UNDER CONSTRUCTION. I KNOW NEXT-TO NOTHING, SO NESS MAINS (and even other mains) YOUR HELP IS APPRECIATED FILLING THIS IN 
I'm really trying to learn more about matchups and stage choices and stuff, and I thought a thread like this could be helpful to a lot of people. This isn't a thread to discuss matchups, but to post quick info, a sort of one-stop-shop kinda deal. A thread you can go to to get instant info. Not long paragraphs or anything, just organized bulleted info. Key elements of the matchup. Lots of info orgainzed in multiple ways. I don't know much, so you guys can all help filling this in I don't wanna put something in and then have it be wrong or something 
. If you guys don't like the idea, feel free to lock or whatever...
Character Matchups (Credit to Yink for the MU Discussion Thread):
Metaknight
Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1190-1228
Snake
Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1905+
Diddy Kong
Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 2277+ | Ness Board's Discussion Thread
Falco
Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
How to get your hands on his bread:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1036-1128
Ice Climbers
Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
-Chaingrabs
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 423-456
Marth
Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
-Grab release infinite on Ness
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading:
Wario
Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 151-158 | 1324-1385
King DeDeDe
Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 946-992
Pikachu
Matchup: 50-50
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 517-545
Olimar
Matchup: 55-45
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 472-495
Lucario
Matchup: 50-50
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1807-1891
Mr. Game & Watch
Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: Ness Board's Discussion of G&W
Pit
Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 373-421
Toon Link
Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 133-141
Zero Suit Samus
Matchup: 55-45
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 323-364
Kirby
Matchup: 50-50
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 267-322
R.O.B.
Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 579-684
DK
Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 167-194 | 549-578
Peach
Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 16-34
Fox
Matchup: 60-40
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 918-946 | Fox Board's Discussion of Ness
Luigi
Matchup: 50-50
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1247-1324
Wolf
Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: Ness Board's Discussion Of Wolf
:shiek: Shiek :shiek:
Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 237-251 | 1408-1417
Red
Matchup: 50-50 (Squirtle: 40-60)(Ivysaur 60-40)(Charizard 50-50)
What to watch out for:
-Squirtle has grab release on Ness
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading:
Sonic
Matchup: 50-50
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 142-149
Bowser
Matchup: 60-40
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
-Trap him in PK Fire with a PK Fire lock
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1129-1189 | Bowser Board's Discussion of Ness
Lucas
Matchup: 60-40
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 3-15 | Lucas Board's Discussion Of Ness
Ike
Matchup: 55-45
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 34-45 | 457-470 | 501-513
Yoshi
Matchup: 55-45
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1453-1487
Mario
Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 46-96
Captain Falcon
Matchup: 60-40
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 824-916 | Captain Falcon Board's Discussion of Ness
Samus
Matchup: 60-40
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 99-131, 159-166 | Samus Board's Discussion of Ness
Jigglypuff
Matchup: 60-40
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1230-1245 | Jigglypuff Board's Discussion of Ness
Zelda
Matchup: 50-50
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 195-228
Link
Matchup: 55-45
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 229-235
Ganondorf
Matchup:
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 13851408
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(60-40) Good Advantage (60-40):
Fox
Red (Ivysaur)
Bowser
Lucas
Captain Falcon
Samus
Jigglypuff
(55-45) Advantage (55-45):
Olimar
Zero Suit Samus
Ike
Yoshi
Link
(50-50) Neutral (50-50):
Pikachu
Lucario
Kirby
Luigi
Red (Charizard)
Sonic
Zelda
(45-55) Disadvantage (45-55):
Diddy
Falco
Ice Climbers
Pit
R.O.B.
DK
Peach
Wolf
Mario
(40-60) Bad Disadvantage (40-60):
Metaknight
Snake
Wario
Marth
King DeDeDe
Mr. Game & Watch
Toon Link
Red (Squirtle)
Sheik
- - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - -
Stages
Battlefield
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
- Platforms allow for my PSI mag wavebounce insanity.
- Platforms make FH PK Fire (moving backwards is best way) fire a bolt and land quickly.
- Platforms allow for an easier way of chasing people down with PK Thunder, but not easy PKT2 on the ground.
- PK Flash cancels with platform.
- Solid stage
Final Destination
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
- Flat (Don't pick against CGers)
- PKT2 unhindered.
- Not as easy to juggle with pkt.
- No platforms= no awesome stuff.
- Wavebounce magnet works slightly better here than elsewhere in moving away from the opponent.
- Keep away from opponents who like flat, undisrupted stages.
- PK Fire works great both FH and grounded.
Smashville
Good, average, or bad for Ness?: Good.
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
- Easily ness' best neutral. Uncontested.
- Moving platform helps recovery
- Moving platform assists with psi magnet wavebounce shenanigans, FH PK Fire landing (have to time it so you land on it when it starts moving away from opponent), lure/bait/mind**** kills, and more.
- No dumb FD stuff under ledge, making it easy to inverted or just vertical pkt2 back to ledge.
- Snake is mean here with the c4...
- Still a relatively flat stage, so continue to watch out for cg'ers and other people who like flat stages.
- Easier to attack with the platform to assist you by it moving around. (always think of the platform; it helps both to retreat and get to approaching... Also getting behind opponent).
Yoshi's Island (Brawl)
Good, average, or bad for Ness?: Bad
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
- **** SHY GUYS!!!!!
- **** walls!!!
- The random platform is awesome
- Stage restricts PK Fire on the ground, but it's actually much easier to hit with than one would think.
- Platform screws over FH PK Fire.
- Ledges are nice.
- Not great overall...
Lylat Cruise
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Castle Siege
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Battleship Halberd
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Delfino Plaza
Good, average, or bad for Ness?: Good.
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Frigate Orpheon
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
PictoChat
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Pirate Ship
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Pokemon Stadium 2
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Brinstar (Melee
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Jungle Japes (Melee)
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Rainbow Cruise (Melee)
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
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So yeah hopefully you guys like the idea (and get that it's not just a clone of the MU thread though it may seem like it) so um... yeah... feel free to let me know if stuff should be added/deleted. Oh and I'm pretty good about updating info, I'll (try to) update multiple times per day. Gotta get more involved here
- - -
Credits so far:
Eagleye893
I'm really trying to learn more about matchups and stage choices and stuff, and I thought a thread like this could be helpful to a lot of people. This isn't a thread to discuss matchups, but to post quick info, a sort of one-stop-shop kinda deal. A thread you can go to to get instant info. Not long paragraphs or anything, just organized bulleted info. Key elements of the matchup. Lots of info orgainzed in multiple ways. I don't know much, so you guys can all help filling this in
I don't wanna put something in and then have it be wrong or something . If you guys don't like the idea, feel free to lock or whatever...Character Matchups (Credit to Yink for the MU Discussion Thread):
Metaknight Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1190-1228
Snake Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1905+
Diddy Kong Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 2277+ | Ness Board's Discussion Thread
Falco Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
How to get your hands on his bread:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1036-1128
Ice Climbers Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
-Chaingrabs
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 423-456
Marth Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
-Grab release infinite on Ness
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading:
Wario Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 151-158 | 1324-1385
King DeDeDe Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 946-992
Pikachu Matchup: 50-50
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 517-545
Olimar Matchup: 55-45
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 472-495
Lucario Matchup: 50-50
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1807-1891
Mr. Game & Watch Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: Ness Board's Discussion of G&W
Pit Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 373-421
Toon Link Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 133-141
Zero Suit Samus Matchup: 55-45
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 323-364
Kirby Matchup: 50-50
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 267-322
R.O.B. Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 579-684
DK Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 167-194 | 549-578
Peach Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 16-34
Fox Matchup: 60-40
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 918-946 | Fox Board's Discussion of Ness
Luigi Matchup: 50-50
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1247-1324
Wolf Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: Ness Board's Discussion Of Wolf
:shiek: Shiek :shiek:
Matchup: 40-60
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 237-251 | 1408-1417
Red Matchup: 50-50 (Squirtle: 40-60)(Ivysaur 60-40)(Charizard 50-50)
What to watch out for:
-Squirtle has grab release on Ness
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading:
Sonic Matchup: 50-50
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 142-149
Bowser Matchup: 60-40
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
-Trap him in PK Fire with a PK Fire lock
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1129-1189 | Bowser Board's Discussion of Ness
Lucas Matchup: 60-40
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 3-15 | Lucas Board's Discussion Of Ness
Ike Matchup: 55-45
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 34-45 | 457-470 | 501-513
Yoshi Matchup: 55-45
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1453-1487
Mario Matchup: 45-55
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 46-96
Captain Falcon Matchup: 60-40
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 824-916 | Captain Falcon Board's Discussion of Ness
Samus Matchup: 60-40
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 99-131, 159-166 | Samus Board's Discussion of Ness
Jigglypuff Matchup: 60-40
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 1230-1245 | Jigglypuff Board's Discussion of Ness
Zelda Matchup: 50-50
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 195-228
Link Matchup: 55-45
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 229-235
Ganondorf Matchup:
What to watch out for:
What you should try to do/avoid doing:
Take them to:
Avoid playing on:
Further reading: 13851408
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(60-40) Good Advantage (60-40):
Fox
Red (Ivysaur)
Bowser
Lucas
Captain Falcon
Samus
Jigglypuff
(55-45) Advantage (55-45):
Olimar
Zero Suit Samus
Ike
Yoshi
Link
(50-50) Neutral (50-50):
Pikachu
Lucario
Kirby
Luigi
Red (Charizard)
Sonic
Zelda
(45-55) Disadvantage (45-55):
Diddy
Falco
Ice Climbers
Pit
R.O.B.
DK
Peach
Wolf
Mario
(40-60) Bad Disadvantage (40-60):
Metaknight
Snake
Wario
Marth
King DeDeDe
Mr. Game & Watch
Toon Link
Red (Squirtle)
Sheik
- - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - -
Stages
Battlefield
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
- Platforms allow for my PSI mag wavebounce insanity.
- Platforms make FH PK Fire (moving backwards is best way) fire a bolt and land quickly.
- Platforms allow for an easier way of chasing people down with PK Thunder, but not easy PKT2 on the ground.
- PK Flash cancels with platform.
- Solid stage
Final Destination
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
- Flat (Don't pick against CGers)
- PKT2 unhindered.
- Not as easy to juggle with pkt.
- No platforms= no awesome stuff.
- Wavebounce magnet works slightly better here than elsewhere in moving away from the opponent.
- Keep away from opponents who like flat, undisrupted stages.
- PK Fire works great both FH and grounded.
Smashville
Good, average, or bad for Ness?: Good.
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
- Easily ness' best neutral. Uncontested.
- Moving platform helps recovery
- Moving platform assists with psi magnet wavebounce shenanigans, FH PK Fire landing (have to time it so you land on it when it starts moving away from opponent), lure/bait/mind**** kills, and more.
- No dumb FD stuff under ledge, making it easy to inverted or just vertical pkt2 back to ledge.
- Snake is mean here with the c4...
- Still a relatively flat stage, so continue to watch out for cg'ers and other people who like flat stages.
- Easier to attack with the platform to assist you by it moving around. (always think of the platform; it helps both to retreat and get to approaching... Also getting behind opponent).
Yoshi's Island (Brawl)
Good, average, or bad for Ness?: Bad
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
- **** SHY GUYS!!!!!
- **** walls!!!
- The random platform is awesome
- Stage restricts PK Fire on the ground, but it's actually much easier to hit with than one would think.
- Platform screws over FH PK Fire.
- Ledges are nice.
- Not great overall...
Lylat Cruise
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Castle Siege
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Battleship Halberd
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Delfino Plaza
Good, average, or bad for Ness?: Good.
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Frigate Orpheon
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
PictoChat
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Pirate Ship
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Pokemon Stadium 2
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Brinstar (Melee
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Jungle Japes (Melee)
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
Rainbow Cruise (Melee)
Good, average, or bad for Ness?:
Stuff to be aware of on this stage:
- - - - - -
So yeah hopefully you guys like the idea (and get that it's not just a clone of the MU thread though it may seem like it) so um... yeah...
feel free to let me know if stuff should be added/deleted. Oh and I'm pretty good about updating info, I'll (try to) update multiple times per day. Gotta get more involved here - - -
Credits so far:
Eagleye893
