Wall of Meteor?

[krazyzyko]

You guys remember the wall of pain technique right?

Wall of Pain (WoP): Jiggypuff’s general strategy is usually focused on the Wall of Pain. This is the repetition of Jiggles high priority air moves, such as her Bair. Like escorting your opponent off screen with a series of jumps and of course aerials.

Well since now in Brawl, characters perform a mid-air jump on top of an opponent that is recovering, &/or in the air, the character below will be meteor smashed!

This upsets me because it will be broken for characters with more than 1 mid-air jump like Jiggz, Pitt, Meta knight, Kirby etc. will be able to just keep double jumping on top of their opponent until they can't reach the stage (even though if they meteor-cancel all the meteors) and then it's possible for the Jiggly(or another multi jumping character) to recover back to the stage.(*wall of Meteor*) after doing that easy BROKEN combo, that should be totally banned after the 1st meteor.....

I hope that I explained myself well, I'll edit if I didn't....

Please post your opinion....

 

[Takeshi245]

You guys remember the wall of pain technique right?

Wall of Pain (WoP): Jiggypuff’s general strategy is usually focused on the Wall of Pain. This is the repetition of Jiggles high priority air moves, such as her Bair. Like escorting your opponent off screen with a series of jumps and of course aerials.

Well since now in Brawl, if characters perform a mid-air jump on top of an opponent that is recovering, &/or in the air, the character below will be meteor smashed!

This upsets me because it will be broken for characters with more than 1 mid-air jump like Jiggz, Pitt, Meta knight, Kirby etc. will be able to just keep double jumping on top of their (wall of meteor?) opponent until they can't reach the stage (even though if they meteor-cancel all the meteors) and then it's possible for the Jiggly(or anyother multi jumping character)) to recover back after doing that easy BROKEN combo, that should be totally banned after the 1st meteor.....

I hope that I explained myself well, I'll edit if I didn't....

Please post your opinion....

Footstool jumping is situational and there are better KO options besides it. They can't chase you after they've footstool jumped because of the lag. Also, it can be meteor-cancelled. Besides, this technique requires you to hit the jump button at the right time and its priority is small so attacks would eat through it. In other words, footstooling is not broken.

 

[krazyzyko]

Footstool jumping is situational and there are better KO options besides it. They can't chase you after they've footstool jumped because of the lag. Also, it can be meteor-cancelled. Besides, this technique requires you to hit the jump button at the right time and its priority is small so attacks would eat through it. In other words, footstooling is not broken.

How do you know about the lag?
It can be spammed on top of a character that has no hit box on their head like Ganon, CF, and Falco charging the fire bird.

 

[Takeshi245]

How do you know about the lag?
It can be spammed on top of a character that has no hit box on their head like Ganon, CF, and Falco charging the fire bird.

Yeah, if they're not doing anything or if they're not spacing or protecting themselves with aerial attacks that eat through footstool jumping. You, like other people on Smash Boards, worry about this game too much.

 

[krazyzyko]

Just that technique man, this my 1st "worriying thread" though.

But I'd like to hear other peoples opinion to see if nobody else other than I think that it's broken.

 

[Exorcist]

I'm sure all the people with multiple jumps will see it better to actually knock them more back with a good knock back attack than a footstool jump, dude. For the frequent footstool spam you'd have to stay on top of the opponent right? Well... what direction do most UpBs go? Yea.

I think footstool jumping won't be broken enough that you seriously go through attacks like Fox's UpB or even Mario's UpB for that manner. It will be good against people who don't know how to Meteor Cancel, and still will be situational because you need a certain moment of time that the person isn't going to UpB in up you're azz.

It's clear that Footstooling will be easier with multiple jumpers, but really now it should only be used to catch you're opponent off gaurd when he never sees it coming. Otherwise smack him more backwards, its better than having to wtfhope for ten billion footstools.

 

[Pyroloserkid]

I'm sure all the people with multiple jumps will see it better to actually knock them more back with a good knock back attack than a footstool jump, dude. For the frequent footstool spam you'd have to stay on top of the opponent right? Well... what direction do most UpBs go? Yea.

I think footstool jumping won't be broken enough that you seriously go through attacks like Fox's UpB or even Mario's UpB for that manner. It will be good against people who don't know how to Meteor Cancel, and still will be situational because you need a certain moment of time that the person isn't going to UpB in up you're azz.

It's clear that Footstooling will be easier with multiple jumpers, but really now it should only be used to catch you're opponent off gaurd when he never sees it coming. Otherwise smack him more backwards, its better than having to wtfhope for ten billion footstools.

Agreed. To spam the Footstool Jump you'd have to stay hovering over your opponent, and I don't think Jiggs and Kirby's 5 jumps are enough. Plus recovery moves don't always go vertical so by knowing that it would also be hard to preform more than one footstool jump at a time.

All in all, I wouldn't worry about people spamming it. It takes precise timing, and I can see it as one of those moves that is seldomly used. Also, it's really risky, because if try to footstool jump someone to get back onto the stage, you better hope they look the other way and not see it coming, because I think an opponent landing on you would be pretty predictable. Just Uair them.

 

[Hong]

I'm sure anti-flinch also applies to effect like Footstool jump, so the characters that deserve to live long (heavy weights) will more likely than not have no problems.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

As far as I can tell (speculation) the footstool jump requires perfect timing, and it isnt an attack, therefore it has no hitbox.

result? situational technique and not easily abused, as most dair spikes / meteors will still be better as they can knock someone out of their up B if timed well, like marth's down air.

Try to footstool an up B recovery and you'll probably phail. and die.

I'm sure anti-flinch also applies to effect like Footstool jump

From what we've heard about the anti-flinch, it occurs during a characters attack, it does not imply the character will not flinch at all times. Thatd be automatic crouch cancelling, and it'd be broken as heck. Sakurai is smarter than that.

 

[bluebomber22]

plus we dont even know if all characters have footstool jumps

 

[Pyroloserkid]

plus we dont even know if all characters have footstool jumps

Yes we do.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

I think footstool jumping won't be broken enough that you seriously go through attacks like Fox's UpB or even Mario's UpB for that manner

Exactly... since it doesnt have a hitbox.

itll be AWESOME overkill though...

imagine you edgehog, your opponent does his up b and is falling to his death, and you step on his head and bounce off him just 'cause

 

[Exorcist]

imagine you edgehog, your opponent does his up b and is falling to his death, and you step on his head and bounce off him just 'cause

Lol, i love doing that as C. Falcon(but with Dair) even more than I love knee'ing.

 

[Pyroloserkid]

Exactly... since it doesnt have a hitbox.

itll be AWESOME overkill though...

imagine you edgehog, your opponent does his up b and is falling to his death, and you step on his head and bounce off him just 'cause

Rofl, I do that in Melee just to be a d*ck. It works awesome if they have one stock left and you have 2 or more. Then you just totally go for a "kamikaze-you-were-going-to-die-anyways-but-I-wanted-to-kill-you-even-harder" .

Footstool Jump = Humiliation.

I love it.

 

[krazyzyko]

Exactly... since it doesnt have a hitbox.

itll be AWESOME overkill though...

imagine you edgehog, your opponent does his up b and is falling to his death, and you step on his head and bounce off him just 'cause

LOL that'll be like some "ceiling of death"

 

[montyalbo]

Maybe the power of the footstool jump will depend on the weight of the character. For example, Jigglypuff, one of the lightest characters, would have a weak footstool jump. While heavy characters, such as Bowser, would have a footstool jump equal to the power of the sun.

 

[Kirby M.D.]

Maybe the power of the footstool jump will depend on the weight of the character. For example, Jigglypuff, one of the lightest characters, would have a weak footstool jump. While heavy characters, such as Bowser, would have a footstool jump equal to the power of the sun.

Hm, that makes sense. I think it'll be a seldom-used trick, or more of an aerial annoyance/combo finisher/humiliation tactic. However, I wonder if a ground-to-air footstool will make a good aerial combat starter?