The Usual Scrub Thread

[Hot Toddy]

And here we go. You've probably all seen posts like this before, but I'm not finding the answer I need. I've been playing Melee competitively for a little over half a year now and I have even gone to tournaments. The problem is that I STILL DONT HAVE A SOLID MAIN. A lot of my time went in to Spacies (Mostly Falco) but my fingers are just not fast enough for the tech. I couldn't even double-shine after about a month of practice . Some more of my time went in to Jigglypuff but she just got boring and stale to me. Then I went to Captain Falcon but I couldn't handle his speed and movement correctly. So I switched to Ganon which is where I am now. I've been doing decent with Ganon but I have too much of a hard time fighting his bad matchups (Especially Spacies, CF, and Sheik). I'm liking Ganon but I see him as more of a fun secondary/stylish character. The biggest wall to my choices though, is that I dont want to main the same characters as my friends. Their characters are Peach, Samus, ICs, and Luigi. They have a big advantage on me too because they are dedicated to the character. I'm really looking for some help from you guys since most of you are way more knowledgeable than myself. Any advice on any character is help to me, so please give me your insight. In the meantime I'll be watching Paragon! Thanks for your help!

 

[mythbust4000]

You don't need only one main but try to limit to 2 mains and one of those be high teir

 

[Hot Toddy]

You don't need only one main but try to limit to 2 mains and one of those be high teir

I'm wanting to focus on 1 character as of now though. Ganon will be my Secondary

 

[20YY SS | Saiblade]

Try Marth, he tends to be compatible with a lot of people.

 

[EPsilon933]

The biggest wall to my choices though, is that I don't want to main the same characters as my friends

Why should that matter?

I'm really looking for some help from you guys since most of you are way more knowledgeable than myself. Any advice on any character is help to me, so please give me your insight. In the meantime I'll be watching Paragon! Thanks for your help!

Keep trying (tournament viable 8) characters and learning. Eventually, you'll figure it out. It can take some up to a year. I only say that much because that's how long it took me to find out that Peach was the best character for me. I could be a case example

 

[Hot Toddy]

Why should that matter?

I don't want to main a character that one of my friends mains is because I want to be different and I don't want them to think I'm switching to that character because they'll probably think I'm trying be like the other. We also were going to make a "crew" where we each main a different character.

Keep trying (tournament viable 8) characters and learning. Eventually, you'll figure it out. It can take some up to a year. I only say that much because that's how long it took me to find out that Peach was the best character for me. I could be a case example

This is very helpful. I'll keep this in mind. I've been told by a few people to try out Marth so maybe he's that character.

 

[AirFair]

Yeah I would try one of the higher tier characters.

On another note, aren't you @ShadowzVoid ? I only ask because I follow you on twitter lol

 

[Hot Toddy]

Yeah I would try one of the higher tier characters.

On another note, aren't you @ShadowzVoid ? I only ask because I follow you on twitter lol

Oh yeah
Changed my tag
I'm also having that same exact troubles from a while ago LMAO

 

[20YY SS | Saiblade]

Yeah I would try one of the higher tier characters.

On another note, aren't you @ShadowzVoid ? I only ask because I follow you on twitter lol

I second this.

 

[GenNyan]

A lot of my time went in to Spacies (Mostly Falco) but my fingers are just not fast enough for the tech. I couldn't even double-shine after about a month of practice .

This was my mindset like 6 months ago. I convinced myself "Oh I'm not fast enough to play Fox/Falco... No way..." That is a fundamentally wrong mindset. I kept telling myself this, over and over again. Now I'm a Falco main. Unless you have a severe handicap like arthritis/carpal tunnel, there is no reason you can't main a spacie. Your hands aren't magically different from everyone else's. Multi shining is hard and not even that useful for beginners. Its certainly not the be-all end-all tech.

Stop deluding yourself. If you don't want to play Fox/Falco for a different reason, thats fine, but "I can't learn the tech" isn't remotely true. I'd wager you haven't sat down for more than 10 minutes practicing tech before you gave up and insulted yourself. Don't learn multishines first. Start from the bottom with Short hops, wavedashes, Short hop Lasers, and L-cancels, if you already know those, work on pillaring to help your fingers move faster. Then Waveshining, wavelanding, other miscellaneous tech, and THEN multishines.

This is not meant to be an attack or insult. Merely constructive criticisms.

 

[Hot Toddy]

This was my mindset like 6 months ago. I convinced myself "Oh I'm not fast enough to play Fox/Falco... No way..." That is a fundamentally wrong mindset. I kept telling myself this, over and over again. Now I'm a Falco main. Unless you have a severe handicap like arthritis/carpal tunnel, there is no reason you can't main a spacie. Your hands aren't magically different from everyone else's. Multi shining is hard and not even that useful for beginners. Its certainly not the be-all end-all tech.

Stop deluding yourself. If you don't want to play Fox/Falco for a different reason, thats fine, but "I can't learn the tech" isn't remotely true. I'd wager you haven't sat down for more than 10 minutes practicing tech before you gave up and insulted yourself. Don't learn multishines first. Start from the bottom with Short hops, wavedashes, Short hop Lasers, and L-cancels, if you already know those, work on pillaring to help your fingers move faster. Then Waveshining, wavelanding, other miscellaneous tech, and THEN multishines.

This is not meant to be an attack or insult. Merely constructive criticisms.

The thing is that with Falco I can do everything you named before waveshining. For some reason I just dont play good with Falco and it's really odd.

 

[20YY SS | Saiblade]

This was my mindset like 6 months ago. I convinced myself "Oh I'm not fast enough to play Fox/Falco... No way..." That is a fundamentally wrong mindset. I kept telling myself this, over and over again. Now I'm a Falco main. Unless you have a severe handicap like arthritis/carpal tunnel, there is no reason you can't main a spacie. Your hands aren't magically different from everyone else's. Multi shining is hard and not even that useful for beginners. Its certainly not the be-all end-all tech.

Stop deluding yourself. If you don't want to play Fox/Falco for a different reason, thats fine, but "I can't learn the tech" isn't remotely true. I'd wager you haven't sat down for more than 10 minutes practicing tech before you gave up and insulted yourself. Don't learn multishines first. Start from the bottom with Short hops, wavedashes, Short hop Lasers, and L-cancels, if you already know those, work on pillaring to help your fingers move faster. Then Waveshining, wavelanding, other miscellaneous tech, and THEN multishines.

This is not meant to be an attack or insult. Merely constructive criticisms.

I agree with this. Also, S/Os for maining Falco.

The thing is that with Falco I can do everything you named before waveshining. For some reason I just dont play good with Falco and it's really odd.

Takes a long time to get good with anyone.

 

[Hot Toddy]

I agree with this. Also, S/Os for maining Falco.


Takes a long time to get good with anyone.

That is true but for some reason in tournament I play better with characters I havent practiced as much as Falco. Though that might be because New England is filled to the brim with Falco players and people are better at the matchup. I just have a hard time thinking that I'm getting better when I never see the results of me practicing.

 

[zero sum]

The thing is that with Falco I can do everything you named before waveshining. For some reason I just dont play good with Falco and it's really odd.

have you tried breaking waveshining down into its constituents? shine, then start jumping out of shine, then wavedashing out of shine. waveshining is sort of like wavedashing out of shield if you want to think of it like that. if you can do that, waveshining isn't substantially more difficult. i first started playing a year ago and within twenty minutes of picking up the game and playing falco i could waveshine at least 60-70% of the time. so i never found it terribly difficult but i can see why people would. you just need to practice it. if you want try looking up guides etc.

also what do you mean that you don't play good with falco? is your tech skill off? your neutral lacking? you drop punishes all the time? all of those? all of that comes from practice. just work on movement and everything should come in due time.

marth is also a neat alternative if you want to play another character that none of your friends main.

 

[20YY SS | Saiblade]

have you tried breaking waveshining down into its constituents? shine, then start jumping out of shine, then wavedashing out of shine. waveshining is sort of like wavedashing out of shield if you want to think of it like that. if you can do that, waveshining isn't substantially more difficult. i first started playing a year ago and within twenty minutes of picking up the game and playing falco i could waveshine at least 60-70% of the time. so i never found it terribly difficult but i can see why people would. you just need to practice it. if you want try looking up guides etc.

also what do you mean that you don't play good with falco? is your tech skill off? your neutral lacking? you drop punishes all the time? all of those? all of that comes from practice. just work on movement and everything should come in due time.

marth is also a neat alternative if you want to play another character that none of your friends main.

Good idea, you need to know the basics before you know the advanced stuff. Waveshining is hard to learn, easy to master. Grind it out and it shouldn't be too big of a problem.

 

[Hot Toddy]

I think I'll start to use Marth a little more and continue with Falco as well
After playing them both for a little while I'll decide who I want to focus on. Does that plan sound alright?

 

[Lime Cultivist]

Marth is always a great choice if not spacies.
I had a huge amount of trouble at first with Fox until I started actually doing okay with him.
And it shouldn't deter anyone, but playing spacies for a long time seriously hurts your hands. There are long, dull muscle aches when I try to pick up anything right now with one hand. I don't do anything else that could cause these pains. Not going to stop playing spacies but it kinda sucks.

 

[Jay-R]

GO MARTH!!!!!