I posted this on reddit and figured I should post it here as well
First to clear some things up!
This is NOT a Smoothlander Heavy Gravity post. I know all about it. I think it was a cool idea but in the end, it just doesn't work in my opinion.
Please don't come here to say "Stop trying to make the game like Melee, Smash 4 should be its own game!" This is just being close minded. I play Smash 4 but I still respect the hell out of Melee. How could you not? It is a game that was released about 14 years ago, and is going stronger than ever. I think Melee had a lot of things that are worth replicating, so please, at least TRY this before you make your decision on whether to completely blow it off and judge it negatively.
Okay now for the actual post. Here are the items required, along with their stats, and overall total when combined.
Smooth Lander Brawn Badge +36a/-35d/0s
Default Agility Badge -14a/0d/+21s unlocked by default
Default Protection Badge 0a/+21d/-14s unlocked by default
Total: +22a/-14d/+7s
As mentioned above, both the Protection and Agility Badge is already in yours, and everyone else's game, by default, with the exact same stats. Unlocking the Smoothlander badge is very simple.
How to/easiest method:
• complete 1 round of Crazy orders as villager
or
• complete 100 man smash
Doing one of these will give you a golden hammer, which you can then use to automatically complete the challenge A7 that can be found at the main menu under "challenges". Now you have everything you need! At most, this takes about 5 minutes to unlock.
Now, what exactly does the Smoothlander Badge do? You probably already know that it reduces landing lag off all aerial moves, but by how much?
If you look at Mario's nair, it has 10 frames of landing lag. With Smoothlander (SL) it would reduce it down to 7 frames or in other words a 7th of what it used to be.
Here, you can find your character and all of their normal landing lag frame data
http://smashboards.com/forums/wii-u-3ds-character-discussion.291/
To find the difference SL makes for your character/main, take your your landing lag frame number "x" and plug it in to this equation. Wtf math?! It's not too bad
Ps. I suck at math, and I'm sure there's an easier to figure this out but this is just what I came up with.
( x / 10 ) • 7 = y
For ex. Mario's nair:
10 / 10 = 1 1 • 7 = 7
Mario's nair equals 7 frames with SL.
If your number comes out to be a decimal, then you round up
Mario's uair:
( 12 / 10 ) • 7 = 8.4
So his uair would be 9 frames with SL
Stat Difference.
With both characters are equipped with the SL setup, it increases your attack about 1/3. So an attack that did 10% will now do ~13% and an attack that did 30% will now do ~40% (it goes into a very specific decimal that I'm not sure of)
That's pretty much wraps everything up, the rest is just playing matches and enjoying it. It looks like a great opportunity to expand the game in a new and undiscovered direction.
I know this will open up a few concerns, but hopefully I can answer them or clear things up.
1) Will this completely unbalance the roster?
I believe Smash 4 has the most balanced roster we have ever gotten but it still has some major imbalances. So how much harm will SL actually do to character balance? It's really up to your personal opinion, but how much can this really change the balance? SL could even make it even more balanced, giving characters like bowser a chance, changing his bair of 40 frames down to 28. This question and answer relies entirely on experimenting and simply playing matches with SL equipped. I can not stress how important that is.
2) "I still think this is stupid, why change the game?"
If you're still not on board to even give this a try, that's up to you, and you already know that. All I can say is that I wish you would've given it a chance before turning it down.
3) "How can I practice against people? You can't use equipment on for glory."
No you cannot, but you would practice the same way people are practicing with custom moves on now. I don't know how to setup a group on Smashladder for SL but if anyone that is willing to do that would be AWESOME!
4) "Why only use 1 SL Badge? Or any other equipment?"
This is by far the easiest to unlock along with being the most balanced. Yes, stacking equipment with the same bonus effects stack up, but with the game is now, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to make person to person completely balanced with everyone having their own custom equipment. Trust me, don't even try. As far as other equipment with other bonus effects, again, it won't work. Everyone would have to grind for equipment on top of trying to get the same stats, it would be impossible. The equipment I chose takes ~5mins to unlock, everyone would have the same stats, and you're good to go.
Thank you! Thank you! THANK YOU! For taking the time to check this out and giving it a read. If you have any questions PLEASE ASK! I'll try and clarify. I'm down for discussion as well. That's how stuff like this can grow, by just talking about it. One of the best things you do right now is to go play a match with this setup, right now! Come back a post a recording or give some input on what you thought. Thanks again!
TL:DR you should read it
First to clear some things up!
This is NOT a Smoothlander Heavy Gravity post. I know all about it. I think it was a cool idea but in the end, it just doesn't work in my opinion.
Please don't come here to say "Stop trying to make the game like Melee, Smash 4 should be its own game!" This is just being close minded. I play Smash 4 but I still respect the hell out of Melee. How could you not? It is a game that was released about 14 years ago, and is going stronger than ever. I think Melee had a lot of things that are worth replicating, so please, at least TRY this before you make your decision on whether to completely blow it off and judge it negatively.
Okay now for the actual post. Here are the items required, along with their stats, and overall total when combined.
Smooth Lander Brawn Badge +36a/-35d/0s
Default Agility Badge -14a/0d/+21s unlocked by default
Default Protection Badge 0a/+21d/-14s unlocked by default
Total: +22a/-14d/+7s
As mentioned above, both the Protection and Agility Badge is already in yours, and everyone else's game, by default, with the exact same stats. Unlocking the Smoothlander badge is very simple.
How to/easiest method:
• complete 1 round of Crazy orders as villager
or
• complete 100 man smash
Doing one of these will give you a golden hammer, which you can then use to automatically complete the challenge A7 that can be found at the main menu under "challenges". Now you have everything you need! At most, this takes about 5 minutes to unlock.
Now, what exactly does the Smoothlander Badge do? You probably already know that it reduces landing lag off all aerial moves, but by how much?
If you look at Mario's nair, it has 10 frames of landing lag. With Smoothlander (SL) it would reduce it down to 7 frames or in other words a 7th of what it used to be.
Here, you can find your character and all of their normal landing lag frame data
http://smashboards.com/forums/wii-u-3ds-character-discussion.291/
To find the difference SL makes for your character/main, take your your landing lag frame number "x" and plug it in to this equation. Wtf math?! It's not too bad
Ps. I suck at math, and I'm sure there's an easier to figure this out but this is just what I came up with.
( x / 10 ) • 7 = y
For ex. Mario's nair:
10 / 10 = 1 1 • 7 = 7
Mario's nair equals 7 frames with SL.
If your number comes out to be a decimal, then you round up
Mario's uair:
( 12 / 10 ) • 7 = 8.4
So his uair would be 9 frames with SL
Stat Difference.
With both characters are equipped with the SL setup, it increases your attack about 1/3. So an attack that did 10% will now do ~13% and an attack that did 30% will now do ~40% (it goes into a very specific decimal that I'm not sure of)
That's pretty much wraps everything up, the rest is just playing matches and enjoying it. It looks like a great opportunity to expand the game in a new and undiscovered direction.
I know this will open up a few concerns, but hopefully I can answer them or clear things up.
1) Will this completely unbalance the roster?
I believe Smash 4 has the most balanced roster we have ever gotten but it still has some major imbalances. So how much harm will SL actually do to character balance? It's really up to your personal opinion, but how much can this really change the balance? SL could even make it even more balanced, giving characters like bowser a chance, changing his bair of 40 frames down to 28. This question and answer relies entirely on experimenting and simply playing matches with SL equipped. I can not stress how important that is.
2) "I still think this is stupid, why change the game?"
If you're still not on board to even give this a try, that's up to you, and you already know that. All I can say is that I wish you would've given it a chance before turning it down.
3) "How can I practice against people? You can't use equipment on for glory."
No you cannot, but you would practice the same way people are practicing with custom moves on now. I don't know how to setup a group on Smashladder for SL but if anyone that is willing to do that would be AWESOME!
4) "Why only use 1 SL Badge? Or any other equipment?"
This is by far the easiest to unlock along with being the most balanced. Yes, stacking equipment with the same bonus effects stack up, but with the game is now, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to make person to person completely balanced with everyone having their own custom equipment. Trust me, don't even try. As far as other equipment with other bonus effects, again, it won't work. Everyone would have to grind for equipment on top of trying to get the same stats, it would be impossible. The equipment I chose takes ~5mins to unlock, everyone would have the same stats, and you're good to go.
Thank you! Thank you! THANK YOU! For taking the time to check this out and giving it a read. If you have any questions PLEASE ASK! I'll try and clarify. I'm down for discussion as well. That's how stuff like this can grow, by just talking about it. One of the best things you do right now is to go play a match with this setup, right now! Come back a post a recording or give some input on what you thought. Thanks again!
TL:DR you should read it
