Smash 3DS What Will The 3DS Scene Need To Thrive?

[LiteralGrill]

A lot of people already seem to think there is no chance to have a competitive scene for smash on the 3DS, I think they are wrong!

I wanna help develop that scene, I have some experience with my time with PSASBR before its demise (Sony said it's dead and a sequel isn't likely) so I wanna try and bring that here to make sure 3DS players have a scene to come to.

So, I'm going to start early, (VERY early) and get some generalities down of things the scene will need to thrive so that I can get some work done on things if needed ahead of time, there may be serious programming needed to be done ahead of time to make things work!

So, here's my general list, tell me what should be added or subtracted and how to implement these things once Smash Bros 3DS comes out.

1- Our Own Ruleset

-We already know Smash Bros 3DS will have some exclusive stages, this probably will require us to make our own ruleset to include some of those stages. We obviously can't work on this one until the game comes out and has been out a while, but when the game comes out I do plan on holding some initial tournaments and getting players together to look at the stages once we get them all unlocked.

-Also, as I've mentioned in a few other places, this may be an excellent opportunity to try out slightly different rulesets so we can compare them to what happens with results in the wii u. How different it is would have to be decided on by the players, (that means you guys) once the game is out and we've played it a while.
2- A Ranking System

-People generally like to see who is “the best” in a game, power rankings have always been popular and since I doubt Sakurai will be adding in a leader board any time soon, it's up to us to do so! (In the off chance he DOES have some sort of leader board, running our own with controlled variables wouldn't hurt much either.)

-I ran a leader board for PSASBR using a Gliko-2 equation, I have a description for it in the spoiler below. It's an excellent system and could do rankings for 1v1 2v2 (if people could manage to keep fixed partners) and FFA even if people wanted to put rankings into it.

The Glicko-2 rating system, created by Professsor Mark Glickman, is a method for assessing a player's strength in games of skill, and has been used in various ways to promote ranking including Chess.com, Pokemon Showdown!, and Nodewar. It's been shown to work and be HIGHLY effective.
Glicko-2 covers many things other rankings systems don't. It will account for inactivity of players, players who try to ONLY beat opponents they have beaten before (the points earned for winning slowly decrease, so no ganging up on someone forever and hoping to rank up high!) and encourages playing the best players which helps to improve your skills (as beating players higher ranked then you help increase your rank more quickly.)

3- People Streaming

-This one is a given, if there is an easy spectator mode for online tournaments, or some people streaming in person, Smash 3DS is going to need people giving it hype. I'll buy the stuff to stream somehow if I have to, but I'd love others to help! PSASBR had a weekly fight club that was quite a success too and it'd be great to bring that to smash.

4- This board needs to get active!

-I see tons of news stuff in sticky threads the wii u forums, but why not the 3DS side? What if people come to just look at the 3DS and see no news and leave disappointed? Not to mention, if we want this game's scene to be strong we need to start building the community in here now! Some threads need to be made then put on the top to match a few of the news threads on the wii u board. I'd be willing to make them if a mod would sticky them. (Which we may want a 3DS board mod, someone who pays specifically attention to us to make sure things in here stay good.)

5- Possibly Our Own Character Board


-This one is kinda based on chance, but some people think the 3DS will have slightly different mechanics possibly then the wii u game due to hardware limitations. If that's the case, it'd be nice if at that time, smash boards allowed a space for 3DS players to discuss characters as they'd work slightly different. If that doesn't happen, we can ignore this one entirely.

That's all I have to start. Remember give me ideas on what you guys would want too and ideas on how to improve my previous suggestions. Thanks guys, lets make the 3DS community strong together!

 

[Dooms]

Pretty sure I can link this, but I'll remove it if I can't:

http://3dscapture.com/

Get this. It's great for getting your 3DS recorded in any way, shape, or form. Pretty sure you can live stream with this using a program like xsplit. Poor quality or laggy streams are the only thing I have no idea about (I don't know how to make a stream have decent quality or have less lag haha).

I agree that the 3DS version (more than likely) can be a competitive game as well. The Fire Emblem: Awakening and Battlefield already look like stages that would be competitive, so I'm sure there will be more!

 

[LiteralGrill]

Pretty sure I can link this, but I'll remove it if I can't:

http://3dscapture.com/

Get this. It's great for getting your 3DS recorded in any way, shape, or form. Pretty sure you can live stream with this using a program like xsplit. Poor quality or laggy streams are the only thing I have no idea about (I don't know how to make a stream have decent quality or have less lag haha).

I agree that the 3DS version (more than likely) can be a competitive game as well. The Fire Emblem: Awakening and Battlefield already look like stages that would be competitive, so I'm sure there will be more!

SWEET! Thank you SO much for the link, that would work perfectly, especially if we get a good spectator mode!

And we'll make it competitive! I need to get some of those big threads over in here for speculation... Time to get to work!

 

[LunethF]

Sounds great, good to hear that people actually want a competitive scene on the 3DS version of the game. Most of what I've seen from people tend to be ignorance over the viability of one; primarily because of the nature of the platform (multiple devices on a wireless connection) as well as the new control scheme (circle pad, limited buttons). These are the main issues you're going to have to try and get players to overcome, especially for widespread adaptation of the 3DS version to be taken seriously.

Personally I think we need to start moving away from the typical Melee style of things and give the 3DS version a different approach. A change from the traditional tourney rules would be interesting to see, if done right.

I think no matter what you try to do with this, there'll be plenty of interest regardless and I look forward to seeing how you manage this!

 

[LiteralGrill]

Sounds great, good to hear that people actually want a competitive scene on the 3DS version of the game. Most of what I've seen from people tend to be ignorance over the viability of one; primarily because of the nature of the platform (multiple devices on a wireless connection) as well as the new control scheme (circle pad, limited buttons). These are the main issues you're going to have to try and get players to overcome, especially for widespread adaptation of the 3DS version to be taken seriously.

Personally I think we need to start moving away from the typical Melee style of things and give the 3DS version a different approach. A change from the traditional tourney rules would be interesting to see, if done right.

I think no matter what you try to do with this, there'll be plenty of interest regardless and I look forward to seeing how you manage this!

I really would like to take the 3DS and make the rules rather different, we can compare then result from Smash Wii U to see how things really effect gameplay.

Maybe we keep some items? A more liberal stage list? Something different then a starter/cp system? Other crazy ideas?

Who knows, but if you got crazy ideas I'm certainly willing to try em or work on em! We did things differently in PSAS and it worked well. it may be time for a new look at things!

And I agree there are some things to overcome, but I already got money getting saved up to stream 3DS now, so if anything if we get a good spectating mode even online events could have a solid stream!!!

 

[LunethF]

Maybe we keep some items? A more liberal stage list? Something different then a starter/cp system? Other crazy ideas?

I have a feeling that a lot of the stages in the 3DS version will be smaller due to the platform and the theme of portable titles, rather than stages based solely on home console games, so maybe a far more expansive stage list might be viable? As for items, we really need to know what additions there'll be and if they'd mix up the classic formula to a tolerable extent, that is if you include items at all.

Hopefully we'll hear a lot more details before next year (I'm guessing we'll get some kind of Direct coverage or more in-depth stuff on the Smash site).

 

[lordvaati]

a large online community,kinda like what Mario Kart and Pokemon have, to parallel the offline scene on consoles.

 

[LiteralGrill]

We were managing about 100 people here and there remembering to come or not during PSASBR heyday and it's online rivals brawl for how bad it is >_>

If we can at least decently connect on Smash 3DS and stream, a weekly large tournament is VERY possible!

 

[LunethF]

If we can at least decently connect on Smash 3DS and stream, a weekly large tournament is VERY possible!

Let's just hope they have a spectator mode.
I'm hoping for the "communities" feature from Mario Kart 7 to come over to Smash, which would allow you to track overall stats on the "community" (essentially a server where people can join a private group and play the game with specific rules) and potentially setup tournaments without too much fuss online.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Let's just hope they have a spectator mode.
I'm hoping for the "communities" feature from Mario Kart 7 to come over to Smash, which would allow you to track overall stats on the "community" (essentially a server where people can join a private group and play the game with specific rules) and potentially setup tournaments without too much fuss online.

Worse comes to worse, the one guy streaming invites the two people, kills himself however many stocks, and the battle begins (we had to do this with PSASBR and it somehow managed though it could be clunky at times)

And maybe manage an online chatroom for keeping things organized, unless they have something awesome like Mario Kart 7. I've worked in nasty conditions before, we can manage if we're all good and focused.

A weekly tournament for 3DS online could be awesome... with one a month being pay to enter maybe? Use paypal to take the fees, run a pool one day then the bracket the next... it's very doable!

 

[Equal]

In my opinion the ruleset shouldn't be much different if at all. I think the main reason this game isn't getting attention is that people aren't convinced that they will get the best experience, compared to what they'll get from Wii U.

Regardless I'll be supporting both scenes!

 

[LiteralGrill]

In my opinion the ruleset shouldn't be much different if at all. I think the main reason this game isn't getting attention is that people aren't convinced that they will get the best experience, compared to what they'll get from Wii U.

Regardless I'll be supporting both scenes!

Well, on 3DS being able to get a different experience might have some cool factor to it too. I don't wanna make it go TOO crazy like play only on 75 M or something XD

 

[Tesh]

smash is too good, i cant imagine not wanting both

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

Hey, these aren't some bad ideas. While I'm not so sure I'll even be getting the 3DS version, if I do, I see no reason to take it any less seriously as a competitive game at the moment. As a PSASBR player, I'd like to see Smash on the 3DS avoid going the route of that game, which was a legitimate contender on the Vita. I just wish the 3DS and Wii U game featured crossplay, so that they'd be held to the same standard. I'll be watching the 3DS scene and seeing how it develops, and I'd like to see some of these ideas carried through with.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Hey, these aren't some bad ideas. While I'm not so sure I'll even be getting the 3DS version, if I do, I see no reason to take it any less seriously as a competitive game at the moment. As a PSASBR player, I'd like to see Smash on the 3DS avoid going the route of that game, which was a legitimate contender on the Vita. I just wish the 3DS and Wii U game featured crossplay, so that they'd be held to the same standard. I'll be watching the 3DS scene and seeing how it develops, and I'd like to see some of these ideas carried through with.

I'm glad to see I had good ideas, and nice to see a PSAS player here, did I ever run into at one of my tournaments by chance?

And crossplay would be cool, but that did limit PSAS too so I'm kinda glad they are separate this time. And I can't wait for it to develope either, I hope to be in the thick of it obviously

 

[Neo Zero]

Ah Eric, at it again now are we? You certainly do your best to put in work though, ill give you that.

1. This really isn't likely at all. It'd be possible for the game to have its own stage list (duh), tier list (this isn't likely but it is possible with having different stages technically) but given the characters themself will be the same and the mechanics will be the same, there wouldn't be much justifiable reason to have a specific 3DS ruleset. Just because you might die a few seconds earlier on battlefield on 3ds compared to Wii U (just a hypothetical example) doesn't mean we would go editing the stocks because of that. If there is a huge mechanical difference (like hit stun) between versions then its more plausible, but when the core experience outside stages is going to be identical, its just not really an option to operate on a seperate ruleset. Of course experimentation for both versions early on is good and should be encouraged, but that still means that at the end of the day, these rulesets will 99% be the same.

2. Could possibly be in game, if not, you'll likely have competition with All is Brawl, as I can't imaginethey wouldnt work their established ladders to cover both versions.

3-4. Both of these rely on the players, and it'll be a challenge because hand held fighters are generally frowned on, even if they're the only version like say the Dissidia Final Fantasy games, building a hand held community is hard. Even if the game has differences like Smash 4 will, most people would probably play both and prioritize the console version, or might only own a 3DS. Not saying its impossible but I doubt very few (probably 10% or lower) of the community would prioritize the 3DS version over the Wii U version. I don't want to sound like I'm slamming the 3DS version, ill buy it and play it a lot, just like the Wii U version, I'm just saying this is the game for the minority, and not the majority.

5-Threads can just be verified with a Wii U or 3DS tag if its applicable, and left blank if it applies to both versions.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Erik. With a K XD Sorry, one of the stupid things I wish everyone got right after it being spelled wrong like my whole life.

But back on subject, yes I'm "at it again" I guess, though putting it at way almost makes it sound like what I've done is bad or something. >_>

Ah Eric, at it again now are we? You certainly do your best to put in work though, ill give you that.

1. This really isn't likely at all. It'd be possible for the game to have its own stage list (duh), tier list (this isn't likely but it is possible with having different stages technically) but given the characters themself will be the same and the mechanics will be the same, there wouldn't be much justifiable reason to have a specific 3DS ruleset. Just because you might die a few seconds earlier on battlefield on 3ds compared to Wii U (just a hypothetical example) doesn't mean we would go editing the stocks because of that. If there is a huge mechanical difference (like hit stun) between versions then its more plausible, but when the core experience outside stages is going to be identical, its just not really an option to operate on a seperate ruleset. Of course experimentation for both versions early on is good and should be encouraged, but that still means that at the end of the day, these rulesets will 99% be the same.

Why should the be exactly the same though when there is the possibility to have something a bit different that might be able to please different people? I'm saying things like a more liberal stage list possibly, maybe some items, not changing stocks. 3DS possibly not being the bigger scene with so many people set on wii u play, might be a good game to do some things different with. It would cut down arguing between certain groups of people with various thoughts on rulesets at the very least which wouldn't be a bad thing. And it would open the community a bit so more people may wanna enter different events, who knows?

2. Could possibly be in game, if not, you'll likely have competition with All is Brawl, as I can't imagine they wouldnt work their established ladders to cover both versions.

Can't lie there, they have an awesome system, but win/loss ratios aren't as fair as gliko-2 so who knows? And people might feel like they should support the person running stuff for them. But that one I will agree is 50/50.

3-4. Both of these rely on the players, and it'll be a challenge because hand held fighters are generally frowned on, even if they're the only version like say the Dissidia Final Fantasy games, building a hand held community is hard. Even if the game has differences like Smash 4 will, most people would probably play both and prioritize the console version, or might only own a 3DS. Not saying its impossible but I doubt very few (probably 10% or lower) of the community would prioritize the 3DS version over the Wii U version. I don't want to sound like I'm slamming the 3DS version, ill buy it and play it a lot, just like the Wii U version, I'm just saying this is the game for the minority, and not the majority.

I don't think it would get priority somehow minus from the people who only own 3DS systems, but it's smash, the game that tends to defy normal fighting game expectations sometimes. It may finally break the handheld barrier a bit, who knows? Either way, I'm starting to save up now so that I can stream it (and maybe some other 3DS games if I feel like it) so there will be at least one dedicated person trying which is good. And hey, someone has to serve the minority sometimes right? The 3DS if wifi play is decent might be the best way to get people who normally can't travel to events a better chance at big time play too which would be kinda cool.

5-Threads can just be verified with a Wii U or 3DS tag if its applicable, and left blank if it applies to both versions.

I guess this is true, but with how "organized" other boards for characters can be already, it's still not the worst idea ever.

 

[Neo Zero]

No worries, just my Trig-ish way of teasing. Honestly thought it was a C :/

 

[LiteralGrill]

No worries, just my Trig-ish way of teasing. Honestly thought it was a C :/

Hey no problem, loads of people do. Maybe I should wear a name tag... XD

But it is nice to see you here, and as my signature says, if I'm here a scene will have to exist. It's almost like I have almost no life and endless amounts of time to contribute

 

[Toph_87]

Very much looking forward to the 3DS version. I think fans will be surprised with how well it plays and think it will be just as competitive if not more than the Wii U version due to being able to play it anywhere. You can count on me to be a regular on this forum to help out this community whichever way I can.

 

[Chauzu]

I think what could make the 3DS Smash more unique from the Wii U counterpart is that the focus more naturally would be on online only. I will almost only be competetive online so I will mainly focus on the game which delivers the most satisfying online experience.

I would have absolutely no problems of having fun with the Wii U version whilst being more hardcore with the 3DS game.

 

[Nivler]

Altough I'm new here you can count me in.
I really like your ideas Aylas and I think you can really make something big out of the 3ds smash community.
But since we really don't know anything about MP mode it's too early to make plans on ranking systems and stuff.
Maybe Sakurai will surprise us and add ranking boards or even a lobby... well atleast I hope so. It would make things a lot easier.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Altough I'm new here you can count me in.
I really like your ideas Aylas and I think you can really make something big out of the 3ds smash community.
But since we really don't know anything about MP mode it's too early to make plans on ranking systems and stuff.
Maybe Sakurai will surprise us and add ranking boards or even a lobby... well atleast I hope so. It would make things a lot easier.

A lobby at a minimum would be fantastic...

 

[Dooms]

The reality of the ladder system from AiB is that people there SUCK.

You're going to get the rejects (people not good enough for AiB) and you're gonna get the people that generally think that AiB is a crapsite because of all of the over-confident people there that think that being good at brawl = god status and everyone should bow down to them because they're the best ever.

There is one huge way to beat out AiB ladder though, and that is prizes. Give them eshop point cards. Give them Amazon cards. Put money on the line, and I guarantee people will come to your ladder system. AiB has prizes as well, but people can play in both ladders (Pros will choose to play in both, some others will do that as well), plus you have the chance to weed out the people that ruin it for everyone else, something AiB missed their chance on doing.

Given that it's an online chat room, make the main chat as friendly as possible through strict rules and moderation, and make sure that you're prepared for the people that will lie to get onto the top. Have moderators pre-chosen for your ladder system. Don't wait until you put the ladder online. Moderators need to be there to watch the chat and settle disputes in ranked matches from the beginning. People for some reason think that trash talking about players on wifi will have the same effect as offline (meaning it will be taken as a joke and people won't get offended), but the truth is that it eventually discouraged a lot of people from doing All is Brawl. We don't need a repeat of this with your ladder.

I would highly suggest pulling an AllisBrawl and make your own website/forum. You will need the website for your ladder system, and people will generally want to discuss the ladder system (bugs, complaints, etc), so making a forum for it would be ideal as well. Just a suggestion, but highly recommended.

Moving on...

The most Nintendo has actually done with a ranking system (from what I know) is like Mario Kart Wii type stuff, where you just get the higher placement in a WORLDWIDE or REGIONAL room and watch your points go up. He may add stuff to encourage free-room play (meaning no friend codes being used) similar to Mario Kart, but I don't see him doing any type of ranking system for 1 on 1 ladder playing. You will more than likely have to form your own ladder.

 

[LiteralGrill]

The reality of the ladder system from AiB is that people there SUCK.

You're going to get the rejects (people not good enough for AiB) and you're gonna get the people that generally think that AiB is a crapsite because of all of the over-confident people there that think that being good at brawl = god status and everyone should bow down to them because they're the best ever.

There is one huge way to beat out AiB ladder though, and that is prizes. Give them eshop point cards. Give them Amazon cards. Put money on the line, and I guarantee people will come to your ladder system. AiB has prizes as well, but people can play in both ladders (Pros will choose to play in both, some others will do that as well), plus you have the chance to weed out the people that ruin it for everyone else, something AiB missed their chance on doing.

Given that it's an online chat room, make the main chat as friendly as possible through strict rules and moderation, and make sure that you're prepared for the people that will lie to get onto the top. Have moderators pre-chosen for your ladder system. Don't wait until you put the ladder online. Moderators need to be there to watch the chat and settle disputes in ranked matches from the beginning. People for some reason think that trash talking about players on wifi will have the same effect as offline (meaning it will be taken as a joke and people won't get offended), but the truth is that it eventually discouraged a lot of people from doing All is Brawl. We don't need a repeat of this with your ladder.

I would highly suggest pulling an AllisBrawl and make your own website/forum. You will need the website for your ladder system, and people will generally want to discuss the ladder system (bugs, complaints, etc), so making a forum for it would be ideal as well. Just a suggestion, but highly recommended.

Moving on...

The most Nintendo has actually done with a ranking system (from what I know) is like Mario Kart Wii type stuff, where you just get the higher placement in a WORLDWIDE or REGIONAL room and watch your points go up. He may add stuff to encourage free-room play (meaning no friend codes being used) similar to Mario Kart, but I don't see him doing any type of ranking system for 1 on 1 ladder playing. You will more than likely have to form your own ladder.

Lots of seriously good info here, thanks for the major feedback. I may need to get in contact with a web programmer I know to work on some things! I wouldn't want to take too much away from smashboards, this really is the place to be, but if I combined it with a site for my stream which I plan on making, that should make it not as bad on that front.

 

[Dooms]

Smashboards will not have a ladder system unfortunately (unless they have a major change to their site/community). It is why people that played wifi hardcore went to AiB in the first place. Money prizes, a competitive online ladder, and several chatrooms for both competitive sets and friendlies so you could find matches in an instant.

It became pretty well known that Smashboards was for offline and that All is Brawl was for online. People will still use Smashboards for offline regardless of what you do, but using this site for online brawling is a joke. Smashboards is for keeping up with offline tournaments, the information, and the character boards. You're not taking away from Smashboards by creating a website for online competitive play, you're just giving people an online gaming community to also participate in.

Edit: If anything, you'd be taking away from AiB, but even then... If the people actually care to play for the money regardless of the rude people, then they'll play on multiple sites.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Smashboards will not have a ladder system unfortunately (unless they have a major change to their site/community). It is why people that played wifi hardcore went to AiB in the first place. Money prizes, a competitive online ladder, and several chatrooms for both competitive sets and friendlies so you could find matches in an instant.

It became pretty well known that Smashboards was for offline and that All is Brawl was for online. People will still use Smashboards for offline regardless of what you do, but using this site for online brawling is a joke. Smashboards is for keeping up with offline tournaments, the information, and the character boards. You're not taking away from Smashboards by creating a website for online competitive play, you're just giving people an online gaming community to also participate in.

Edit: If anything, you'd be taking away from AiB, but even then... If the people actually care to play for the money regardless of the rude people, then they'll play on multiple sites.

True, and I've got tons of experience with online community from PSAS since the local scene for that didn't honestly exist anywhere outside of one place in Canada, which is pretty scary. If people would wanna come play, I guess it would be dumb of me to stop them right?

 

[Dooms]

Right! XD. Always encourage players to play! Adding players to a community is always great!

Already looking forward to the online community for Smash3DS. I hope it's way better than Brawl's and that we can learn from Brawl's mistakes lol.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Right! XD. Always encourage players to play! Adding players to a community is always great!

Already looking forward to the online community for Smash3DS. I hope it's way better than Brawl's and that we can learn from Brawl's mistakes lol.

Same here, and with the insane amount of hours I can put in, expect some awesome things! :D

 

[Chauzu]

Good to see there's a few people here that are hyped for the 3DS version. I'll see in the future if there's something I could help out with, but to start with I'm waiting to see what Nintendo's plans are for online and such.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Good to see there's a few people here that are hyped for the 3DS version. I'll see in the future if there's something I could help out with, but to start with I'm waiting to see what Nintendo's plans are for online and such.

Can't blame you there, good to see people who'll want to help!

 

[Frostwraith]

I'm actually quite satisfied that there will be a portable version, considering my life nowadays.

Not a competitive player, but the idea of being able to play Smash everywhere is great.

 

[LiteralGrill]

I'm actually quite satisfied that there will be a portable version, considering my life nowadays.

Not a competitive player, but the idea of being able to play Smash everywhere is great.

No kidding! Now I can have an excuse to avoid inlaws at family events!

I mean... >_>

 

[IsmaR]

With people like you spearheading the movement, I think the scene will thrive just fine. Looking forward to it.

 

[LunethF]

Already looking forward to the online community for Smash3DS. I hope it's way better than Brawl's and that we can learn from Brawl's mistakes lol.

This, as an English guy in the North, there is no such thing as a Smash scene here. I'm by no means a good player, but I don't even have an easy option to improve, hopefully Smash 4's online will help with stuff like this.

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

Why do we need a scene when we don't even know what the game will be like yet?

 

[LiteralGrill]

Why do we need a scene when we don't even know what the game will be like yet?

Why do we need a seen for the wii u game when we don't know what it will be like yet?

Right now TONS of people are bonding on that side of the forum, and since people will put the wii u version as the tournament standard, but people will want to play on the 3DS, it's a good idea to start building bonds in here early, and to get ideas about what we want this to be like established. There's tons of fire power for wii u, not as much here.

Getting things settled in so that we can start on them early would be helpful, wii u players will have tons of people clamoring to do some of the stuff where overe here if we started at the same time we might not have that momentum.

 

[smashmachine]

3DS version has one HUGE advantage: much bigger userbase (of the consoles)=a much larger player base

 

[LiteralGrill]

3DS version has one HUGE advantage: much bigger userbase (of the consoles)=a much larger player base

This is very true, hopefully it works to our advantage!

 

[nessokman]

The 3ds won't have much of a competitive scene. Wii U has far more interest, as you always hear "I don't want the 3ds to hold wii u back!" I want there to be a scene, but it is less likely. I'll probably have more hours in 3ds, but the wii u has the most attention of the two