What's up with down+B... or the lack there-of

[Divine Seraphim]

Marth's Parry, alright, I know there's a fine line between using it and abusing it, however after watching many professional Marth videos I have only seen it used once...

Is the lag on it so horrible that unless you're 99% sure they're going to fall for it it's not worth using?

Anyone care to elaborate as to why pro's/advanced players don't use this technique much, if at all?

TY in advance.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Because there are FAR better options 99% of the time.

Against falco, due to the natural of his laser approach, the counter is a good thing to use at times. Such as a predictable non sweetspotting up-b spamming link..but in high level play, its uses are limited depending on the matchup due to how bad it can be punished. Against falco, you're going to be lasered at either way so its use is improved there.

And please, theres a Question and Answer thread for short questions like this.

 

[Velox]

It's a pretty good move. I use it all the time.


Don't ever limit yourself to only what you see the pros do.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

It has its uses but its usually outdone by better options at the point at time, the once a blue moon counter is good but to use it regularly..you'd need to be fighting falco that spams lasers or else I wouldn't see it working..as if you can predict your opponent that well, you could be doing better.

 

[ylink_underestimted]

well pros usually go for straight kill after some combos right? i dont think that wen ive used Marth, the counter never set me up to anything...

EDIT: if it does however set up to things, someone tell me, i would like to know. im sure it would help Divine Seraphum

 

[$ick]

It's a pretty good move. I use it all the time.


Don't ever limit yourself to only what you see the pros do.

Lol.

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[thebluedeath1000]

Y-link. The counter has limited uses but does work well in certain situations. A falco that approaches carelessly with lasers can be countered, thus ending his approach and pushing him back.

A link or young link that doesn't sweetspot well can be countered due to their up-b hitting over the edge and their head popping up.

I've seen some people counter fox's recovery and whatnot but theres better options such as f-smashing..I can see the use of it against links and young links as getting an f-smash can be hard if they come directly from below as their up-b might nick you.

Theres points where its a great surprise attack, but those should be few and far between. Being countered usually startles an opponent for a moment, due to them expecting something else.

 

[ylink_underestimted]

hmm. i never thought of it as a mindgame, i guess cuz every time its used on me i dont get too shocked...
yea i have used it sometimes for edgeguard, but someone experienced enough could tech out of it right? (tapping Up at the right time to wall tech). im not really sure about that tho, but ive seen pros do it (Bombsoldier used it against Kaito once to cancel Falco's Dair). if the counter was predicted, then someone might end up doing it. but thats a little thing i came up with, i could be way off.

 

[capncone]

I've seen some people counter fox's recovery and whatnot but theres better options such as f-smashing..

You can use it when you're not spaced well enough for an f-smash. For instance, on FD if you get stuck on the edge, the flame will hit below you and you can parry.

I apologize if this makes no sense, it's 4:06 and I am very tired and should go to sleep.

 

[Imperial Wraith]

Think of it this way. If you absolutely know an attack is coming, why would you counter it for moderate dmg and knockback, when you could (as you know the attack is coming) do something else? I only use counters when guys are getting really agressive (It can force them to change playstyles) or for edgeguarding spacies.

 

[FrostByte]

You can use it when you're not spaced well enough for an f-smash. For instance, on FD if you get stuck on the edge, the flame will hit below you and you can parry.

I apologize if this makes no sense, it's 4:06 and I am very tired and should go to sleep.

It is actually better than the Fsmash in some cases. The Fsmash will put fox above the stage, where fox has 3/4 options (Ffox to Stage, Ffox to ledge, illusion and short illusion). The counter puts him below the stage which cuts his options down to 2. Stage and ledge. However, a Fox below the stage should not get back IMO. Reverse dolphin does wonders.

 

[undyinglight]

The counter is very situational, I personally find it fairly useful to use against people who are returning to the stage at a very low angle or from right below you.