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Ways to stop roll habits or stubborn approaches?

N7S

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I've only been apart of the competitive Melee scene for about 6 months. Is there a good way to stop bad roll habits or stop stubborn approaches? I wavedash, waveland, and L-cancel just fine when I'm practicing, but when I get to a real match in tournament, I get into really bad roll habits and start approaching with the same approaches. I know I'm going to get bodied my first couple tournaments (only been to 2), but I want to break this habit quickly so when I get my butt kicked I don't feel upset about myself knowing I could've done better in those situations. Is it jitters or just a long learning process?
 
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Approach differently. The opponent knows how you will approach next if you always do the same one. Know what kind of approaches you can do. Know what kind of approaches work in what situations. Know what the upcoming situations will be. Know what the opponent thinks they know. Just choose the right approach, even if it's not approaching

Tournament jitters can be gotten used to. Just keep playing in those situations and you'll get used to it. Memory can be state-dependent. We can retrieve memories faster if we're in certain areas where those memories are formed or used often. Training alone in your room is a different setting of memory cues than playing to win surrounded by a lot of people in a venue you're not usually in

Convince yourself that rolling is bad and that you should never roll. You can dodge attacks by spacing well. A while after that, you can start learning the limited uses of it
 

N7S

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Approach differently. The opponent knows how you will approach next if you always do the same one. Know what kind of approaches you can do. Know what kind of approaches work in what situations. Know what the upcoming situations will be. Know what the opponent thinks they know. Just choose the right approach, even if it's not approaching

Tournament jitters can be gotten used to. Just keep playing in those situations and you'll get used to it. Memory can be state-dependent. We can retrieve memories faster if we're in certain areas where those memories are formed or used often. Training alone in your room is a different setting of memory cues than playing to win surrounded by a lot of people in a venue you're not usually in

Convince yourself that rolling is bad and that you should never roll. You can dodge attacks by spacing well. A while after that, you can start learning the limited uses of it
I know I have to mix it up a bit with approaches. I just run into a bad habit of approaching with only two or three approaches. I'm hoping to go to more local tournaments and Smashfests in the future when they host them in my area. I'm just thinking about learning and improving my game for about the first two years or so before trying to go for big goals. Baby steps.
 
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You don't really need a lot of approaches. More correctly, what you need is diversity in them. For example, approaching only with attacks won't work if your opponent waits in shield, ready to grab you. Going for a grab against their shield would be a good choice since grabs work against shields and attacks don't. Observe your opponent's behavior and look for patterns that lead to them shielding, such as being less mobile or still

You can also vary the timing of your approach so that your opponent will be less ready to (pre-emptively) respond

Also, 1 of your characters you play as is Captain Falcon. His approach game is really limited (to nair). Uair sometimes works, but only against aerial opponents. Faking approaches by running around a lot might help your problem. Look for clear openings. You'll need them since most of his moves are low priority

I have no idea how to play to win as the Marios
 

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Mixups are really important in the neutral. It's not easy to get good at, but just keep playing, and you will see some progress. I've seen improvement after a couple of smashfests, so maybe you just need to go find people more often.
 
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