What are we going to do about Taunt Parties?

[Cap'nChreest]

Taunt parties are a terrible thing in Brawl. We need to stop them in Smash 4 before they ruin online for that game too.

 

[LancerStaff]

Pray for a 1v1 mode?

 

[AEMehr]

Join them obviously.

 

[Kapus]

Nothing? I'm not sure how you could stop people from goofing off as they please during free for all matches.

 

[smashbro29]

Go around hitting people that do nothing but taunt.

 

[Cap'nChreest]

Go around hitting people that do nothing but taunt.

Yea. I like that strategy. But in Brawl they'd all team up against you. Even high skilled players will team up against people that actually try to play the game.

 

[The Real Gamer]

I never understood the appeal of Basic Brawl in the first place. Whether you're a casual or a pro Smash is at its absolute best when you have people next to you that you can goof around or talk smack with.

Maybe it's just me but playing free for alls with a bunch of randoms online ruins a lot of what makes Smash amazing.

 

[LancerStaff]

I never understood the appeal of Basic Brawl in the first place. Whether you're a casual or a pro Smash is at its absolute best when you have people next to you that you can goof around or talk smack with.

Maybe it's just me but playing free for alls with a bunch of randoms online ruins a lot of what makes Smash amazing.

It's for friendless people like us.
It's a strange thing to be sure. It's less of a fighting game and more of a weird social game where you can't communicate with words.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Removing the option to taunt online is the only way I see at completely removing it. It's not like taunts add much to online play either way.

 

[LancerStaff]

Removing the option to taunt online is the only way I see at completely removing it. It's not like taunts add much to online play either way.

DeDeDe crouch parties and Captain Falcon PAWNCH parties.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

DeDeDe crouch parties and Captain Falcon PAWNCH parties.

At least it's better than 3 Sonics going "C'MON STEP IT UP"

But you're right though. I guess it's as simple as avoiding free for all matches in general.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

Wait, what exactly are taunt parties?

 

[smashbro29]

Yea. I like that strategy. But in Brawl they'd all team up against you. Even high skilled players will team up against people that actually try to play the game.

Go down playing or sit around mashing the dpad. Your choice.

 

[Cap'nChreest]

Wait, what exactly are taunt parties?

In basic brawl people will treat the game like some kind of cosplay. They will crouch a lot or taunt for no reason. Then they will do other stuff that isn't fighting. If you see two players crouch next to each other than you know they've teamed up. Anyone who joins the room and attacks anyone in a taunt party gets teamed up on by all of the players. Even players that are really good will 3v1 people. When they kill you they will taunt. If it ends in sudden death they will taunt then SD. Most online rooms will devolve into some kind of 3v1 or 2v1v1. This makes it hard to find a good match. They are very difficult to beat. I find that the only way to beat them is to be Meta knight or have items like mega mushroom and FS on. But even then its a low chance of winning then you get crapped on like you suck. But in reality it takes three of them to beat you.

Sakurai even talks about taunt parties http://www.polygon.com/2013/3/13/40...mash-bros-brawl-online-isnt-exactly-thrilling

 

[metaknave]

The only reason I even participated in taunt parties was the awful lag online had. I couldn't fight even if I wanted to. Hopefully Smash 4 has much lass lag so I can actually fight and not continuously say "You're too slow!"

 

[Terrazi Terrajin]

As always, the solution would simply be a good matchmaking system.

Which this game won't have, just like brawl.

 

[Cap'nChreest]

The only reason I even participated in taunt parties was the awful lag online had. I couldn't fight even if I wanted to. Hopefully Smash 4 has much lass lag so I can actually fight and not continuously say "You're too slow!"

You dirty rat... jk. I've done it too lol. I stopped though. The only thing is if I notice that it becomes a 3v1 then I'll fight against the majority to try and make it fair.

 

[guedes the brawler]

I'd pick jigglypuff and carefully rest on them.

Or do a hit-and-run with Fox or Sonic.

 

[Tollhouse]

Yea. I like that strategy. But in Brawl they'd all team up against you. Even high skilled players will team up against people that actually try to play the game.

That's why it's fun. I love joining the taunt team to beat up the player who's attacking us. Who the hell fights in smash bros anyway? Assholes, that's who.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Taunt parties are a terrible thing in Brawl. We need to stop them in Smash 4 before they ruin online for that game too.

Taunt parties exist because Brawl's online ****ing sucks. They don't bother to actually play the game since it's impossible on a competitive level.
I don't think they'll appear as much in Sm4sh. But again, I don't really care since I'm going to play online only if there's something to unlock. Local multiplayer all the way.

 

[D-idara]

As always, the solution would simply be a good matchmaking system.

Which this game won't have, just like brawl.

Disgustingly negative much?

 

[DraginHikari]

I don't really understand why this is a problem or a concern that has to be addressed. Just seems like an annoyance and not much else.

 

[Cap'nChreest]

Taunt parties exist because Brawl's online ****ing sucks. They don't bother to actually play the game since it's impossible on a competitive level.
I don't think they'll appear as much in Sm4sh. But again, I don't really care since I'm going to play online only if there's something to unlock. Local multiplayer all the way.

I don't mind the online. Lag is annoying but I can still play the game. It doesn't really get me mad. It is pretty difficult to play the game competitively though. but I can still try right? I'd like to play local multiplayer too just I'm pretty much the only person I know that plays smash. CPU's are too easy.

I'd pick jigglypuff and carefully rest on them.

Or do a hit-and-run with Fox or Sonic.

I wish that worked but they just feed each other kills to reset their damage. So you are left with high percents while they chase you down and kill you on smaller stages.

 

[APC99]

Please remove these.

I got sucked into one, and my first thought was to begin my Homing Attack as Sonic. Then, the 3 Kirbys began to attack. It was horrible.

Maybe there can be separate rooms for serious matches and casual matches? I dunno.

 

[Renji64]

I never had that issue stopped playing basic brawl after i noticed the ruleset.

 

[Pazzo.]

I don't really think it's that big of an issue, but if Sakurai wants to end it, he could create rooms for people to join. That way, people could create a "Taunt Party" room and a "1VS1" room.

 

[Terrazi Terrajin]

Disgustingly negative much?

It's the way Sakurai + the Wii & Wii 2 have trained me.

 

[DaDavid]

There's literally zero reason to think the match-making system won't be better this time around. Nothing of Brawl's level has come from Nintendo or Bamco in the years following it's launch, so what exactly is the worry?

 

[D-idara]

It's the way Sakurai + the Wii & Wii 2 have trained me.

I get you're trying to make a stupid, tasteless joke, but it's Wii U, and the Wii had some games that had a great online experience, like Mario Strikers and Mario Kart Wii. Sonic & All-Stars Racing has great online, and Nintendo has shown interest in adapting the online medium into their games, like with the Miiverse integration on Super Mario 3D World.

Also, unfortunately, online communities will always have griefers, and there's not much that can be done to them without harming the real players.

 

[LancerStaff]

There's literally zero reason to think the match-making system won't be better this time around. Nothing of Brawl's level has come from Nintendo or Bamco in the years following it's launch, so what exactly is the worry?

Sakurai hates any and all ranking systems, and if you could taunt in KIU there'd be taunt parties there also.

 

[DaDavid]

Sakurai hates any and all ranking systems, and if you could taunt in KIU there'd be taunt parties there also.

Not seeing the reason that the lack of a ranking system instantly means a bad match-making system, or your point about KI:U. Like D-idara said, there will always be griefers, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the match-making which would make it easier to avoid such people.

 

[LancerStaff]

Not seeing the reason that the lack of a ranking system instantly means a bad match-making system, or your point about KI:U. Like D-idara said, there will always be griefers, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the match-making which would make it easier to avoid such people.

Match making and rankings go hand-in-hand. There's absolutely no matchmaking or rankings in KIU, and it shows. You'll be fighting noobs who don't even understand how to use powers one minute, and the next you'll be in a room full of OHKO weaponry.

 

[Pékaßlu]

Just join the party or leave i hate when people ruin the fun D:

 

[DaDavid]

Match making and rankings go hand-in-hand. There's absolutely no matchmaking or rankings in KIU, and it shows. You'll be fighting noobs who don't even understand how to use powers one minute, and the next you'll be in a room full of OHKO weaponry.

KI:U worked out well thanks to the point value of weapons, and honestly neither I nor most people I've known that have the game have had more than a few bad match ups in there. Having "OHKO weaponry" doesn't amount to all that match if the players isn't good.

It wasn't a perfect system, but it certainly isn't as inconsistent as you seem to suggest, at least not in my opinion.

 

[LancerStaff]

KI:U worked out well thanks to the point value of weapons, and honestly neither I nor most people I've known that have the game have had more than a few bad match ups in there. Having "OHKO weaponry" doesn't amount to all that match if the players isn't good.

It wasn't a perfect system, but it certainly isn't as inconsistent as you seem to suggest, at least not in my opinion.

Value has nothing to do with any matchmaking. And I can handle OHKO weaponry just fine, I'm just pointing out how matchmaking is completely random. Anybody who's played for a decent amount of time will tell you that.

 

[Deleted member]

The online mode was killed thanks to these.
Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do to prevent them; we can either leave or just join in.
It really comes down to how Sakurai will handle the Wi-Fi mode. Thankfully, he knows about the Taunt Parties and hopefully there will be some revisions to prevent them. Even then... I'm not too confident.
I'll probably play with some friends over Wi-Fi when it comes down to it.

 

[Ryan.]

Haha, oh taunt parties. I do hope the online experience for playing with anybody is a lot better this time. I think it will be.

 

[smashbro29]

The online mode was killed thanks to these.
Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do to prevent them; we can either leave or just join in.

Or as they all taunt you can hit them.

 

[Big-Cat]

Sakurai hates any and all ranking systems, and if you could taunt in KIU there'd be taunt parties there also.

It's not like he's the only one in charge though. Quite frankly, his reasoning, so that local players wouldn't be bummed out to learn they're not the best, was really really stupid.

Matchmaking needs to happen and I hope someone in the team will override that stupidly naive idealism.

 

[Sonsa]

If they just added rankings or names then many people just wouldn't do it. People only do taunt parties because they're anonymous and lonely. Its sad but if we just had names when fighting and a little rank with history of character usage and stuff it would give actual players something to be thrilled about and lonely people trying to make friends by taunting with people they'll never actually meet a reason to play the game or go outside. *Shrug* Don't mean to sound...mean, I just think an onine identity like fighting games on other systems have would help out.