Where Should I Counterpick These Characters?

[CR4SH]

I've been playing ZSS as a luigi secondary for about 3 weeks. It works out to about 3 days, given my ridiculously busy schedule (I literally have about 15 minutes a day to myself). But those 3 days are full of excellent compeition (I only really ever play at tournaments). So I have a general grasp of ZSS and what to do with her.

What I'm hoping to hear from you is a general What/Why counterpick stage list for the following characters.
D3
MK
GW
Marth
ROB (to a much lesser extent)

The stages I'm overall most comfortable on are the metroid stages. They're beautiful luigi counterpicks. So if any of those would make good counterpicks, they would be perfect. The only CP I've gotten fairly confident with so far is MK on Pirate ship (it's legal in the MW).

Any general "things your run of the mill ZSS doesn't know" tips would also be fantastic. If you want to know anything about luigi let me know =P.

 

[noradseven]

Haha I read your sig first I was like must be a luigi main, and yell Shin Shoryuken its more accurate.

D3,G&W: rainbow cruise
Marth: Final D
Rob:Don't really know.
MK: His good stages = your good stages, no joke it really doesn't matter much at least in my exp, just ban that brinstar level without an edge here.


Also you can yell flash kick every time you do ZSS's up air.

Also screw all those people naming the Up B combos, I still call them Cutting Synch Resets, because it sounds cool and I played Melty Blood.

Ban Yoshi's Island for the rest.

 

[DeliciousCake]

Also screw all those people naming the Up B combos, I still call them Cutting Synch Resets, because it sounds cool and I played Melty Blood.

Which Up-B combos are these?

 

[noradseven]

Which Up-B combos are these?

The ones the randomly work for no reason once in a blue moon because the opponent is stupid, plus that is why its resets more or less.



On a serious note if a person gets hit by the spiking up B when you are on the ground or about to land on the ground u-tilt is pretty much a combo, if it can come out fast enough, because either A, they can't do anything before teching and they get hit by it, or you time it so even if they dodge they get hit on the time when they are hitting the ground, this point is moot however if they know that some people can hit us out of it, but I have only seen 2 people do this so far and I pretty much told one of them about it so they would stop whining about a situation that rarely occurs.

 

[DeliciousCake]

I do Plasma Wire to u-tilt on occasion.

 

[noradseven]

I do Plasma Wire to u-tilt on occasion.

I just do it to screw with people and for baiting the characters with longer dodges to dodge for free air punish yay! , at least most the time.

But what are your opinions cake on these stages since I kinda hate the concept of counter picking I am probably not the best.

 

[TheRockSays]

Dude i have learned this hard way i'm going to tell you how to counter pick all these characters with some explanations.

D3:Abuse on lylat try to gimp and stage spike him alot hes very heavy if you get in close use dtilt to Uairs or Fair.

MK:This is really a problem for most players in general,Counter pick on halberd Stunning under stages or platforms is a plus with ZSS Even though i think alot of luigi's can play MK to some decent lv.

GW:The best stage to counter pick this black man, is by picking stages that have obstacles that your opponent won't be able to keep spamming the same bair,Try Pokemon Stadium from melee lots of terrain.

Marth: This is really a character i have trouble with i would suggest you counter pick lylat it would keep him unbalanced.

ROB: i would Counter pick ROB in BF well i do Counter pick this stage for alot of tall Characters to Stun Through platforms its a very cheap tactic but it works,plus escape routes from R.O.B spamming power.

I hope i was helpful Beware of Sonic pro players!

 

[noradseven]

Dude i have learned this hard way i'm going to tell you how to counter pick all these characters with some explanations.

D3:Abuse on lylat try to gimp and stage spike him alot hes very heavy if you get in close use dtilt to Uairs or Fair.

MK:This is really a problem for most players in general,Counter pick on halberd Stunning under stages or platforms is a plus with ZSS Even though i think alot of luigi's can play MK to some decent lv.

GW:The best stage to counter pick this black man, is by picking stages that have obstacles that your opponent won't be able to keep spamming the same bair,Try Pokemon Stadium from melee lots of terrain.

Marth: This is really a character i have trouble with i would suggest you counter pick lylat it would keep him unbalanced.

ROB: i would Counter pick ROB in BF well i do Counter pick this stage for alot of tall Characters to Stun Through platforms its a very cheap tactic but it works,plus escape routes from R.O.B spamming power.

I hope i was helpful Beware of Sonic pro players!

Heh forgot that Halberd was a legal stage.

Rob on battle field interesting choice, I prefer very open stages against ROB.

Lyata cruise with marth O_o, normally marth players do well on that stage or maybe its just me and my friends marth.

 

[CR4SH]

Yeah the marths I know would love for me to take them to lylat. But this is all very good advice, I appreciate it!

Haha I read your sig first I was like must be a luigi main, and yell Shin Shoryuken its more accurate.

More like shoryureppa! Or shinryuken, either one. Luigi=Ken. Mario=Ryu

 

[ph00tbag]

For ROB go to Norfair or Brinstar. No Joke. ROB gets destroyed on those stages. His gyro bounces indefinitely on the lava, and the platforms make it stupidly easy to get below him and be safe. Both stages also have nifty tricks for ZSS involving the platform layouts and ledge camping.

Norad got the other ones right, IMO.

 

[canthandletheSpeculosity]

I would go lylat against D3 and MK

 

[CR4SH]

So what I'm getting out of this is as follows.

Lylat= Great ZSS stage.
RC= Great luigi counter counterpick.
FD= Lol marth.
Pirate ship= Where I'm taking MK.

That works just fine for me.

 

[TheRockSays]

FD is a no no against marth people focus on his Fair alot you want to bring unbalance to the table or you can counter pick RC on them it requires alot more concentration on there part. Trust me my favorite stage is FD and Marth gets and advantage here.

 

[canthandletheSpeculosity]

BF is a good stage against Marth. The more platforms the better.

Lylat is generally a great stage as ZSS since it's easier to juggle opponents and dsmash people on the edge. And it has a high ceiling so you can live a little longer from vertical kills.

 

[Kaitou Ace]

BF is a good stage against Marth. The more platforms the better.

I disagree, Marth utilizes the spacing of the platforms and their general height a lot better than we do. While we can annoy them with Up+B and hyphen smashing, they're usually the ones that will be grounded and us in the air, trying to avoid his hax range Usmash and utilt. Plus your suit pieces will have a short span on BF and that's the best way to rack up damage on Marth.

 

[canthandletheSpeculosity]

I dont recommend using the pieces extensively for marth at all, he's really good at stopping them with fair. not to mention his glide toss.

 

[ph00tbag]

Spec's right about the suit pieces. Against Marth, it's probably best just to get rid of the ones you can. But Battlefield isn't so great against Marth. Marth's range gets him all sorts of advantages on that stage. Really, most stages will probably be even or in Marth's advantage. Pokemon Stadium 1 might be good, but it's banned at a lot of tournaments.

 

[CR4SH]

I'm in the midwest so semi-banned stages are generally not banned here. Most tournaments I go to, you can take people to pirate ship and distant planet (sometimes even onett lol). I can't however, imagine taking marth to BF as a counterpick, it's like trying to fight a shark in the ocean.

 

[noradseven]

playing marth on BF is better than playing him on Yoshi's :D, but I prefer FD for marth, but you gotta play cheap if you want to play agressive play Rainbow cruise, but often times I am jerk and pick Sheik because Sheik dominates his f-air, heh broken hit box on god hand, hits so far above you, plus very few marths know that match. I wonder what the Sheik boards think about that match.

 

[xxpatgxx]

ps1 is probably one of the best counterpicks for ZSS, as it allows you to space well with charged bs, as well as her forwar b.

 

[noradseven]

ps1 is probably one of the best counterpicks for ZSS, as it allows you to space well with charged bs, as well as her forwar b.

That and because we are tether uses we don't mind its ledge.

But yeah this is normally one of my bread and butter counter picks.