What do you consider a Cheap/Banned Move and will you play against it?

[NoNessNoProblem]

Like Edge Hogging or something that you consider cheap or dirty...or peaches Wall Bomber..
there are probably more than i know and i want to hear what other people think is cheap and when you encounter it online will you just quit or play against it?

 

[KosukeKGA]

Cheap?

More like people who complain are noobs. There's a counter for everything.
None of the aforementioned techniques are "cheap."

 

[GreenKirby]

*inb4MetaKnightcomplaining*

 

[InvincibleAgent]

Only a move that has no counter is cheap.

 

[S2]

There are no "cheap" moves.

"Cheap" is a term often used by novice players to describe a move/tactic that they don't know how to defend against.

Instead of looking up a counter and practicing, they feel the need to complain about it or ban the move altogether.

Go to a tournament for any competitive game, instantly you'll realize that "cheap" goes out the window and its up to the player to utilize and defend against anything in the game's arsenal.


There are "banned" moves, like excessive stalling. These are banned for a reason. Because they literally break the game at the highest level. Usually these are stall techniques or glitches.

Everything else is always legal. If someone calls something cheap, call them a noob.

 

[DeuceBlade]

I don't know is much will be cheap in brawl... unless things get a little "sheip" again.

 

[NoNessNoProblem]

I mean like something that people do to you that pisses you off

 

[TheOfficialSonicFanboy]

I mean like something that people do to you that pisses you off

Oh, pisses me off, eh???
Actually, not much. Just losing. If it's a time/stock match and they're playing gay by running and avoiding or wall bombing, that's gay. But if they play for the KO, I really have no problem with that.

 

[The Adder]

What do you consider a Cheap/Banned Move

Nothing

and will you play against it?

Of course.

 

[Synister]

i have a friend who plays solely as jigglypuff uses two moves, iigg's fair and bair, and jigg's side b
that is a pissy move and i consider this guy a ****, its rly rly annoying

 

[Fonz]

Someone would perfected wall-bomb stalling against a character who can't really punish it and items off would be annoying. Any stalling technique would be lame and I'm sure I'll come across them. People will be much more inclined to pull such maneuvers when they aren't face to face with the person they're playing.

 

[KosukeKGA]

i have a friend who plays solely as jigglypuff uses two moves, iigg's fair and bair, and jigg's side b
that is a pissy move and i consider this guy a ****, its rly rly annoying

Like I said, there's a counter for everything.

 

[F@lc0-san]

My friends claim I am "lame" when I grab them with IC's and use DOwn B with nana while I pummel them with PoPo, only throw them sway and catch them again.

 

[2007]

people say edgeguarding is cheap. maybe it s, maybe it isn't. I say it ain't, and "shut your trap" comes ot to an yn00b who says otherwise. play good with edgeguarding, and use tactics that make me hard to edgeguard. so there.
=2007=

 

[bob-e]

The only thing I consider cheep are infinites. Fortunately, ICs are the only characters who have an infinite that can reliably be done by humans. If you get caught in a wobble, you might as will just put down the controller until your opponent decides to KO you. I know the general response is, "don't get hit", but a move that equates to a 1 hit KO is downright broken.

 

[KosukeKGA]

The only thing I consider cheep are infinites. Fortunately, ICs are the only characters who have an infinite that can reliably be done by humans. If you get caught in a wobble, you might as will just put down the controller until your opponent decides to KO you. I know the general response is, "don't get hit", but a move that equates to a 1 hit KO is downright broken.

Then don't get grabbed. Problem solved.

But to help you in your predicament, Wobbling is banned in some tourneys so, yeah. >.>

 

[cynar]

The only thing I consider cheep are infinites. Fortunately, ICs are the only characters who have an infinite that can reliably be done by humans. If you get caught in a wobble, you might as will just put down the controller until your opponent decides to KO you. I know the general response is, "don't get hit", but a move that equates to a 1 hit KO is downright broken.

that and any stalling techniques. Really there isn't much to complain about in melee.

 

[OrlanduEX]

The only thing I consider cheep are infinites. Fortunately, ICs are the only characters who have an infinite that can reliably be done by humans. If you get caught in a wobble, you might as will just put down the controller until your opponent decides to KO you. I know the general response is, "don't get hit", but a move that equates to a 1 hit KO is downright broken.

One hit KO's and infinites, while certainly unbalanced, don't break the game. Many popular and respected fighting games employ such techniques liberally.

 

[parma-san]

Is this in the wrong forum? I think he's talking about Melee....

Brawl will be completely balanced and have no broken moves though, of COURSE!

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I hate throwing...

for some reason...

I HATE it...

 

[krabbymcnabby]

I know stupid things that most people do such as repetitive reverseals and repetitive down B (for DK) but if that's there strategy then who cares

 

[NoNessNoProblem]

Is this in the wrong forum? I think he's talking about Melee....

Brawl will be completely balanced and have no broken moves though, of COURSE!

i'm talking about moves in melee that are getting transferred to brawl..someone always complains bout something when Brawl comes out theres going to be 100 threads on "how to do this certain move" and "stop this certain move" sig it

 

[Andydark]

Oh, pisses me off, eh???
Actually, not much. Just losing. If it's a time/stock match and they're playing gay by running and avoiding or wall bombing, that's gay. But if they play for the KO, I really have no problem with that.

Is it really gay >_> Have you seen these moves get it on with moves of the same gender?

Just curious.

I find rest spam irritating at times, but it''s usually because I get into a rhythm of forcing a player onto the defensive, so I'm always all up in their grill, yo.

So then when I play against a good resting puff...I have to sort of change my strategy entirely, or I end rolling into a Rest x.x

 

[NoNessNoProblem]

Is it really gay >_> Have you seen these moves get it on with moves of the same gender?

Just curious.

I find rest spam irritating at times, but it''s usually because I get into a rhythm of forcing a player onto the defensive, so I'm always all up in their grill, yo.

So then when I play against a good resting puff...I have to sort of change my strategy entirely, or I end rolling into a Rest x.x

I think he meant it makes him extremely happy

 

[Drik Khaail]

Items. I'm sorry, I hate how they can be used.

 

[Aminar]

Nothing is cheap, smash harder. This is the single most important rule of smash. That said I hope wobbling, and anything like it, is gone/nonexistant. The idea of it bothers me.

 

[Demon Kirby]

Nothing. Stop complaining.

 

[NoNessNoProblem]

Nothing. Stop complaining.

whos complaining??i'm simply asking a ? you dont like it please leave i don't need to hear these comments

 

[EON_MagicMan]

I trust the creators of Smash Bros to make it really hard to be cheap, in any of the games, really.

My brother and I have both agreed that anything goes (and we're both pretty developed players, we SHUFFL, edge guard and are starting to integrate wave dashing into actual play, to give you an idea).

The move I have the hardest time breaking is Sheik's chain, but you can still get out-- it's no E-Honda(sp?) from Street Fighter.

I'd hate to have to set and worry about using my own rules, it's way better to be able to relax and play within the game's limitations.

I'm sure if there was anything that can be considered cheap in Melee, it's been noted by the devs and will be fixed and avoided in Brawl.

 

[Zek]

It's silly to whine about something like edge guarding, but if you're playing against people who are way worse than you then don't be a jerk going all out on them until they don't feel like playing anymore. If letting them back on the stage or turning on a handicap or something are the only ways to make the game fun for your friends then you should do it instead of calling them newbs. Most people aren't interested in investing so much time into being good at Smash.

 

[Jazriel]

Nothing is cheap, smash harder. This is the single most important rule of smash. That said I hope wobbling, and anything like it, is gone/nonexistant. The idea of it bothers me.

Epic Fail. What you said is failure on such an epic level it actually deserves a response from me.


"Nothing is cheap, smash smarter." Is what you should've said.

 

[T.U.C.]

those moves are smart not cheap

 

[bluekitsune13]

There are only 2 things in smash i can think of that are completely cheap, and should be banned. And I refuse to play against anyone who uses these "cheap moves."

1. Items
2. Any stage but Final Destination







Just kidding of course....

All's fair in love and Smash.

 

[Griffard]

i was thinking, and there is really only one cheap move, and that's wobbling, but that is sure to be fixed for brawl

 

[hunger!]

theres nothing cheap in super smash bros....only skill. End of discussion.

 

[Cheezball]

It's silly to whine about something like edge guarding, but if you're playing against people who are way worse than you then don't be a jerk going all out on them until they don't feel like playing anymore. If letting them back on the stage or turning on a handicap or something are the only ways to make the game fun for your friends then you should do it instead of calling them newbs. Most people aren't interested in investing so much time into being good at Smash.

I always had a problem sort of like this, but I never played handicap and I never played with the advanced techs(AKA glitch/unfair tricks for newbies) and I was always won, I never called them bad, but I just said try harder and don't go gradually gain power, go directly to a level 9 (ya, they are that bad)and figure out their strategy. I did this with bowser against Marth, but I will battle my friend (The Marth demon in my point of view, I mean really annoyingly good)and hopefully defeat him. Ya, it is going to be tough with bowser. Now that I know the advanced techs, it should be easy. I really like this idea, and if he defeats me, I will just put on handicap(I am a sissy sometimes...). WHOA GETTING A LITTLE OFF TOPIC THERE CHEEZ! Ok, I really hope that they make grabbing have a certain amount of time in between each grab.

 

[mezbomber]

when I play with my friends, we don't really call anything "cheap"...however, we do play with an unspoken code of conduct. For example, we like to encourage each other to use more creativity in a combo just because (we think) it looks cooler than chaining the same one or two moves over and over. The game offers you a wonderful palette of moves to choose from to "paint" your combo, so why only use one or two colors?

Also, I'm always trying to improve my combo ability, so oftentimes I intentionally refrain from using very many smash attacks that would send my opponent too far away to keep comboing...plus, I feel pretty good about myself when I can get the job done without relying on them. I think this is making my offensive game better. On the other hand, playing against someone who heavily relies on their c-stick helps me improve my defensive game.

 

[Luigi player]

If they don't use AR I'm fine with it.

 

[Sanji]

nothings cheap. we are all human, anything anyone does, anyone else can do the same thing if they practice. if someone you were playing against said edgeguarding is cheap and told you to stop using it, you can stop or tell them to stfu. if you tell them to stfu you can argue that you can do the exact same thing as I so stop complaining. if you stop, you will probably still win by some other advanced technique. eventually they will tell you to stop doing everything that is allowing you to win. so basically when someone says you're cheap, they are saying you are cheap because you are winning. its like they want to make it an even playing field by decreasing your skill to their level. its like saying the only difference between a pro basketball player and a noob basketball player is that the pro can jump higher, run faster, and shoot better. uh... yeah... so you want him to sink down to your level in order to make it fair? if this were the case, everyone would be even at everything in life. it all comes down to sore losers because of this.

 

[OrlanduEX]

when I play with my friends, we don't really call anything "cheap"...however, we do play with an unspoken code of conduct. For example, we like to encourage each other to use more creativity in a combo just because (we think) it looks cooler than chaining the same one or two moves over and over. The game offers you a wonderful palette of moves to choose from to "paint" your combo, so why only use one or two colors?

Also, I'm always trying to improve my combo ability, so oftentimes I intentionally refrain from using very many smash attacks that would send my opponent too far away to keep comboing...plus, I feel pretty good about myself when I can get the job done without relying on them. I think this is making my offensive game better. On the other hand, playing against someone who heavily relies on their c-stick helps me improve my defensive game.

I think that if you're planning to play competitively, you shouldn't focus on making a combo "cool" or "pretty". Just make it as effective as possible. Yea all the characters have plenty of moves, but not all of them are good, and some are much better than others. Of course there are characters like Sheik and Fox who have a movelist full of useful moves (except like Sheik's chain and s*** like that), but even for them, there are a few REALLY good moves that make their other lesser moves essentially obsolete.
Basically, I think that you should always use the best move for the situation, regardless of how much you find yourself using it or whether it's cool or not. When it ceases to be effective, then you try something else.