowed, I'd play with one for that reason alone. I mean, it's no contest between it and the Pro, for me.

I'll just use the GCC since the Gamepad will be banned, though.

 

[D-idara]

The GamePad's really comfortable, I hope Nintendo patches a 'use Gamepad as Pro Controller' function soon.

 

[Aninymouse]

I'd also like to add something: a lot of you mentioned people using the "off-TV play" function of the gamepad. That's NOT the main reason to use it in a tournament setting. At home, anything goes, but having a mini-TV on the controller is not the draw for most people who genuinely like the gamepad.

Like I said, it's ergonomics. It fits in your hands, and the button/stick layout/spacing/size are all very nice. The only thing is that it's a bit awkward to use BOTH L+R AND ZL+ZR at the same time, but for smash, you only really need one set of triggers, anyway. Both sets of triggers are great; ZL+ZR being the best.

 

[Pazzo.]

I doubt that the GP will be used in competitive... two can't use it at the same time.

 

[PKBeam]

If it's true that only one can use it, then the only way it'd be allowed is if both parties consent to one player using it.

 

[Saikyoshi]

Here's why the Gamepad will be banned:

Just press (-) to make the opponent play blind.

 

[LancerStaff]

Here's why the Gamepad will be banned:

Just press (-) to make the opponent play blind.

Unless it displays the game on both screens like MK8 does.

 

[GunGunW]

They might ban everything except gamecube controllers. Though, I suppose even if they don't, it wouldn't be fair because only one player gets to use it.

 

[Saikyoshi]

They might ban everything except gamecube controllers. Though, I suppose even if they don't, it wouldn't be fair because only one player gets to use it.

Hold on, they didn't go that far in the Brawl days. They wouldn't now, especially with so many people preferring the Pro Controller.

 

[GunGunW]

Hold on, they didn't go that far in the Brawl days. They wouldn't now, especially with so many people preferring the Pro Controller.

Well, the way I see it is that even if the game pad doesn't give an unfair advantage it might still be seen as being unfair because only one person gets to use it and other players might think of it as unfair since they would want to use it.

I mean if it's a bunch of buddies at one person's house, it's like "well, it's my house so I get the gamepad" but in competitive play it's not quite the same thing; unless of course they find a way to use multiple gamepads.