AthleticNerd93
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I know Tube Tv's are supposed to have 0 input lag but every time I play on one I always feel it is slower than when I play on an HD TV. Any thoughts?
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TV Choice
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ECHOnce
Smash Lord
Try searching the menu settings for a "game mode" option and enable it. TV menu layouts generally stay consistent/similar across products of the sake brand, so you can probably just google search instructions on how to turn on game mode with a [brand] TV for help if you can't find it.
AthleticNerd93
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It Just seems like every tube Tv I play on is just bad.
ECHOnce
Smash Lord
That's rather odd :/ The Smash community generally considers the reverse to be true, which has been proven via testing most brands over the years; the majority of CRTs are simply faster because of...sciency stuff I can't remember off the top of my head.
Have you tried enabling the game-mode in your settings yet?
Have you tried enabling the game-mode in your settings yet?
shairn
Your favorite anime is bad.
CRTs have the least input lag(It's actually completely negligible) because the wii and gamecube send out video in analog, which is supported natively by CRTs, while HDTVs have to convert the analog input to digital before displaying it. This process takes a non-negligible amount of time except on higher end monitors.
I have no idea why you're under the impression they're bad or laggy. Must be an alternate universe or something.
I have no idea why you're under the impression they're bad or laggy. Must be an alternate universe or something.
ECHOnce
Smash Lord
That's probably likely too. I know I suffer from this when I go to tournies or fests with all CRTs, since I practice on an LCD TV
AthleticNerd93
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My experience is i'm used to faster action and the lag is throwing me off.
Celestis
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But CRT would have no lag. So I am pretty sure its an opposite effect of Lag vs no lag. I have felt this before. Unless for some odd reason you have a lagging CRT, then my best guess is just what your reflexes are adjusted to, and most likely they are adjusted to lag.
wiiztec
Smash Journeyman
Your feels are broken
The most likely thing thats throwing you off is switching from a nice crisp image to an image displayed on a curved screen in 4:3.
aside from the whole 'no lag' (which if you have a good tv, is minimal anyway) CRT's are terrible.
only if you have a 32" widescreen CRT with flat glass will it seem close to the quality of an LCD.
aside from the whole 'no lag' (which if you have a good tv, is minimal anyway) CRT's are terrible.
only if you have a 32" widescreen CRT with flat glass will it seem close to the quality of an LCD.
wiiztec
Smash Journeyman
CRT displays are better than LCD's in every single aspect except geometry
geometry being-
Screen size, weight, viewing angle?
so, crts have better visuals? um, nope.
all they have is a general lower input lag.
not to say all ctrs have none. and there are certainly LCD tvs with the lag low enough that it doesnt matter.
ie 1/3 frame slower. not going to make a difference.
not nearly as much as the other **** that goes on in the room.
Screen size, weight, viewing angle?
so, crts have better visuals? um, nope.
all they have is a general lower input lag.
not to say all ctrs have none. and there are certainly LCD tvs with the lag low enough that it doesnt matter.
ie 1/3 frame slower. not going to make a difference.
not nearly as much as the other **** that goes on in the room.
PlateProp
Smash Master
I really dont understand why everyone says there's lag on lcd tvs. I've never noticed a difference between CRT and LCD, and my home tv is an LCD.
Honestly, the whole lag thing probably isint even true anymore, any relatively modern tv(last 4-6 years) should have a chip on board that's powerful enough.
Honestly, the whole lag thing probably isint even true anymore, any relatively modern tv(last 4-6 years) should have a chip on board that's powerful enough.
Modern tv are more powerfull, yes, but they get more features to use that power.
as long as your tv has game mode, and isn't a cheap pos. it should be fine.
what people 'feel' is a combination of unfamiliarity based on a different display, them WANTING to feel lag (aka, posturing) and a good old chunk of placebo.
remember kids. 2 placebo pills cure a patient faster than one. and a placebo injection is even more effective that 2 pills.
the only way to test it, would be to have a device that can add input lag then get players to play 100 or so games on one display. getting their opinions of the lag for each game, and recording the result.
100 people surveyed, i bet we'd get no consistent data for any measurement under 10ms.
as long as your tv has game mode, and isn't a cheap pos. it should be fine.
what people 'feel' is a combination of unfamiliarity based on a different display, them WANTING to feel lag (aka, posturing) and a good old chunk of placebo.
remember kids. 2 placebo pills cure a patient faster than one. and a placebo injection is even more effective that 2 pills.
the only way to test it, would be to have a device that can add input lag then get players to play 100 or so games on one display. getting their opinions of the lag for each game, and recording the result.
100 people surveyed, i bet we'd get no consistent data for any measurement under 10ms.
wiiztec
Smash Journeyman
Geometry being screen geometry, things like overscan etc. they do have better visuals better blacks better contrast ratios, brighter screens, no native resolution, no display lag (different from input lag mind you) and light gun games will work on them
Sounds like you own a **** lcd. Bl.
wiiztec
Smash Journeyman
I don't own any LCD TV's
You should take a look at some 2014 models then, instead of lcds you're describing from 2002 =p
wiiztec
Smash Journeyman
I didn't describe any LCD's
Oh well, perhaps by 20XX technology will have done full circle back to the precious CRT.
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Vashimus
Smash Master
Now you're just being a douche about it.
CRT, as old as it is, is still superior to LCD technology when it comes to gaming. Faster response times, superior color gamut, no motion blur, no pixilation, superior contrast, the list goes on. The main advantages to LCD is that they're cheaper to make, take up less space, and use much less power. Seems to me you've drunk the marketing Kool-Aid one too many times.
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yea, so, obviously its still not good enough, and hopefully it will be as good as CRT by the future...
PlateProp
Smash Master
I really think everyone who claims CRTs are superior to LCD's have really junky ones. Seriously, modern LCD's have no problem with games at all, and anyone thinking they "lag" is halucinating the placebo Narpas described
'placebo' also includes anyone who thinks they can tell the difference between 'dark black' on an good LCD and 'slightly darker black' on a crt.
unless theyre Sterling Archer.
unless theyre Sterling Archer.
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wiiztec
Smash Journeyman
LCD lag is a demonstrable fact
I feel like you're intentionally ignoring the part where we know that a bad LCD has noticeable lag...
the lag on a modern LCD with low latency (talking 6ms) is virtually imperceptible to a human.
that's 1/3 of a frame.
if a device was made to add 6ms of lag to the CRT you use, i bet you wouldn't be able to tell the difference over a good spread of trials.
the 'lag' you'd perceive on an LCD with a latency of 6ms would be placebo/posturing/you not used to a flat screen.
the lag on a modern LCD with low latency (talking 6ms) is virtually imperceptible to a human.
that's 1/3 of a frame.
if a device was made to add 6ms of lag to the CRT you use, i bet you wouldn't be able to tell the difference over a good spread of trials.
the 'lag' you'd perceive on an LCD with a latency of 6ms would be placebo/posturing/you not used to a flat screen.
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Garquille14
Smash Apprentice
there are no documented HDTV LCD's with 6ms lag
http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/
the lowest one here is 18ms and that is a minimum of 18 times the lag of CRT. It could be hundreds times more lag since CRTs have less than 1ms.
of course there's more than just LCDs.
http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/
the lowest one here is 18ms and that is a minimum of 18 times the lag of CRT. It could be hundreds times more lag since CRTs have less than 1ms.
of course there's more than just LCDs.
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Check your facts.
That site uses Leo Bodnar’s Lag Tester, which gives the total time to update the screen, not the difference between a CRT and the test lcd.
The difference can be as low as 6ms.
Also, presenting 18ms as '18 times longer' is stupid.
18ms is still a ****ing tiny amount of time.
A blink is approx 200ms.
Garquille14
Smash Apprentice
I never said it was the difference between CRT and LCD... CRT usually has <1ms, that's why I said that.
wiiztec
Smash Journeyman
It would be 36 times longer actually CRT's take 500µs
PlateProp
Smash Master
Lol no...the lowest was 10ms not 18ms. Even then, I can personally say that there is not ANY noticable lag on LCD's to CRT's
Edit: Or everyone could just learn how to use project m with wii u's. They are releasing the gamecube adapter at the end of the year...
On another side note, apparently people got Gc games running in vWii on wii u, so maybe Melee on wii U will become the standard and we wont have to deal with clunky crts anymore! :D
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