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Wanting to get into Melee..?

Gorebox

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Hey!
So I've been into Smash since I played Brawl as a kid and am now playing Smash 4 for the 3ds as often as I possibly can and loving it. I'm very interested in Melee, but since my old Wii is completely busted I would have to buy a whole new Gamecube to be able to play. So if I wanted to try to get into Melee I would have to spend a lot of money. This wouldn't really be a problem since I have the money, but it's pretty much the only money I have. I'm a huge fan of Smash and would be willing to spend a lot of time with it (as I have friends who play it a lot too) and maybe even play it seriously and competitively some day. I've tried Melee quite a few times and I feel like it's the most solid and fun out of all the games. Is it worth my time and money? Thanks in advance c:
 
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Going to tournaments is an expensive hobby. Each event can cost you venue fee, entry fee, gas fee, and food. The more often you go, the more you'll drain your wallet of cotton paper

Or you could play it more cheaply with friends if at least 1 (ideally the most active of you) has a full setup to play on

Melee's a fun game
 

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Fair enough, I've only played it at conventions and such, none of me and my group of friends actually have a copy or something like that :/

Do you recommend me getting a setup for it then? I'm not sure if I'm interested in playing in tournaments (at least not for now), but I'm pretty hooked on the idea of just playing it
 
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Do you recommend me getting a setup for it then? I'm not sure if I'm interested in playing in tournaments (at least not for now), but I'm pretty hooked on the idea of just playing it
I recommend getting a setup to play it. Going to tournaments can be a way of finding new people to play the game with, but it's not needed to simply play it, even with tournament rules. Your friends can be enough
 

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All you do is get a 2gb SD card then go to your wii then find your Wii's Mac address and enter your Wii's Mac address into http://please.hackmii.com then put all the stuff on the 2 gb SD card then go to messages and find the red message with a bomb then install homebrew then you can find a Wii GC emulator and put it in
Also any computer can drag filess around and put stuff on a SD card so the weak computer thing is no excuse
Here is a way better video guide witch if you can watch you have the specs to hack your Wii
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m70dCXkn1CE
You are not required to do anything after 6:31 but its highly recommended
 

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All you do is get a 2gb SD card then go to your wii then find your Wii's Mac address and enter your Wii's Mac address into http://please.hackmii.com then put all the stuff on the 2 gb SD card then go to messages and find the red message with a bomb then install homebrew then you can find a Wii GC emulator and put it in
Also any computer can drag filess around and put stuff on a SD card so the weak computer thing is no excuse
Here is a way better video guide witch if you can watch you have the specs to hack your Wii
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m70dCXkn1CE
You are not required to do anything after 6:31 but its highly recommended
Okay thanks, I'll look into it ^^
 

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m2k fanboy over here's got the right idea for getting a setup. Make sure you also play on a CRT.

For playing Melee itself, L-cancelling is the first thing I'd recommend practicing. Once you've found a main, research strategies and tactics here on the boards, we've got more than a decade of information.

Welcome to Melee.
 

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Going to tournaments is an expensive hobby. Each event can cost you venue fee, entry fee, gas fee, and food. The more often you go, the more you'll drain your wallet of cotton paper

Or you could play it more cheaply with friends if at least 1 (ideally the most active of you) has a full setup to play on

Melee's a fun game
Yeeeeeeaaaaahhh but you don't have to go to tournaments. I've been playing for a year and have only gone to 3 tournaments, and I play daily. I don't really have anyone to play with except for a friend who comes over maybe once a week. If you have exceptional internet you can do Netplay, but you will pretty much always have 10 frames of lag or so.

The most expensive part for OP would be a copy of Melee, which you can't get for <$100.
 

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Yeeeeeeaaaaahhh but you don't have to go to tournaments.
You have to go to tournies if you want to get good at the game. You could train techskill 24/7, but if you don't play against humans, you won't be any good in neutral, won't be able to pick up on the opponent's habits or read their movement well, will have problems properly implementing tech in a match, will not be able to combo properly or DI well to escape combos, and since you've practiced against CPUs so much, you've probably picked up really bad habits.

tl;dr go to tournies; you can't get very good otherwise.
 
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Yeeeeeeaaaaahhh but you don't have to go to tournaments. I've been playing for a year and have only gone to 3 tournaments, and I play daily. I don't really have anyone to play with except for a friend who comes over maybe once a week. If you have exceptional internet you can do Netplay, but you will pretty much always have 10 frames of lag or so.

The most expensive part for OP would be a copy of Melee, which you can't get for <$100.
Under $100? Pffft!

I can just go to any local game shop that has it, they'll go "This game? You really want it? Get it off our damn shelves then."

No seriously though where the heck are you
 
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You can improve from playing with friends often. It's just that going to tournaments will improve you fastest because there are better players there and more diversity among them. You'll learn more and better faster. Any time spent playing with humans is good
 

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Under $100? Pffft!

I can just go to any local game shop that has it, they'll go "This game? You really want it? Get it off our damn shelves then."

No seriously though where the heck are you
Anywhere else in the world. It was a bit of an exaggeration, but you can't really find copies for under $70 anymore.
 
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Under $100? Pffft!

I can just go to any local game shop that has it, they'll go "This game? You really want it? Get it off our damn shelves then."

No seriously though where the heck are you
When's the last time you asked your local game shop about melee? Might as well take the virtually free disc and sell it online. Check ebay. DEFECTIVE DISCS go for over $20.
 

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When's the last time you asked your local game shop about melee? Might as well take the virtually free disc and sell it online. Check ebay. DEFECTIVE DISCS go for over $20.
Yeah, prices for Melee have increased a lot. Back in 2011 I got an NTSC 1.2 disc on Ebay for about 20$, including shipping and box (but no manual), and a couple of PAL discs for 10-15€ each.
Nowadays PAL copies start at 30€, and NTSC ones at about 40$.
 

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Still waiting for melee HD for wii u to be announced.
 

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You should really get it because 1st you love the series second its a very top selling game so when your done with all of Smash you can sell it for a high price.
 

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My local shop has like two copies of the game, and I bought my copy a long time ago. (Before my Wii DD stopped working)

Really though? Is it getting that expensive? We need to figure out a way to distribute this game before it gets too expensive. After all, Nintendo won't be too happy to know that we'll run mostly off of hacked disks in the future.

I bet some TO's already pirate the game so they don't spend $500 on the game alone.

I've heard there are ways to put a gamecube game on a disk, but requires a modded GCN to play. If we know what these restrictions are, why don't we crack them open? (Making a disk without said restrictions)

The better our profits on the tourneys, the faster we can develop new developmental studies, and grow Melee into a Big Time E-Sport.

I don't really condone piracy, but in this situation, it's almost needed to gain a copy. If Nintendo is still gonna be a stickler over their 15 year old game, why don't they release Melee HD? Or at least announce it? Clearly there were intentions for a Melee Remake at some point (Iwata saying that if Sakurai couldn't work on it, he would Re-Release it for the Wii with updated textures and online play), so why not now?

Hopefully the new president of Nintendo won't be a bat and instate more ridiculous rules.
 

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My local shop has like two copies of the game, and I bought my copy a long time ago. (Before my Wii DD stopped working)

Really though? Is it getting that expensive? We need to figure out a way to distribute this game before it gets too expensive. After all, Nintendo won't be too happy to know that we'll run mostly off of hacked disks in the future.

I bet some TO's already pirate the game so they don't spend $500 on the game alone.

I've heard there are ways to put a gamecube game on a disk, but requires a modded GCN to play. If we know what these restrictions are, why don't we crack them open? (Making a disk without said restrictions)

The better our profits on the tourneys, the faster we can develop new developmental studies, and grow Melee into a Big Time E-Sport.

I don't really condone piracy, but in this situation, it's almost needed to gain a copy. If Nintendo is still gonna be a stickler over their 15 year old game, why don't they release Melee HD? Or at least announce it? Clearly there were intentions for a Melee Remake at some point (Iwata saying that if Sakurai couldn't work on it, he would Re-Release it for the Wii with updated textures and online play), so why not now?

Hopefully the new president of Nintendo won't be a bat and instate more ridiculous rules.
You might want to buy them and sell them online if the game is so cheap there. People are coming from Sm4sh to Melee really frequently (a great problem to have, by the way) and it hasn't been sold new for about 10 years, so supply and demand dictates the price to skyrocket. Were I live, TO's give discounts to people who bring setups to the tourney so that they can afford to use legit copies, but I've seen hacked copies running at tournaments pretty much everywhere I've attended.

Putting copies of Melee on a disk is still pirating (even if you ripped your own disk), so people just boot off of a Wii hard drive or a USB (with a Wii's USB ports) since it's easier and you don't need to make disks or modify hardware. Also, I think if fighting games are considered eSports, Melee is already big time; being in the top 3 games at EVO is a pretty big deal. Nintendo has always left the Melee community alone, and will likely do so until the end of time (unless the new president recognizes $$$ in the Melee community).

On another note, I just re-found this article that I read years ago. This is proof that Brawl (and strong evidence that Sm4sh) were intentionally made to be not competitive:

http://www.1up.com/news/masahiro-sakurai-reflects-super-smash

(And here's a quote if they ever decide to take down the article:)
Masahiro Sakurai Reflects on Super Smash Bros. Melee
"Grueling" and "just too difficult"?
By Kevin Gifford, 12/08/2010

It's been nine years -- jeez, already? -- since Super Smash Bros. Melee was released for the Nintendo GameCube. The multiplayer fighter wound up becoming the GC's #1 release, with over seven million copies sold worldwide, but as designer Masahiro Sakurai explained in his most recent column for Famitsu magazine, development wasn't exactly fun and games.

"On a personal level, Melee had an extremely grueling development cycle," Sakurai wrote. "Some of my other games did, too, but Melee sticks out far ahead of the pack in my mind. I worked on that game for 13 months straight, after all, without a single Sunday or holiday off that whole time. During parts of it, I was living a really destructive lifestyle -- I'd work for over 40 hours in a row, then go back home to sleep for four."

What drove Sakurai through all that work? "I seriously felt like a man on a mission," he said. "With the original [Nintendo 64] Smash Bros., there was no guarantee the game would be well-received at all -- I had my hands full just trying to make it into the completely new sort of fighting game I had in mind. With Melee, though, the previous game did well enough that Nintendo and the character designers knew what I wanted in advance. And I wanted a lot. It was the biggest project I had ever led up to that point -- the first game of mine on disc-based media, the first that used an orchestra for music, the first with 'real' polygon graphics. My staff was raring to go, and we plunged in full-tilt from the start. I pushed myself beyond any limit I could think of because I doubted I'd ever have this sheer amount of work in my hands ever again."

Looking back, nearly a decade on, Sakurai seems proud of Melee overall. "Melee is the sharpest game in the series," he wrote. "It's pretty speedy all around and asks a lot of your coordination skills. Fans of the first Smash Bros. got into it quickly, and it just felt really good to play."

However, he has one particularly deep regret: the game's accessibility level. "I had created Smash Bros. to be my response to how hardcore-exclusive the fighting game genre had become over the years," Sakurai said. "But why did I target it so squarely toward people well-versed in videogames, then? That's why I tried to aim for more of a happy medium with Brawl's play balance. There are three Smash Bros. games out now, but even if I ever had a chance at another one, I doubt we'll ever see one that's as geared toward hardcore gamers as Melee was. Melee fans who played deep into the game without any problems might have trouble understanding this, but Melee was just too difficult."

Accessibility has always been a watchword in Sakurai's design style, and there's little doubt he learned a lot from the Melee development experience. "If we want new people from this generation of gamers to come in," he concluded, "then we need it accessible, simple, and playable by anyone. You can't let yourself get preoccupied with nothing but gameplay and balance details. That's where the core of the Smash Bros. concept lies, not on doggedly keeping the game the way it was before."
 
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You might want to buy them and sell them online if the game is so cheap there. People are coming from Sm4sh to Melee really frequently (a great problem to have, by the way) and it hasn't been sold new for about 10 years, so supply and demand dictates the price to skyrocket. Were I live, TO's give discounts to people who bring setups to the tourney so that they can afford to use legit copies, but I've seen hacked copies running at tournaments pretty much everywhere I've attended.

Putting copies of Melee on a disk is still pirating (even if you ripped your own disk), so people just boot off of a Wii hard drive or a USB (with a Wii's USB ports) since it's easier and you don't need to make disks or modify hardware. Also, I think if fighting games are considered eSports, Melee is already big time; being in the top 3 games at EVO is a pretty big deal. Nintendo has always left the Melee community alone, and will likely do so until the end of time (unless the new president recognizes $$$ in the Melee community).

On another note, I just re-found this article that I read years ago. This is proof that Brawl (and strong evidence that Sm4sh) were intentionally made to be not competitive:

http://www.1up.com/news/masahiro-sakurai-reflects-super-smash

(And here's a quote if they ever decide to take down the article:)
I understand that it is still pirating, but so is Booting off a hard drive. We should strive to be able to use easy to set up copies of the game. Of course, we would have to not distribute them, but if we could make them and take advantage of the still surviving GCNs? Damn, take my money, I wish I could have a melee disk that booted instantly, without having to use a wii, or USB Load it. Time Constraints are getting to be more and more of a problem, so streamlining this process is a priority. Especially for TO's.

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We have locals at a shop near me, and they have about 5 setups. Guess how many of those are Wii's. 5? 3? 2?

Only 1. They've spent a lot of time getting the resources for this, and the ability to use a disk without modifications or paying extra large amounts of money would be a godsend.

They already have copies of the game though, so it doesn't matter. Getting these disks wouldn't help them that much.
 
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Kadano

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My local shop has like two copies of the game, and I bought my copy a long time ago. (Before my Wii DD stopped working)
Oh, there are quite many shops that *have* them, the questions is for what price. More often than not it’s 50$ or more. How much do they ask at your shop? If it’s 30$ or less and the disc is in good condition, you can definitely make profit from reselling them.
 

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Oh, there are quite many shops that *have* them, the questions is for what price. More often than not it’s 50$ or more. How much do they ask at your shop? If it’s 30$ or less and the disc is in good condition, you can definitely make profit from reselling them.
Last time I saw them, it was for like $20. :p

I got my limited edition LoZ Collectors Edition and Master Quest for GCN there, for 20 each. They don't really know much about the value of some of those games.

I wouldn't sell them for profit, I'm just not that kinda guy. I'd much rather donate them to a local scene, so they can get more setups going.
 

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I wouldn't sell them for profit, I'm just not that kinda guy. I'd much rather donate them to a local scene, so they can get more setups going.
Well, I’m neither, but for people tight on money I don’t think it’s something evil to do.
I still have an NTSC 1.2 disc that I was trying to get rid of for what I paid for it back in 2011, but somehow nobody really sent me the 25$ I asked here after all. Maybe the interest for discs isn’t as strong as it seems from the Ebay prices because using .isos on Wii is so easy nowadays.
 

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Well, I’m neither, but for people tight on money I don’t think it’s something evil to do.
I still have an NTSC 1.2 disc that I was trying to get rid of for what I paid for it back in 2011, but somehow nobody really sent me the 25$ I asked here after all. Maybe the interest for discs isn’t as strong as it seems from the Ebay prices because using .isos on Wii is so easy nowadays.
You still have that thing? I'd be glad to take it off your hands. My Melee disk is scratched badly, and I want to be able to play it again. If you can ship to the US East Coast, that'd be amazing.
 

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Melee is fun but has a huuuuuuge skillcap to it. So don't expect to be the next god slayer in a year, or possibly even two years. It takes a lot of practice. A homebrewed Wii is always going to be cheaper than a GameCube and a disk also.

Just install Homebrew Channel (the hardest part, but still not hard), then just put Nintendont and a copy of 20XX tournament edition on your SD or USB device and you're good to go. The Wii is also way easier to carry around than a gamecube.
 

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You still have that thing? I'd be glad to take it off your hands. My Melee disk is scratched badly, and I want to be able to play it again. If you can ship to the US East Coast, that'd be amazing.
Well, getting a Wii and softmodding it will probably be cheaper for you altogether, like Polym3r said. If you still prefer to buy my disc, just shoot me a PM.
 

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Well, getting a Wii and softmodding it will probably be cheaper for you altogether, like Polym3r said. If you still prefer to buy my disc, just shoot me a PM.
Honestly, if I see a copy of the game, I take it usually because it's important to keep a dying (as in sense of production and destruction of game discs) game around.
 
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