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What exactly did I do?

Kiris

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Ok, so I'm Link, I'm fighting Luigi, Luigi catches me in my Up-B lag, I did... somethng, and Luigi's flame fist lits, I'm in flames, you hear that "Special hit" sound, but I get no knockback and NO damage at all. Anyone know what happened?
 

Aiko

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its a bit weird, but you get the hit but no damage or knockback. A minor glitch? im not really 100% sure either tbh
 

EnigmaticCam

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I don't think it's something you have control of. It just happens occasionally, and you accept it.
 

Cuno56

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Phantom hits occur when the hitbox of a move and the character's hitbox are tangent, dealing half damage but no knockback.

There are also sometimes... I think they're called ghost hits, which do knockback but no damage, but I'm not too sure about that.

Anyway, yeah, probably a phantom hit.
 

Z-N_Freak

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This happens when the Hitbox of your attack and the vurnable part of the body of your enemy just make contact, but not good enough. Then you get a phantom hit.

I still want to know how you get a ghost hit ( 0 damage but all the knockback, now that's weird... )
 

Pye

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Yes, that was a phantom hit, and here's exacly what it is.

Each character is composed of polygons and boxes, as I'm sure you know. Boxes (i'll call them character boxes) tell the game where your character "is", while polygons and texture are the cool details we see while playing.

When you use an attack, it puts out what's called a hitbox. If your opponent's character box is inside your attack's hitbox, the attack connects.

However, if the character box and hitbox are tangent (IE only touching along a single line. No overlap), a phantom hit occurs. Any "animation" the attack has will still play (for example, if a Falcon phantom hits with a knee, you'll still see the electric animation on your opponent. You of course already know this, because you saw it with Luigi's fire punch). You'll only do half damage, and there will be no knockback or stun on the hit.

To see a phantom hit, try finding the video of Luke (bowser) vs Eddie (Shiek) on youtube. At one point, Luke yells out "What the f*** is going on with these phantom hits!?!". Rewatch the part right before that (a fair from bowser), and you'll see the phantom hit clearly. You can hear Eddie claim the phantom hit was indeed not a phantom hit, but his hax DI afterwords, which is quite funny :p

EDIT: I'm not so well informed on ghost hits, but if you're curious, I think I know how to reproduce one pretty easily. Do Ness' yo-yo glitch, equip any jacket, then hit your opponent with it. Now, attempt to use your upsmash on your opponent. It'll go right through him, as if you hadn't done anything.

I don't know about "stun with no knockback" though. Haven't heard of that. I've always heard that aformentioned side effect of the yoyo glitch to be a ghost hit
 

Eaode

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That, was called sarcasm.

Now here's something that's not: If you tap B 9 times before G&W's judgement hammer shows the number, it will consistently be a 9!


yes, that was also sarcasm
 

Ignatius

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To get a guranteed phantom hit, turn the game into Japanese mode, go to Home Run contest and select Ganon, Jump and do his neutral B.
 

Respawn

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OK, I have an idea...

For a split second, a 9th dimensional rift opened up, revealing the timeline of another infinite universe. What you were actually seeing was a halved image, where in the other infinite universe Luigi's attack actually hit you, but then the rift disappeared, and you were seeing the normal image. What do you think?

lol, Probably just a minor flaw in the programming. Or maybe it was a phantom hit, but with special parameters that were unique to this situation. It probably won't happen in the same way again, what with Chaos theory and all that...
 

Respawn

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What I meant by special parameters was this:

You took a phantom hit, but in this instance you were positioned in the one spot that would cause you to take no damage, or something like that. You could have activated some crazy random glitch that only works the exact way that you did it, and you'll probably never do it again because the measurements would have to be perfect to recreate it. Hence my Chaos Theory reference.

IDK, just throwing stuff out there. As it seems, nobody knows exactly what happened to you, but they all have some idea.
 

Respawn

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OK, I just experienced what you described, but I did it with Samus vs. Fox.

I was just messing around (doing the Windmill of Fury ;)) and when I came around for another go, I did a dash attack and I went straight through Fox.

It made the sound like I'd hit him, the little "hit" sprite appeared, but there was no knockback and no damage. Weird.
 
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