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What's with all the ungrateful people?

fouxs2

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"Brawl's roster SUCKS!"

Wait what? You mean that a game with Sonic, Snake, Olimar, Pokemon Trainer, Lucas, Dedede, Meta Knight, Pit, Peach, Mario, Luigi, Captain Falcon, Zelda, Sheik, Lucario, Ness, Ganondorf, Jigglypuff, DK, Diddy, Fox... (you get the point) is... Disappointing?

A roster in which characrs with completely new ways to play (Olimar, PT, Wario) are introduced, old characters with new better moves to make up for the bad ones they have (Kirby's dash attacks much?), buffed characters that can now be used (Bowser for most players) and overpowered attacks being powered down to be fair (Peach's down smash is one) sucks!?

I think that you aren't disappointed in the roster, but in the way it was shown, if we got Olimar, Meta Knight and some of the other cool newcomer starters as unlockables your opinions would change A LOT. I bet on that even.

The roster have nothing wrong with it, YOUR high expectations for characters that were OBVIOUSLY not going to be playable that made it SUCK FOR YOU. I'm tired of people saying the roster sucks as if it really does, it sucks for YOU because of you.
 

funnyfaceju

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right on dude. i made a post really similar to what you said. i agree 100 percent and we are probably the only two satisfied with the roster
 

Chaosblade77

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People are overreacting about the roster, but it's not all because "my favorite character didn't get in, I am not buying Brawl now."

Some of it is just based off poor character choices and franchise representation. Why does an unpopular franchise with only five games have more representation than a highly popular franchise with 8+ games? Why does Mother, a series that only had three games (only one released outside Japan) that will never get another game to it's name, get two characters. The same amount as Fire Emblem, a continuously growing and quite popular franchise that has ten games to it's name.

There is also the fact that clones have returned, eg. Ganondorf is still a Falcon clone, Toon Link is a Link clone, Falco is a Fox clone, Ness is a Lucas clone.

Some people had ridiculously high expectations, but to expect this roster all along? That was incredibly low expectations considering what was mentioned on the poll and in Sakurai's journal, as well as all the media hype the game is getting.
 

Bozen

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No I am very satisfied as well. I can't wait to play as Olimar, PT, and Pit. Plus Many of my old favorites return such as Marth, Jigglypuff, and Samus. Sure I would have liked to see Banjo Kazooie or some other characters like that but as far as I'm concerned I have hours upon hours of fun to be had with this roster so I am completely happy with it.
 

DMAJohnson

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He's not giving us the game for free, so why am I being forced to like a roster that I don't care for? The game only added reps for two new franchises, yet saw fit to give us new clones for series that already have them (y haldo thar ness/lucas). I play for the characters, and the roster isn't much of an improvement over Melee. Sorry. I just don't like it, and I don't see why I can't talk about not liking it just because it makes someone else upset over nothing...
 

fouxs2

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The roster isn't the game, as far as the game goes, it's worth double what Melee was. A sfar the the roster goes, I'd say double as well. You got a BUNCH of new characters, 14 actually (more I believe). You're paying what it's worth, and it's worth a lot. The only clones we really got were already clones in Melee (Lucario is NOT a Mewtwo clone, he merely took his place) and even so we're not sure Sakurai didn't luigify the old clones up.
 

Grandeza

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I so agree. I love this roster. It looks like so much fun to play as R.O.B. I agreed with the 35 character theory from the start.
 

funnyfaceju

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"There is also the fact that clones have returned, eg. Ganondorf is still a Falcon clone, Toon Link is a Link clone, Falco is a Fox clone, Ness is a Lucas clone." from choasblade

um how do you guys know their clones. do you have the game. even if u see footage u cant say nothin until u play the game
 

Bozen

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The game only added reps for two new franchises
Try 4... Sonic, Snake, Olimar, Pit....

Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion but you have to remember they can only make the game so big and they only have so much time. They aren't going to make everyone happy and it just isn't possible to add all the characters that people want. As I said in my first post I wish some other characters were added, but beggers can't be choosers. Take it or leave it end of story don't like it stop complaining and don't buy the game.

EDIT: Messed up quote.
 

funnyfaceju

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"There is also the fact that clones have returned, eg. Ganondorf is still a Falcon clone, Toon Link is a Link clone, Falco is a Fox clone, Ness is a Lucas clone." from choasblade

um how do you guys know their clones. do you have the game. even if u see footage u cant say nothin until u play the game
 

SinisterLizard

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I think people are underreacting. Yeah, Sakurai put in all the of the NO-BRAINERS...oh wait...he actually forgot some of those. Sorry, that's why we complain. Besides, 35 is small.
 

The Kirby Kong

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"Brawl's roster SUCKS!"

Wait what? You mean that a game with Sonic, Snake, Olimar, Pokemon Trainer, Lucas, Dedede, Meta Knight, Pit, Peach, Mario, Luigi, Captain Falcon, Zelda, Sheik, Lucario, Ness, Ganondorf, Jigglypuff, DK, Diddy, Fox... (you get the point) is... Disappointing?

A roster in which characrs with completely new ways to play (Olimar, PT, Wario) are introduced, old characters with new better moves to make up for the bad ones they have (Kirby's dash attacks much?), buffed characters that can now be used (Bowser for most players) and overpowered attacks being powered down to be fair (Peach's down smash is one) sucks!?

I think that you aren't disappointed in the roster, but in the way it was shown, if we got Olimar, Meta Knight and some of the other cool newcomer starters as unlockables your opinions would change A LOT. I bet on that even.

The roster have nothing wrong with it, YOUR high expectations for characters that were OBVIOUSLY not going to be playable that made it SUCK FOR YOU. I'm tired of people saying the roster sucks as if it really does, it sucks for YOU because of you.
Yes and no.

It is our fault to expect so much more.

But it's Sakurai's fault for overhyping it, giving us the impression that there is so much more.
Also, you're right that if Meta-Knight, DeDeDe, Olimar, etc were unlockables, we would've been happy. But that's Sakurai's fault for showing SO MANY starters. Showing many starters = expect many unlockables.

Still, this is just a really poor job, only 10 more characters than Melee, even though Brawl has had TRIPLE the development time, with a MUCH bigger team. Have they only been picking their noses or something?

I'm still going to enjoy the game, but I'm very disappointed by this, and it might mean that I won't buy Nintendo consoles in the future.
 

DMAJohnson

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Try 4... Sonic, Snake, Olimar, Pit....
Sonic and Snake aren't Nintendo franchises.

EDIT: Messed up quote.
Are you kidding? Consider how slow the forums are today thanks to the onslaught of people trying to catch on to the leaks, it's amazing that we can even post at this point, let alone make the quote tags work correctly. XD

Honestly, my biggest gripe with this roster? Wolf. Hands down. I have a problem with ROB and "Toon Link" as well, but I still don't see why we need Falco AND Wolf. If they replaced Wolf without just about ANYONE I'd still be a little upset and very dissappointed, but it'd still be a world better. Ugh--How I pray for Wolf to be deconfirmed with someone else. I'd almost take Viewtiful Joe at this point. D:
 

LightLink17

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I've stayed out of these ramblings for some time now. Now I'm tired of it. I'm tired of everybody complaining, especially the ones complaining about how some of us shouldn't complain! Well I'm sorry, but now it's my turn to complain, and I'll do it without resorting to "u" and mixing up "Their, They're and There" and other spelling atrocities that I've had to witness so far.

I can complain. I have a right. I can be disappointed. And I am. This roster is pathetic. It's not what I expected, and I didn't really have any "big" expectations. I had wants, and while I wanted them of course, it's not too big a deal if they didn't make it (which none of them did). However, I'm to be satisfied with 35 characters? Obviously not, since I'm not. And, I'm to be satisfied with this absolutely disgusting franchise distribution? As if I care about both Lucas and Ness, when they seem to be the same **** things. It's so great to have three Star Fox characters when nobody really likes that franchise. I just love the lack of new Samus reps. Hopefully there will be solace in the ability to start out as ZSS. Then arguably that's another rep, sort of. F-Zero has a million games, it's fairly popular...why do we get only one rep again? At least it's Captain Falcon. And then we have the greatness to *loose* a Mario rep. Wonderful.

And I don't want to hear this "we have more playable movesets!" nonsense. As if I care. People don't play "movesets" they play characters.

Further, these delays. All these delays and I get this? Surely online things could have been taken care of without a delay, if we cut out things like, oh, I don't know...stickers? It's not like Everybody Just Loves Stickers. Sure, SSE is long and fun looking...but Smash Brothers has always been a multiplayer game. Not a single player. So much stuff have been done with Single Player mode in Brawl, it's obvious it cut into designing of Multiplayer Aspects.

And you ask some questions.

Wait what? You mean that a game with Sonic, Snake, Olimar, Pokemon Trainer, Lucas, Dedede, Meta Knight, Pit, Peach, Mario, Luigi, Captain Falcon, Zelda, Sheik, Lucario, Ness, Ganondorf, Jigglypuff, DK, Diddy, Fox... (you get the point) is... Disappointing?
Let's see:

Sonic - One of the few uplifting things about this roster.

Snake - What do I care? I never wanted him. Never was excited for him. Don't care.

Pokemon Trainer - Nope, don't care.

Lucas - I outright dislike this character. Being so similar to Ness and having his own worthless spot.

Dedede - I dislike this character too.

Meta Knight - Blah.

Pit - Don't care.

Peach - What's so exciting about Peach? What's exciting about Luigi, Mario, Captain Falcon,
Zelda, Ness, Ganondorf, Jigglypuff, or Fox? We've had them before. Why should I expect less, when all of these are instrumental to their franchises, or important in some other way?
Speaking of other's though:

Lucario - I hate this looser. Probably my most hated Pokemon, right next to Bidoof and Bibarel. Why the heck would I be glad this guy is in?

Diddy - I hate this character too. All my friends hate him as well. The confirmation of Diddy Kong stands as one of my, and my friend's most hated dojo updates, up there with "You Must Recover!" Banana Peel, and Bumper.

A roster in which characrs with completely new ways to play (Olimar, PT, Wario) are introduced, old characters with new better moves to make up for the bad ones they have (Kirby's dash attacks much?), buffed characters that can now be used (Bowser for most players) and overpowered attacks being powered down to be fair (Peach's down smash is one) sucks!?
Yes. "Completely new ways to play" are not inherent in characters. And tell me, what sort of new way to play does Wario bring us? Pokemon Trainer (as far as any of us has seen) is just Zelda/Shiek with three instead of two. That's not new.

I think that you aren't disappointed in the roster, but in the way it was shown, if we got Olimar, Meta Knight and some of the other cool newcomer starters as unlockables your opinions would change A LOT. I bet on that even.
Maybe. Slightly. Not much though. I don't care about Olimar, or those "other cool" newcomers. But it's not really that, no. It's the fact that regardless of how we learn of them, the franchise distribution seems stupid.

The roster have nothing wrong with it, YOUR high expectations for characters that were OBVIOUSLY not going to be playable that made it SUCK FOR YOU. I'm tired of people saying the roster sucks as if it really does, it sucks for YOU because of you.
"I'm tired of people saying this roster is good as if it really is, it's good for YOU because of you."

Oh yeah, that works doesn't it.

No, an argument can be made that this roster really is "Bad" but so can it be that it is "Good." I don't know if it is good or not, and I don't care. I have my biases and I don't feel a need to change them. This roster is terrible to me, and since I'm my, what do I care about how you feel about it? And since I am allowed my biases, what do I care what it really is, so long as I don't say it is what it is not?

For the record, everything is my opinion. Obviously, I just said I don't care about the "truth" of the matter because I'm allowed my biases. If you feel differently, good for you. Just don't shove it down my throat that you're right unless you're about to prove it. And good luck with that.

Man, no wonder people complain. It certainly gets things off one's chest.
 

kilroy

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the roster rocks. the game is unprecedented.

people are greedy and self-centered and need to get their heads out of their self-righteous butts. ;)

remember and appreciate that fact that you will get to participate in gaming history.

did i get everything i wanted? of course not.

had the roster ALREADY exceeded my expectations say, oh, six times over? yes, it certainly had.

here's to some 8 years of Brawl with an enviable roster of top-tier names from top-notch franchises!
 

PwnyRide

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161 characters in Dragonball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3?

What do I win? :laugh:
Dragonball Z and Super Smash should't be used in the same sentence, let alone compared.
Tenkaichiwhatsit and Brawl arent in the same series. Anything in Brawl is an improvement from Melee, there should no reason for people to complain about the game so profusely.
 

cochiseSMASH

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Ungrateful? Last I checked I'm still paying money for this game.

I don't understand why a faction stands up for a game that isn't as good as it could be. If there were going to be clones, there should be more. If he wanted more individualized characters without clones, there should be thirty-nine unique movesets for the thirty-five characters.

But to have thirty-five characters with clones? To bring back some Melee clones but leave others out? How the hell does that make sense?
 

mista_mista

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Sakurai himself said there would be "more characters than you can imagine." I could definitely imagine over 35 and that's without clones.
 

Unknownlight

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right on dude. i made a post really similar to what you said. i agree 100 percent and we are probably the only two satisfied with the roster
Actually, I'm also one of the few people who likes this roster. Yes, I like the roster. It's somewhat hard for me to see why others hate it (except for there only being two third-parties, I'm disappointed with that).
 

Camera_Guy

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I don't know! I AM LOST!
People are just being babies. We all had fun with 12 char in the first game. 35 is not bad. And who cares if people don't like G&W and Robot, they don't have to play as them. Even in story mode, everyone is on teams, if they are usable at the time use their partner instead. It's amazing people can say Brawl is ruined just from a character, especially with stuff like in-depth story mode, co-op, collectable stickers that can power up characters, the amount of stage, New and old, all the great music, the option to set the music you want to a stage, stage builder, events, co-op events, target mode, versus, being able to set your own rules, the sheer amount of famous characters in one game (Sonic, Snake, etc.), collectable trophies, recording your matches or target speed-run, Home-run mode and it's co-op, Multi-man brawl (co-op, 100, infinite, or timed). Tell me if I forgot some things, we all know there is more.

And people say that one or two characters ruins Brawl, people even go so far as to say "I won't buy it now because this is in." Those people are being babies, if they want to miss out then fine, their lose, literally.
 

PwnyRide

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People are just being babies. We all had fun with 12 char in the first game. 35 is not bad. And who cares if people don't like G&W and Robot, they don't have to play as them. Even in story mode, everyone is on teams, if they are usable at the time use their partner instead. It's amazing people can say Brawl is ruined just from a character, especially with stuff like in-depth story mode, co-op, collectable stickers that can power up characters, the amount of stage, New and old, all the great music, the option to set the music you want to a stage, stage builder, events, co-op events, target mode, versus, being able to set your own rules, the sheer amount of famous characters in one game (Sonic, Snake, etc.), collectable trophies, recording your matches or target speed-run, Home-run mode and it's co-op, Multi-man brawl (co-op, 100, infinite, or timed). Tell me if I forgot some things, we all know there is more.

And people say that one or two characters ruins Brawl, people even go so far as to say "I won't buy it now because this is in." Those people are being babies, if they want to miss out then fine, their lose, literally.
Not to mention custom control schemes :)
 

DarkFalcon025

Smash Rookie
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jebus...just play the game first, people. Man, you guys are really ungrateful folks. In time, you'll all be loving it, keep your judgements in check until you throughly played the game and tried out all the characters. In this day and age of the internet and information, it would be pretty difficult to hide all the hidden characters anyway, so you shouldn't expect too many hidden goodies anyway right when a game's released due to everyone spilling the goods on the internet anyway.

Personally, I don't know why all these people ask for Ridley to be in Brawl as a playable character. He's far too large compared to even Bowser, he'd have quite an advantage in size, which in turn, very high percentages before you could smash him out of the arena. His wings should allow him to fly anywhere, without falling after a number of jumps, just like in his appearance in the Metroid games. His inclusion as a boss character in SSE is perfect. At least we have that!
 
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