Which characters have you noticed throw others off?

[Aldri]

Hi there,

I love playing online. Playing against people is so much more fun than playing against the CPU, even if I do lose most of the time. But it's just neat to see people's reactions and the different ways they play.

One thing I've noticed, since I tend to switch characters a lot to keep things interesting for myself, is that certain characters really throw people off. They won't know how to approach or their playstyle will change drastically--usually for the worse--when they see certain characters.

I noticed it a lot with Duck Hunt Dog, especially vs Fox and Falco players. They try to shield his projectiles, which doesn't always work, and they suddenly become much less aggressive and very cautious.

Oddly enough, I've seen people not know how to deal with Dark Pit, either. They end up falling right into his juggling combos and don't know how to stay out of his range.

As for me, I am very leery of Shulks. I've never seen a really good one yet, but I don't know how to read his Monado's range, and always stay needlessly far out of the way when dodging. I'm also terrible at avoiding Charizard's Flare Blitz.

 

[Reila]

I can't do **** against Rosaluma, regardless of what character I am playing, but this seems to be a common problem with a lot of players.

I have trouble with Bowser too, with how powerful his moves are, he definitely shouldn't be that fast.

Anyways, friendly reminder: The name is Duck Hunt, not Duck Hunt Dog. Also, they are a team character, so the correct pronouns are they/them/their.

 

[SwoodGrommet]

always throws me off. I honestly don't know why; I just never know what to do :/

 

[RedBeanPorridge]

I kinda feel like all the newcomers throw the veterans off. With the new mechanics, it feels like sm4sh and its newcomers were suited for a whole other kind of playstyle. And it just makes the older characters feel very outdated :\
just my opinion though.

 

[Toon612Link]

Anyone who mirror matches my main... Its always a close one because I don't know how to fight myself.

 

[Deleted member]

Toon Link gives me some trouble. I predict one thing and they go and do another thing, especially when they throw a bunch of projectiles.
Rosalina also throws me off since I have no real idea on what to do other than to kill the Luma.

In general, characters that I haven't fought yet or rarely fight throw me off since I don't have any experience playing as them or fighting against them. As such, I don't know what they will do or what they are going to do.

 

[MarioFireRed]

That I'm using: Definitely Shulk and Mega Man. Those two throw people off unless I'm facing someone who also knows how to play those characters (which is unlikely since both aren't that common in my experiences)

That I'm against: Dedede. I faced this one back in my early days of having Sm4sh that just destroyed my Shulk. Also Duck Hunt with their projectiles, especially if the user can camp effectively.

 

[Luggy]

I can't do **** against Rosaluma, regardless of what character I am playing, but this seems to be a common problem with a lot of players.

Same here, I can't do crap to Rosaluma. At first I thought that she worked like the Ice Climbers, but "nope", it's like fighting two guys at the same time, with one that can't defend himself and respawn 10 seconds later after I killed it (it's literally how Luma is K.Oed : he just dies). So yeah, Rosalina, I don't know what to do to K.O her easily.
Other than Rosalina, I also have trouble facing Greninjas ( stupid ninja frog thing), especially good ones.

For some reason, Wario throw most people off, especially with the Wario Bike. They always try to dodge it (and usually fails at it) or counter it with Lil'Mac or any character that got a counter. And they keep running is the mouth of Wario for no reason.

 

[RedBeanPorridge]

Same here, I can't do crap to Rosaluma. At first I thought that she worked like the Ice Climbers, but "nope", it's like fighting two guys at the same time, with one that can't defend himself and respawn 10 seconds later after I killed it (it's literally how Luma is K.Oed : he just dies). So yeah, Rosalina, I don't know what to do to K.O her easily.

I honestly don't understand what the whole deal with Rosalina is. Whenever I hear things like "OMG ROSALINA IS BROKEN!" I'm sorry but I just can't seem to relate. And to me it never seems like I'm fighting to different people at once, just a pair of slightly more in depth Ice climbers to me.

I understand that Luma can eat most of your attacks which does get annoying, and projectiles aren't much use on the duo, being a jigglypuff player though, most of these problems never bothered me. Luma's pretty easy to take out, just a quick aerial to the face and he(or she) is done since Luma can't recover from a hit. Kinda sad to watch that Luma just fall to his/her inevitable doom, but I digress. Approaching Rosalina has never been an issue for me either.

 

[Luggy]

I honestly don't understand what the whole deal with Rosalina is. Whenever I hear things like "OMG ROSALINA IS BROKEN!" I'm sorry but I just can't seem to relate. And to me it never seems like I'm fighting to different people at once, just a pair of slightly more in depth Ice climbers to me.

I understand that Luma can eat most of your attacks which does get annoying, and projectiles aren't much use on the duo, being a jigglypuff player though, most of these problems never bothered me. Luma's pretty easy to take out, just a quick aerial to the face and he(or she) is done since Luma can't recover from a hit. Kinda sad to watch that Luma just fall to his/her inevitable doom, but I digress. Approaching Rosalina has never been an issue for me either.

I've never said Rosalina is broken, I just don't know how to deal with her. But I understand your point of view, it's clear that it's dumb to see people having issues with Rosalina while you know how to deal with her. Thanks for the tips by the way !

 

[RedBeanPorridge]

I've never said Rosalina is broken, I just don't know how to deal with her. But I understand your point of view, it's clear that it's dumb to see people having issues with Rosalina while you know how to deal with her. Thanks for the tips by the way !

I wasn't quoting you specifically I was just referencing the various gamefaqs thread titles I've seen in the past.

 

[Aliveidt]

Hey guys, first message here

Other than Rosaluma, with Charizard or Dedede I also don't stand a chance against a decent Ness. I just get trapped by PK-fire and comboed very easily. also, backthrow kills way too early for my taste

 

[ChikoLad]

Zero Suit Samus gives me the most trouble, but I've only tried Rosalina and Sonic against her. And I'm not too good with Sonic on 3DS anyway, and I haven't faced her enough to actually get practice in.

 

[☆Jazz☆]

Hey guys, first message here

Other than Rosaluma, with Charizard or Dedede I don't stand a chance against a decent Ness. I just get trapped by PK-fire and comboed very easily. also, backthrow kills way too early for my taste

Welcome!

@ ChikoLad I also have trouble with ZSS. The one who gives me the most trouble, however, is Olimar, especially when i'm playing as Zelda against him.

 

[Joshua Raybuck]

Practically every new character gives me hell as im still trying to recreate 64/melee but Duckhunt and the projectiles, along with Megaman and his projectiles and his Up smash.

 

[Nammy12]

Basically the characters that seems like no one uses such as Palutena. But don't forget about Rosalina. Can't deal with that Luma taking every single attack.

 

[Shorts]

I kinda feel like all the newcomers throw the veterans off. With the new mechanics, it feels like sm4sh and its newcomers were suited for a whole other kind of playstyle. And it just makes the older characters feel very outdated :\
just my opinion though.

There seems to have been a pretty big power creep for this last installment.

 

[ZeroJanitor]

I play Jigglypuff online, and it seems the majority of people I face don't know how to fight her.

For me, I really don't know what to do about Sonics.

 

[Wiley]

Everyone here who is having trouble with Rosa,
I suggest going into training and spending a decent chunk of time on getting the feel of her aerials, They are really quirky and long lasting hitboxes that become far easier to manage when you see them for what they are yourself. Which is totally different from anything I've felt so far in the series. I don't consider her a main, yet, but it's a nice first step to dealing with her in counterplay. And a proper understanding of these weird trajectory options she has will save you a lot of % in the long run.

secondly don't be afraid to knock Luma around when you are safe in spacing and not open to star bits or a smash. And when you do, don't rush her and spazz because you think she's now completely vulnerable and nows the time to take the stock, just keep your cool and be happy that for a time you have more options. At this point in Luma's rez count down, if you didn't waste the Lumaless time bum rushing into her dash attacks and juggles, you may have her on the edge. If Luma pops up now, it's often an easy gimp on him. just struggle through the windows she makes throughout the game. I know it's tough though, so GL all!

Just remember there are two targets and threats, not 1 and something in the way.

 

[MM720]

Usually online I start off with Greninja, then switch to Luigi. 90% of my opponents then suddenly have no idea what to do and I can easily destroy them (despite Luigi being meh).

Yoshi is also throwing people off. I've only seen 1 Yoshi player during my 150+ matches and said person confused me so much that I ended up being 2-stocked 2 matches in a row. Then again my opponent showed signs of skill so it's clear that he knew what he was doing.

 

[_Magus_]

I play Jiggs, then murder them with Ganondorf, then bowsercide with bowser on the last stock of the third game and leave the room.

 

[Bedoop]

Definitely Rosalina & Luma.
Duck Hunt Trio and the Koopa Klan (aka Bowser Junior) come close, but definitely Rosaluma.

 

[Mindles]

usually if my marth is beaten by a another spacing character, and the opponent is acting very cocky i tend to use fox very agressively against them which throws most off ...
King Dedede throws me off so much though i hate him ha

 

[GreenFlame]

I can't do **** against Rosaluma, regardless of what character I am playing, but this seems to be a common problem with a lot of players.

I have trouble with Bowser too, with how powerful his moves are, he definitely shouldn't be that fast.

Anyways, friendly reminder: The name is Duck Hunt, not Duck Hunt Dog. Also, they are a team character, so the correct pronouns are they/them/their.

In PAL regions - that is Europe including UK, and Australia - the character is known as Duck Hunt Duo. I don't know why America and Europe get different names for the character. Just like how many trophie descriptions are different on PAL versions from NTSC.


I agree with what you said about Rosalina, I just can't do anything. I instantly feel like it's always gonna be a tough match, because she is OP (or maybe not, I probably am still just unskilled).

 

[SwoodGrommet]

i tend to use fox very agressively against them which throws most off ...

This so much. Fox always throws me off...

 

[Gamingboy]

When Pikachu faces a true "heavyweight" character, I get thrown off. Mainly because the margin of error goes down significantly and I have to utilize the speed and evasion even more than usual.

On the other side, the fact that Pikachu IS able to recover from basically everything that isn't a instant-kill sometimes throws opponents off, since there aren't that many For Glory Pikachu players. A few times I've been able to recover because my opponent was too busy taunting thinking that they'd gotten the kill when they probably should have been finishing the job by trying to smash me while I was landing.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

It seems like people don't have much experience fighting the new Meta Knight. I've found a lot of people end up leaving themselves open for a Down-B kill because they're charging a Smash Attack/Special at the wrong time, likewise the opponent often leaves himself open to being killed off the top by an Up-B. It seems like they get confused by his Side-B being able to bounce off of the ground too, and they're never ready to punish a whiffed Tornado either.

Other than that you just don't roll into a Jigglypuff, you should know what's coming your way.

 

[warionumbah2]

Rosaluma - Seriously she has little to no trouble against most characters, i usually switch to Sonic and ZSS just to counter her even then its not a guarantee win.

Sonic- He's troublesome, especially when they mind **** you with dash dances(how they managed doing so on the 3ds baffles me) but when i use mac i find it easier to punish him and he's pretty easy to power shield. Sometimes.

Yoshi- A Yoshi player that mastered the art of egg lobbing, i take my hat off to you guys i can tell people work hard to master him and i can only counter those players by working hard to overcome it. Such a troublesome fellow.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I haven't really faced anyone that had utterly wrecked me, but I have had my share of problems against one japanese player using Shulk.

He does all the right moves at the right times. Kind of hard to keep up. And when he takes off my 1st stock, he'll go into Shield Art to stretch his stock out the most. It's a pretty good strategy I guess.

I can't get used to his range yet, but I'm almost there. It's that "monado stab.... then activate beam" fsmash that gets me everytime.

But I'm not complaining, we had great matches. :D But I didn't manage to win even once. Came pretty close most of the time, though.

 

[StaffofSmashing]

Little Macs that DONT just spam Dash Attack -> Fsmash Up

 

[Red5_snt]

Little Macs that DONT just spam Dash Attack -> Fsmash Up

I have yet to see one of these. I'm still convinced that they don't exist. LM doesn't throw me off, but I usually get a little pre-game butthurt at seeing someone randomly pick him after losing a bunch.

The only ones that I have no clue how to deal with are G&W (I just never get to play one so I can't even...), Good DH players, and Robin (I'm embarrassed by how many times I eat his dash attack).

 

[Lil Puddin]

Rosaluma is the undisputed queen+prince duo of "throwing people off." With Luma she has TWO hitboxes for all her A-attacks. Luma's hitbox is a decent size and is pretty big for such a strong sweetspot. It's hard to keep track of Luma since Rosalina's size blocks him or distracts you. Killing him isn't easy if Rosalina stays center stage... He respawns in about 15 seconds anyway.

Rosalina herself has Zelda sized smash hitboxes with half the delay. With Luma they're more like Bowser sized hitboxes. Lastly she has an incredible projectile/item gravitational field that she can keep up. She even uses the projectile(s) to keep attackers away.

On the plus side, she is still not as combo-fast or easy to use as Sheik or ZSS. She has a very large frame so you can see her coming from miles away. She is very light given her size, too. On top of that she has a very high skill ceiling, but getting to the halfway point is not too hard.

She is mildly balanced, unlike a few other dumbdicolous characters. Although if Luma took 30 seconds to respawn and Luma didn't act as a high HP shield... That would make her the pinnacle of fairness.

 

[KEWB]

Some of the newcomers threw me off when the game first came out. DHD especially, but also with Bowser Jr. and Little Mac. I don't have much of a problem with them anymore, but to this day I still have trouble against Rosalina, which, as others have mentioned, is pretty widely considered troublesome. I think a large part of that for me though is that I almost never see her online, which seems odd to me because she's widely regarded as one of the better characters.

As far as characters other than newcomers go, Sonic is awkward to fight and I've found that certain characters are really bad matchups against him. I didn't play too much of Brawl so I never had too much experience fighting against him. I've been getting better at dealing with his shenanigans though. Finally, and this is probably one that not a lot of people will agree with, but for some reason to this day I sometimes have trouble playing against Link. Obviously it's not matchup inexperience because my brother has almost exclusively used Link ever since the N64 days. There are some that I come across online that aren't too difficult to deal with but it seems like the majority of the time for some reason that matchup still gives me trouble after all these years.

 

[Lil Puddin]

I don't have much of a problem with them anymore, but to this day I still have trouble against Rosalina, which, as others have mentioned, is pretty widely considered troublesome. I think a large part of that for me though is that I almost never see her online, which seems odd to me because she's widely regarded as one of the better characters.

She is rarely seen online since people would rather play as easy to use characters to secure equally easy wins.

This includes(I may miss some):
Mario
Clone Mario/Not Luigi
Sonic
Zero Delay Samus
Sheik
Little InstantKO
Link
Unibomber Jr
Samus
Greninja
Captain Delayless

When used extremely defensively and only exclusively attacking to punish, they require the least skill to win with. That's not to say that they are impossible to beat, however, they are rarely worth the effort to beat. You WILL play 3-5 minutes against players who use those characters if they know what they are sorta doing. But in their defense... Anyone who stays passive aggressive is not too easy to beat, depending on your character. Ex: Zelda can't chase for ****, so beating her is hilariously easy if you choose to not fight in this fighting game.

So why isn't Rosaluma on that list? Easy. She NEEDS Luma to camp and she HATES pressure. The other mentioned characters can take your pressuring assault and throw it back in your face without trying too hard. Especially with COOOOUNTER! Except for Palutena's god awful counter.