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What if Gannondorf keeps his moveset?

Mathieu21

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GANNON-BANNED!!

I did it to have more attention.:psycho:

Okay. It looks like everyone assumes that if Ganondorf is in, his moveset will be changed. Is it possible that the opposite happens?

With Lucas being slightly a clone of Ness (it doesn't matter if Ness is likely out), I think clones aren't out of the picture. Also, I rembember Sakurai saying Captain Falcon is his favorite character. This might mean he is interested in his moveset, so a slower and stronger version of Captain Falcon might please him. Don't forget that it is possible that Falcon's moveset is Sakurai's creation.

I'm not sure if it will happen, I'm just bringing this to the Ganondorf discussion.
 
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Lucas isn't really a clone of Ness unless Ness is in with the same moveset from Melee.

The only clones in the game should be Luigi and Mewtwo. >< Ganon will most likely have a new moveset if he is returning. Same with Falco.
 

prettymanfairy

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Sakurai never said clones were out. He said some characters wouldn't be returning. It can only be expected that those that will be cut are clones. My least favorite part of Melee was the face they made Ganondorf a clone. It was a friggin shame. He had potential to be a great and origional character, but they made him a Captain Falcon clone. This sentiment is shared with a lot of people, and I just don't think Sakurai will do the same mistake twice.
 

KF11

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it would suck, assuming that clones r out, that would meen that cpt. falcon would not have is falcon kick/punch signature move anymore
 

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it's more the principle that Ganondorf doesn't deserve to be a Clone in the first place. they should make him original, simply because he deserves to be... that, and because the Sword of Sages is FU*KING AWESOME!!!
 

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I rather enjoyed Ganondorf in Melee, so I guess I wouldn't complain... :)

However, I agree that he does not deserve clone status.
 

Magically Enhanced Hobo

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I've prepared myself for this eventuality, but I think even if Falco, Ness, and Luigi are clones, at least they're all similar to the other guy and are from the same series.

Ganondorf might as well have been a Game and Watch clone, because he has nothing in common with Captain Falcon, and that's why nobody here thinks he will be a clone.
 

Smash Kirby Pit

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OK the clones that will return are
1. Ganondorf
2.Luigi(He wasnt a official clone but still)
3.Falco
Clones that wont return
1.Dr Mario
2.pichu
3.Roy(ill miss that fire blade)
4.young Link
Ness wont returnSorry i dont have a grudge but Lucas is better. the only attack that is diffrent from ness is pk freeze.
 

Zorya

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Nonsense..are you an idiot? Sakurai said no clones in this game, in other words NO.



This thread has been ZoryaOWNED!!!
 

Brasil

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As long as he keeps his jab and aerials, I welcome original moves for everything else.
 

WarxePB

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Contrary to popular belief, clones were added in Melee because they had extra time; they probably could have added two characters with unique movesets, but they chose six "cloned" characters to fill out the roster.
As I recall, Ganondorf was planned to have a sword-based moveset, but that idea was ditched early on. But when they decided to add clones, they went back to Ganondorf's model and noticed that he had similar proportions to Captain Falcon, and realized that they could make him a slower, stronger clone of the Cap. So they did, but as anyone with an AR can tell you, they kept the sword in the code (and for one of his victories).

Just a bit of backstory for those of you who were wondering.

For Brawl, Ganondorf will very likely have his own moveset - again, the only reason he was a clone of Captain Falcon was because creating a unique moveset for him would take too much dev time. But Brawl had much more dev time than Melee, hence greater chances of Ganondorf having a sword. for his moves.


If Sakurai does want to keep Ganondorf's Melee moveset around, there's two ways to do it: Blood Falcon (a literal biological clone of Captain Falcon) or Black Shadow (Falcon's archenemy). Both would make sense with a slower, stronger Falcon moveset, and they could Luigify it by adding in some of 64 Falcon's moves and diversifying the specials a bit. I've thought about this at great length, and I've come up for a decent moveset for a Luigified Falcon clone.

A: Melee Ganondorf (single quick punch)
Ftilt: Melee Ganondorf (kick)
Dash: I think it's the same in both
Fsmash: 64 Falcon (burning kick, would probably be shadowy instead)
Dtilt: Same in both
Dsmash: 64 Falcon
Utilt: Melee Ganondorf (laggy but powerful overhead kick)
Usmash: 64 Falcon
Nair: Melee Ganondorf
Fair: Melee Ganondorf
Dair: Melee Ganondorf
Bair, Uair: Same in both

Neutral B: Shadow Punch - Charges up energy in both hands (same amount of time as Warlock Punch). First punches with right hand, which does 10% damage with little knockback and somewhat shorter range, but high hitstun. Then hits with the second punch, which deals 24% damage and has the same knockback as Warlock Punch.

Side B: Shadow Boost - Same as Gerudo Dragon (I think it was called), but it can be directed in any direction. Has a bit more lag before the attack, allowing players to move in the desired direction, and a bit faster and more distance.

Down B: Shadow Dive - No, it's not a typo. On the ground, they lunge forward some distance with a lot of lag afterwards. If they're in the air and above another character, they dive down towards that character. Either way, they grab the character and launch them in the direction the user is facing. Only does 10% damage and low knockback, but can be used repeatedly.

Up B: Shadow Kick - Same thing as the Falcon Kick, but propels them upwards diagonally (on both ground and the air). Since it's now an Up B, it puts them in helpless state afterwards.

Final Smash: I dunno. Probably a "dark" version of whatever Falcon's is.
 

SargeAK47

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Well with time ticking away... im pretty sure we are moments away from leaked ganon pics.. lets face it Zelda's final smash is out. and so are some rumors that black shadow is there.
But all will be confirmed during the *** release.

I know Ganon will be in.. haha a gut feeling.. but when they would go to such lengths to bring back sheik regardless of the zelda TP continuity, then i have a feeling Ganon is far from done.
He is the biggest badass of all Nintendo villains.. and thats something Sakurai knows well
 
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