when you lose to dumb stuff

[outfoxd]

Does anyone feel like they're doing a disservice to the community when they lose to something dumb, like spam, or roll spam?

I can complain about it and feel better, but when I get down to it I feel like I'm not helping someone get better because I couldn't show then that what they're doing is wrong. And I can't tell them, "someone better than me would step on you". Should we worry, or are such players lost causes anyway?

 

[Talazala]

Don't sweat it. It's not your job to "teach your opponent a lesson." Play for yourself and play to get better!

 

[Sean²]

You are probably like me, getting so used to fighting against the "best" way to play a character that you have adapted your playstyle to react to that kind of play.

Usually after a match or two I learn their bad habits and punish accordingly. Just need to get this to happen all the time.

 

[GhostUrsa]

You are probably like me, getting so used to fighting against the "best" way to play a character that you have adapted your playstyle to react to that kind of play.

Usually after a match or two I learn their bad habits and punish accordingly. Just need to get this to happen all the time.

The same is with me. Strangely enough, I have the most trouble with bad Little Mac players. I've so used to trumping the good ones, that when I get ones that are bad it throws me off.

What I've been trying to do when I find a new opponent is to spend maybe the first minute of the match playing slightly on the defensive side. I'll have my opponent show me what they've got so I can get an initial impression of their fighting style. I've heard that good boxers will do this at times, and it makes sense to do so. Hell, after watching a few fights from Apex and other tourneys I'm fairly certain this is what our pros do since the first fight is sometimes more lackluster compared to the 2nd or 3rd match. Are they overly aggressive? Do they favor grabs at close range? Do they play completely defensive themselves? What happens when I poke their shield? It may not seem exciting, but since it's a random opponent you only have the 5 minutes to get to know them so forcing them to make your acquaintance isn't a bad thing.

After a little bit, I can start figuring out my punishes accordingly. The hardest part for me is to keep patient, as the matches always take a while when your opponent is an abuser of simple tactics. (Or it is when you play a slower character, like I do.)

 

[Sean²]

The same is with me. Strangely enough, I have the most trouble with bad Little Mac players. I've so used to trumping the good ones, that when I get ones that are bad it throws me off.

What I've been trying to do when I find a new opponent is to spend maybe the first minute of the match playing slightly on the defensive side. I'll have my opponent show me what they've got so I can get an initial impression of their fighting style. I've heard that good boxers will do this at times, and it makes sense to do so. Hell, after watching a few fights from Apex and other tourneys I'm fairly certain this is what our pros do since the first fight is sometimes more lackluster compared to the 2nd or 3rd match. Are they overly aggressive? Do they favor grabs at close range? Do they play completely defensive themselves? What happens when I poke their shield? It may not seem exciting, but since it's a random opponent you only have the 5 minutes to get to know them so forcing them to make your acquaintance isn't a bad thing.

After a little bit, I can start figuring out my punishes accordingly. The hardest part for me is to keep patient, as the matches always take a while when your opponent is an abuser of simple tactics. (Or it is when you play a slower character, like I do.)

It's moving between the mindset of RUN - CRAZY COMBO - AUTOPILOT - KO and actually thinking about what the opponent is doing and learning their habits.

I used to have the WORST time against Little Mac - King of Lag. Now I exude the most patience I've ever had in this series while fighting Little Mac because I know what he can do. Now 2-stocking bad Little Macs is simple. Good LMs...thanks but no thanks. That will be the slowest game ever.

 

[outfoxd]

It's moving between the mindset of RUN - CRAZY COMBO - AUTOPILOT - KO and actually thinking about what the opponent is doing and learning their habits.

I used to have the WORST time against Little Mac - King of Lag. Now I exude the most patience I've ever had in this series while fighting Little Mac because I know what he can do. Now 2-stocking bad Little Macs is simple. Good LMs...thanks but no thanks. That will be the slowest game ever.

I had amazing sets with a good LM I know recently. Man taught me something about how many unsafe aerials I throw out. Really helped my game.

 

[visvim]

I can see where you're coming from, OP. If it ever happens, for me it's like, "this man is going to leave now thinking he's good." No worries, though - there will always be someone out there that will succeed in bopping them where you failed.

 

[GSM_Dren]

It's not your job to be a teacher, but I see what you mean. Firstly you should be playing to improve first and then teach second. It is pretty nice to see an opponent learning from his mistakes for the next game, but if they leave without learning, that's on them.

 

[Sean²]

I can see where you're coming from, OP. If it ever happens, for me it's like, "this man is going to leave now thinking he's good." No worries, though - there will always be someone out there that will succeed in bopping them where you failed.

I come up with this excuse when I lose to less than pristine techniques. "I'm letting them think they are good, so one day they will enter a tournament and lose because they're trying the techniques that worked on me that one time..."

 

[dahuterschuter]

Dude I swear sometimes I run across people in For Glory that I lose to and I don't know whether they were amazing, or so bad that they are completely unreadable. Like they'll just play so simply and it seems like they're just doing everything at random, but then it works, and it's baffling, because it seems like they're beginners. I dunno bruh. Sometimes dumb things just work.

 

[GhostUrsa]

Dude I swear sometimes I run across people in For Glory that I lose to and I don't know whether they were amazing, or so bad that they are completely unreadable. Like they'll just play so simply and it seems like they're just doing everything at random, but then it works, and it's baffling, because it seems like they're beginners. I dunno bruh. Sometimes dumb things just work.

The term 'beginner's luck' comes to mind, which isn't really luck at all. They get the win because they aren't familiar with the game's engine yet and so will attempt whatever they can think of to win. This in turn makes them unpredictable to a veteran because there is no pattern to look for. The best warriors (I say this because it probably applies to physical combative sports as well) try to attain such a state (The ability to think outside the box) and still have a tight understanding of engine to temper such reasoning.

I don't know whether your opponents are that good or just that new, but it's a phenomenon that I've noticed in many competitive games throughout the years that has always been rather fascinating to witness.

 

[outfoxd]

The term 'beginner's luck' comes to mind, which isn't really luck at all. They get the win because they aren't familiar with the game's engine yet and so will attempt whatever they can think of to win. This in turn makes them unpredictable to a veteran because there is no pattern to look for. The best warriors (I say this because it probably applies to physical combative sports as well) try to attain such a state (The ability to think outside the box) and still have a tight understanding of engine to temper such reasoning.

I don't know whether your opponents are that good or just that new, but it's a phenomenon that I've noticed in many competitive games throughout the years that has always been rather fascinating to witness.

Like fighting Eddy Gordos mashing when you're not ready.

 

[Sean²]

The term 'beginner's luck' comes to mind, which isn't really luck at all. They get the win because they aren't familiar with the game's engine yet and so will attempt whatever they can think of to win. This in turn makes them unpredictable to a veteran because there is no pattern to look for. The best warriors (I say this because it probably applies to physical combative sports as well) try to attain such a state (The ability to think outside the box) and still have a tight understanding of engine to temper such reasoning.

I don't know whether your opponents are that good or just that new, but it's a phenomenon that I've noticed in many competitive games throughout the years that has always been rather fascinating to witness.

In smash, though, how they react to your own attacks and how they recover will differentiate the beginners from the ridiculously advanced.

It's like drunken style kung-fu versus being legitimately drunk.

 

[GhostUrsa]

In smash, though, how they react to your own attacks and how they recover will differentiate the beginners from the ridiculously advanced.

It's like drunken style kung-fu versus being legitimately drunk.

I never said they'd continue to win. But winning the first match or two against a vet is possible with this. After that, the vet catches on and starts pwning for the exact reason you mention.

 

[SphericalCrusher]

Not really, I just get upset with myself... nothing else. I've been running up against a ton of counter-spammers lately which are annoying. Especially when that is literally all they do (as in they don't attack, ever.). I sat still for 3 minutes once and they never moved... I still won though.