Who is a good secondary for Ganondorf?

[Caryslan]

I have a question that I would like to ask other Ganondorf players.

In general, I think Ganondorf can fight most of the other characters on the roster, but I have run into some characters that give me so trouble. Shiek and Rosalina are the big ones, Sonic can be annoying to hit, I've had trouble with Wario and some others.

My question is this, I really don't want to drop Ganondorf. I can win most matchups with him, and I enjoy playing as him.

But I'm looking for a decent secondary for Ganondorf's more troublesome matches. I started playing as Mario, and I've done pretty good with him. I have the d-throw to uair combo down, and he does pretty good. I've been a Dr. Mario player since Melee, so getting Mario's gameplay down was not difficult.

I suppose I could give Captain Falcon a try, but I've read that he has alot of the same problematic matchups that Ganondorf does.

Pretty much the only character I can't do anything with is Shiek or Rosalina. But are there other characters that help Ganondorf out? I read that Meta Knight does pretty well against Rosalina.

Can any of my fellow Ganondorf players offer me advice on this? Is there a secondary worth picking up?

 

[Sykkamorre]

Sure, secondary GANONDORF.

Or doc. Doc's underrated. Or MM. Or Olimar. Or lucario.

Basically, PICK A CHARACTER THAT YOU LIKE AND USE THEM.

 

[Zam053]

I don't get it why you have problems with Wario. He is somewhat easy to deal with since our moves usually out-range his.

But usually you want a secondary that covers your main's weakness. Most characters that Ganon suffers are jugglers and combo characters that are dominant in the metagame (Pikachu being the main threat), with characters with good zooning tools being close econd. What I can suggest is picking up a character with a way to deal with projectiles and that doesn't suffer with jugglers, like Fox or even Falcon.

Another way to pick a secondary is someone that benefits against his worst matchups. Pikachu is the worst matchup, so maybe going with Braindead Weegee might be a good idea...

 

[EtrianHero23]

As Zam above me has stated, if you want a secondary for Ganondorf, you should pick a character that can cover Ganon's weaknesses. Meta Knight is a solid character for you to secondary as he can cover some of his worst matches well. (Sheik and Rosalina) If you don't like MK, then characters like Mario, ZSS, Luigi are another choice to cover his bad match-ups. If all else fails then just pick a character you like to play.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Wario is like, one of our best match ups.


Look up unfavorable match ups for the characters Gananondorf has problems with and pick one of those i guess?

 

[Theosmeo]

I chose peach because of how difficult it is to gimp her(shiek) and her ability to deal with projectiles(robin, pacman, rosalina, pika). Her fair is like ganon's so i like her.

But choose someone fun, they'll likely have better MUs than ganon because most people have better MUs than ganon. But nobody has reads that are quite so rewarding.

 

[Axel311]

I'd go with someone fast and rush down who can zone break since Gannon getting camped is going to be his major issue.

As for Wario, I'm no expert but I think Wario beats Gannon pretty solidly actually so don't feel bad. I main Wario (I play Gannon a little on the side) and if Wario just camps and doesn't approach I think Gannon has a bad time. The Wario boards seem to feel the matchup is strongly in Wario's favor.

 

[JmacAttack]

I'd go with someone fast and rush down who can zone break since Gannon getting camped is going to be his major issue.

As for Wario, I'm no expert but I think Wario beats Gannon pretty solidly actually so don't feel bad. I main Wario (I play Gannon a little on the side) and if Wario just camps and doesn't approach I think Gannon has a bad time. The Wario boards seem to feel the matchup is strongly in Wario's favor.

Based on what? Camp with what? Ganon camps Wario, if anything. He outranges Wario in the neutral, edgeguards safely, can wall out his approaches with tilts and aerials, and he smashes bike with any smash, aerial, or dash attack. Wario has no answers for flame choke as his tech roll is bad, plus he is fat, so he's vulnerable to ftilt out of choke. Wario is an easy matchup for Ganon, one of his easiest, particularly since the generic "don't approach" is not an option for him.

You tell the Wario boards we would like to discuss this with them. It sounds like they rated the matchup based on gut feeling and not on the actual matchup.

 

[Zam053]

The only thing I can think off that Wario can zone Ganon is by using the bike as a projectile, but even then it makes him vulnerable to a follow up UAir. So overall, I agree that Ganon has a good MU against Wario.

 

[whoknowswhat]

Sheik duh

 

[Planty]

Based on what? Camp with what? Ganon camps Wario, if anything. He outranges Wario in the neutral, edgeguards safely, can wall out his approaches with tilts and aerials, and he smashes bike with any smash, aerial, or dash attack. Wario has no answers for flame choke as his tech roll is bad, plus he is fat, so he's vulnerable to ftilt out of choke. Wario is an easy matchup for Ganon, one of his easiest, particularly since the generic "don't approach" is not an option for him.

You tell the Wario boards we would like to discuss this with them. It sounds like they rated the matchup based on gut feeling and not on the actual matchup.

I don't wanna get into this because I don't play Ganondorf, but you're forgetting the only move that matters: waft.

Wario forces approaches just by standing there. Waft is such an important move to Wario that if he can consistently land it, he's top tier and if he always fails.... well he kinda sucks. So it makes sense that you would think this matchup as easy when not accounting for waft.

Now for the OP Caryslan
MK bodies Rosalina. Like, hard. It's hilariously bad. Basically if Rosalina gets hit at 5% by MK's dash attack, he could true combo into a kill. 5%! It's that bad. On top of that, MK kills Luma like it's nothing (Which is a huge, because you can't wall him out without Luma and his high mobility make running away a poor option.) There's other things too, like MK's superior offstage game, but it's mainly killing Luma easily and killing Rosalina at 5% that make it so bad.

 

[JmacAttack]

I don't wanna get into this because I don't play Ganondorf, but you're forgetting the only move that matters: waft.

Wario forces approaches just by standing there. Waft is such an important move to Wario that if he can consistently land it, he's top tier and if he always fails.... well he kinda sucks. So it makes sense that you would think this matchup as easy when not accounting for waft.

But you're just assuming you always land the waft, which is not always the case, especially against Ganon because Ganon can outspace the waft with his tilts or aerials. You have to approach to use it, and Ganon can stuff Wario's approaches rather easily. Wario has no ranged pressure or projectiles. This is not a character that forces Ganon to approach, it's the other way around. Ganon has SideB against a camping Wario, and Wario cannot escape the followups even with a tech. Ganon gets every followup against Wario, which means Wario is utterly screwed if he gets hit by the sideB.

Yes, Waft is a factor, but Ganon can outspace it. His Dtilt range is longer than waft. You HAVE to approach to use it, especially since the shieldstun increase makes fart OOS harder to land, and Ganon can stuff Wario's approaches. Bike into Waft is countered by a Ganon Fsmash, which blows up the bike and sends Wario flying. Or he could Nair, which is even safer, covers jump-off, and does like 23 damage. In fact, Ganon's nair stuffs every single aerial approach Wario has, and it got buffed in the last patch, so it not only hits with both hits more often, it is also a kill move. This is why Wario is one of Ganon's best matchups: his best tool is the Waft, and Ganon has the tools to make Wario struggle to land one.