Who the **** is Fdv...

[Mars-]

He bans like 4 people for posting in a thread. If it was kish, he would have just closed the thread, why the **** are you going to ban people for being midwest?

 

[SolarFlare88]

noobs need to not have mod control... they dont know wtf they are doing or wtf is going on... they should stick to their lame *** debate and pool threADs... WOOOOHOHO WE ARE COOL WE DEBATE ON SMASHBOARDS OMGZ.

stupid fros...

TRIBEAM HUHHHHHH FDV

 

[Mars-]

I am not banning people for replying to spam. I simply gave them infractions for it

Lol, 2 points is more then a "simple infraction".

 

[Fronzle]

obviously forward should at least have gotten warnings along with DAlegendarysauce. for the forward came in and posted in a region not his and made a non tournament aka "spam" thread that obviously should do something. Sauce started the x men discussion and posted in it like 3 times thats banned according to the adding infractions up to get ppl banned.

 

[Overswarm]

obviously forward should at least have gotten warnings along with DAlegendarysauce. for the forward came in and posted in a region not his and made a non tournament aka "spam" thread that obviously should do something. Sauce started the x men discussion and posted in it like 3 times thats banned according to the adding infractions up to get ppl banned.

Most moderators aren't as anal as to give you an infraction per post, and generally give you infractions per post between warnings. So if you post 11 times and then are warned, you would get one warning. The next time you posted in the same vein, you would get another one, etc., etc. The idea is to show them that they are doing something wrong and need to quit, not to flex your e-muscles.

 

[Fronzle]

y'know that would be cool if he had warned ppl prior to just banning them. y'know johnz incarnate i tell ya.

 

[DrewB008]

oh **** solarflare88 has returned

 

[Mars-]

Overswarm, I hope you really don't think that is true, because you will probably be getting banned like the rest of us when Fdv sees this thread.

 

[DrewB008]

i didnt get any warnings so clearly warnings were not distributed to people per post or anything.

edit: fdv stands for fierce deity vegeta guys, if you were wondering.

 

[Warrior of Zarona]

Warnings shouldn't be needed to give out. The rules are always written at the top, and if a Super Moderator comes in and sees those rules being broken, he has every right to give you those infractions even if the residence mod doesn't. It's like a cop give you some leniency, but having a high ranking officer coming in on occasion to make sure things are in check.

If you have any problems with the way things are run, then you go to Forum Disputes and you settle it there. Honestly, the whole "Kish let us get away with it, why can't you?" argument isn't something that's going to help either you or Prime.

 

[DrewB008]

if somebody has been doing something unpunished for a while then goes from having 0 warnings to being banned, while others like myself are completely unpunished, thats just abusing power and selectively exercising authority. and nobody is really interested in what goes on in a forum where nobody can see it, although i know some people have posted there about this.

 

[Warrior of Zarona]

It's not a matter of who you are, but what you got caught doing. FDV caught the spammy posts and went along with that. Things like that aren't selective - it's just being at the wrong place at the wrong time. However, if you're bringing up the issue that the rest of you spam, then you're calling to have the Midwest forums be watched over with a stricter policy.

 

[DrewB008]

im saying that many people posted in the threads in question, and im pretty sure nobody got away with just a warning, everybody was either banned or nothing happened. thats not how things should be done, especially when the thread had almost 40 posts before anyone complained. then, when fdv noticed the heinous threads of the mw forum, instead of telling people to stop and warning them, he just banned a handful of contributors, trying to make an example of them i assume.

 

[Overswarm]

It's not a matter of who you are, but what you got caught doing. FDV caught the spammy posts and went along with that. Things like that aren't selective - it's just being at the wrong place at the wrong time. However, if you're bringing up the issue that the rest of you spam, then you're calling to have the Midwest forums be watched over with a stricter policy.

I think he is calling to have fairness and consistency in moderation, Zarona. Half the players are banned, while the other half aren't, yet all were in the same threads.

Although keeping 5150 in check would be nice ;D

 

[Fronzle]

no its just the way he explained it was contributing to a spam thread by posting is grounds for an infraction. meaning even if u posted in that thead only once you should have had an infraction on ur account while some ppl went from 0 to banned othes received nothing. AND everybody spams. No one cares here though it's not like we're destroying the integrity of Smash World Forums man soooo much integrity there anyway. It's an internet forum where even the most mature people are excused for acting immature. It's just the lack of honesty that makes no sense. There is clearly an underlying reason why some people didn't even get warned. Hoefler got banned for making like one post.

 

[SolarFlare88]

It's not a matter of who you are, but what you got caught doing. FDV caught the spammy posts and went along with that. Things like that aren't selective - it's just being at the wrong place at the wrong time. However, if you're bringing up the issue that the rest of you spam, then you're calling to have the Midwest forums be watched over with a stricter policy.

and all im saying is you guys are noobs... and need to calm down.. its a video game forum... let us do how we do. we are restricting it to a single thread and not causing harm to anyone.... u take spam away from the mw and u kill a little bit of our souls .

the kid is still lame..

 

[KishPrime]

Hey guys, just to take care of this, yes FDV does have more authority than I. In this case, I wasn't around, he stopped by, and you all had created 4 spam threads, apparently in a single day. I allow about one spam thread a week, and I leave it open for one day at most. It was an extreme circumstance and doesn't need to happen again.

The warnings that were given out were not instabans, but warnings were given out for each thread that people posted in (in I understand correctly). No one was perma- or insta-banned. Everyone will be back in two weeks (or one) when the warnings expire.

I'm sorry I wasn't there to close the threads first, but you have to realize that you spam at your own risk.

 

[Warrior of Zarona]

I think he is calling to have fairness and consistency in moderation, Zarona. Half the players are banned, while the other half aren't, yet all were in the same threads.

Although keeping 5150 in check would be nice ;D

Feel free to call me WoZ instead.

If you know how the system of infractions work, you would find that you need 6 points to be banned. From what I can see, FDV gave everyone who posted in that thread a REPLY TO SPAM infraction, which is worth 2 points. The reason some of you are banned and some of you aren't is because some of you posted three or more times, which adds up to 6 or more points. If you aren't banned, chances are you didn't post that amount.

He didn't outright ban people, which is something you guys need to understand. However, the amount of points accumulated resulted in being banned.

 

[Tink]

rofl, the whole thread that we are talking about here was spam, thats why it was locked <_<.....and simply going from 0 warnings to being banned isnt something that should happen at all. i could see if he came in there saying "hey, this is total spam, its against the rules, people that posted in it will get a warning for it and dont do it again" but instead comes in and is like "your banned, GGs". thats not a good way to handle anything.

edit: once agian i find myself staring at WoZs sig =).

 

[Fronzle]

It's not like people don't know when they get out of hand. I bet that no one even thinks that they were out of hand other than like Fdv I mean maybe a little bit, but not anything extreme to the point of being banworthy. Oh man they're talkin about something other than smash in their region's thread. It's time to strike!!!

I'll believe if I see proof of infractions received on everyone's account that was banned. And why did some people go with no infractions at all if it was counted by post in a spam thread?

 

[Warrior of Zarona]

and all im saying is you guys are noobs... and need to calm down.. its a video game forum... let us do how we do. we are restricting it to a single thread and not causing harm to anyone.... u take spam away from the mw and u kill a little bit of our souls .

the kid is still lame..

If it's just a video game forum, then getting banned for breaking the rules should not even be a big deal. You get to come back after 2 weeks. It's not the end of the world.

However, if you don't even know what it's like to moderate the forums, then you honestly shouldn't even be calling us noobs, especially if the time you spend here isn't very practical at all.

Fronzle - EVERYONE in that thread received an infraction, believe you me.

 

[mathos]

Warnings shouldn't be needed to give out. The rules are always written at the top, and if a Super Moderator comes in and sees those rules being broken, he has every right to give you those infractions even if the residence mod doesn't. It's like a cop give you some leniency, but having a high ranking officer coming in on occasion to make sure things are in check.

If you have any problems with the way things are run, then you go to Forum Disputes and you settle it there. Honestly, the whole "Kish let us get away with it, why can't you?" argument isn't something that's going to help either you or Prime.

I have made a post regarding the topic in the forum disputes and am currently waiting on a reply.

Its more like that Regional Vice President who comes into a local store and rips it apart because he has the power to do so but has no background knowledge to justisfy it.

KishPrime does his job effectively and efficiently, however, the midwest people feel violated because this is Prime knows how to deal with these problems and FDV comes in and overshadows Prime's authority, when he clearly has no idea how to deal with us.

 

[DrewB008]

he claims he gave out warnings for people replying to spam and etc., but this clearly wasnt the case, as i received 0 warnings and i posted in xmen discussion 4 times, and sauce created the thread and posted a few times and is also unpunished. i dont care if the terminology for racking up warnings is different than an instaban, jiano had 0 warnings and was given 6 points without any notice in between, dont pretend that isnt an instaban.

also i dont see why posting 4000 times in artwork emporium and pool room gives you authority over an entire website about super smash brothers.

edit:and if somebody comes in and is like "whoops looks like we missed you" and bans me now, it just proves fdv cant effectively moderate.

 

[Fronzle]

The fact still remains that the majority of mods are just like old and don't even play the game anymore, if they ever did so, I don't even think they should be mods if they don't play the game or go to tournies. I have no problem with the regional mods but all the S mods don't even play anymore. Gideon is cool cuz he made the forums and keeps them up just for the smashers. I have much more respect for the regional mods like prime and u WoZ. The S Mods just seem to be kids that got picked on in High School and now take it out on the smashers.

 

[Overswarm]

also i dont see why posting 4000 times in artwork emporium and pool room gives you authority over an entire website about super smash brothers.

While it may not seem the case here, it was probably the fact that he didn't let people spam and clutter those forums ^_^

Of course, the MW forum generally has one or two of those spam threads every week and it isn't just normal, people like it. Otherwise the forum is basically dead. Doesn't really matter though, because it is still part of the rules :\


From what I understand, not everyone was warned. That's my only issue with the situation. I personally don't care if people get warned/banned for spamming because, well, it is spamming. You're supposed to be warned/banned for it. But picking out random people or giving multiple infractions for several posts in one thread (or one post in one thread) doesn't sit too awful well with me.

 

[Warrior of Zarona]

It's something you'll have to wait from FDV then. Every moderator has a different policy of modding on the boards, so as I've said from the beginning - if you've got an issue with the way a certain person does things, bring it up to Forum Disputes. That's really all that can be done at this point.

 

[Fronzle]

Plus WoZ we know who received infractions because we are all friends and talk to each other about it. I say we all uproot and go to gfaqs!!!! JK

 

[DrewB008]

thats been done, but people really wanted a discussion, so they could see for sure that they were not being ignored, hence the 3 or 4 threads discussing the matter here.

 

[Fronzle]

and Fdv just closing all of them trying to ignore it. Because he is a massive fro andjust because he was picked on in HS for being a tortured artist doesn't give him the right to pick and choose who is warned and who is not. He lied about why people were banned obviously with some not even receiving infractions(I mean Drew even admitted to not receiving an infraction) , maybe he is just jealous of people who are good at smash I don't know. Everyone should have been warned not just some. Not saying drew is bad he takes me to last stock often.

Also there should not be your own way of moderating if the rules are broken punish people but, don't half-*** it by punishing people but not puninshing others who did the same thing.

 

[DrewB008]

fronzle it sounds like your post says im not good at smash

 

[Overswarm]

fronzle it sounds like your post says im not good at smash

and?

Spoiler

lolololololol10char

 

[KishPrime]

Look guys, the situation is what it is. I'm unfortunately stuck in the middle. I will say that I don't let a bunch of threads go on at once, so please stop saying that I do.

Yes, I do allow a spam thread every now and again. Many of them I close as soon as I find them. When they stay open, then you post in them at your own risk unless I post saying it'll stay open for awhile. If you're going to make a spam thread, please don't make more than one at a time. There's nothing to say this couldn't happen again if people post out of hand.

I'm closing the thread before I lose even more of my clientele simply because there isn't anything constructive going on here. The reasoning has been explained. Further personal attacks against FDV will not be tolerated, just like I don't tolerate them against anyone. If you still have an argument, I encourage you to post in Forum Disputes, as that is what it is there for.