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XDaDePsak

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Mark Twain

The Lowest Animal

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FYI:
The following selection, although written in 1896, was not published until long after his death, in a collection called Letters from the Earth (1962)
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[essay]

I have been studying the traits and dispositions of the "lower animals" (so-called), and contrasting them with the traits and dispositions of man. I find the result humiliating to me. For it obliges me to renounce my allegiance to the Darwinian theory of the Ascent of Man from the Lower Animals; since it now seems plain to me that the theory ought to be vacated in favor of a new and truer one, this new and truer one to be named the Descent of Man from the Higher Animals.
In proceeding toward this unpleasant conclusion I have not guessed or speculated or conjectured, but have used what is commonly called the scientific method. That is to say, I have subjected every postulate that presented itself to the crucial test of actual experiment, and have adopted it or rejected it according to the result. Thus I verified and established each step of my course in its turn before advancing to the next. These experiments were made in the London Zoological Gardens, and covered many months of painstaking and fatiguing work.

Before particularizing any of the experiments, I wish to state one or two things which seem to more properly belong in this place than further along. This is in the interest of clearness. The massed experiments established to my satisfaction certain generalizations, to wit:

I. That the human race is of one distinct species. It exhibits slight variations-in color, stature, mental caliber, and so on-due to climate, environment, and so forth; but it is a species by itself, and not to be confounded with any other.

2. That the quadrupeds are a distinct family, also. This family exhibits variations-in color, size, food preferences and so on; but it is a family by itself.

3. That the other families-the birds, the fishes, the insects, the reptiles, etc.-are more or less distinct, also. They are in the procession. They are links in the chain which stretches down from the higher animals to man at the bottom.

Some of my experiments were quite curious. In the course of my reading I had come across a case where, many years ago, some hunters on our Great Plains organized a buffalo hunt for the entertainment of an English earl-that, and to provide some fresh meat for his larder. They had charming sport. They killed seventy-two of those great animals; and ate part of one of them and left the seventy-one to rot. In order to determine the difference between an anaconda and an earl-if any-I caused seven young calves to be turned into the anaconda's cage. The grateful reptile immediately crushed one of them and swallowed it, then lay back satisfied. It showed no interest in the calves, and no disposition to harm them. I tried this experiment with other anacondas; always with the same result. The fact stood proven that the difference between an earl and an anaconda is that the earl is cruel and the anaconda isn't; and that the earl wantonly destroys what he has no use for, but the anaconda doesn't. This seems to suggest that the anaconda was not descended from the earl. It also seemed to suggest that the earl was descended from the anaconda, and had lost a good deal in the transition.

I was aware that many men who have accumulated more millions of money than they can ever use have shown a rabid hunger for more, and have not scrupled to cheat the ignorant and the helpless out of their poor servings in order to partially appease that appetite. I furnished a hundred different kinds of wild and tame animals the opportunity to accumulate vast stores of food, but none of them would do it. The squirrels and bees and certain birds made accumulations, but stopped when they had gathered a winter's supply, and could not be persuaded to add to it either honestly or by chicane. In order to bolster up a tottering reputation the ant pretended to store up supplies but I was not deceived. I know the ant. These experiments convinced me that there is this difference between man and the higher animals: he is avaricious and miserly, they are not.

In the course of my experiments I convinced myself that among the animals man is the only one that harbors insults and injuries, broods over them, waits till a chance offers, then takes revenge. The passion of revenge is unknown to the higher animals.

Roosters keep harems, but it is by consent of their concubines; therefore no wrong is done. Men keep harems, but it is by brute force, privileged by atrocious laws which the other sex were allowed no hand in making. In this matter man occupies a far lower place than the rooster.

Cats are loose in their morals, but not consciously so. Man, in his descent from the cat, has brought the cat's looseness with him but has left the unconsciousness behind-the saving grace which excuses the cat. The cat is innocent, man is not.

Indecency, vulgarity, obscenity-these are strictly confined to man; he invented them. Among the higher animals there is no trace of them. They hide nothing; they are not ashamed. Man, with his soiled mind, covers himself. He will not even enter a drawing room with his breast and back naked, so alive are he and his mates to indecent suggestion. Man is "The Animal that Laughs." But so does the monkey, as Mr. Darwin pointed out; and so does the Australian bird that is called the laughing *******. No-Man is the Animal that Blushes. He is the only one that does it-or has occasion to.

At the head of this article* we see how “three monks were burnt to death" a few days ago, and a prior “put to death with atrocious cruelty." Do we inquire into the details? No; or we should find out that the prior was subjected to unprintable mutilations. Manwhen he is a North American Indian-gouges out his prisoner's eyes; when he is King John, with a nephew to render untroublesome, he uses a red-hot iron; when he is a religious zealot dealing with heretics in the Middle Ages, he skins his captive alive and scatters salt on his back; in the first Richard's time he shuts up a multitude of Jew families in a tower and sets fire to it; in Columbus's time he captures a family of Spanish Jews and-but that is not printable; in our day in England a man is fined ten shillings for beating his mother nearly to death with a chair, and another man is fined forty shillings for having four pheasant eggs in his possession without being able to satisfactorily explain how he got them. Of all the animals, man is the only one who is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it. It is a trait that is not known to the higher animals. The cat plays with the frightened mouse; but she has this excuse, that she does not know that the mouse is suffering. The cat is moderate-unhumanly moderate; she only scares the mouse, she does not hurt it; she doesn't dig its eyes, or tear off its skin, or drive splinters under its nails-man-fashion; when she is done playing with it she makes a sudden meal of it and puts it out of its trouble. Man is the Cruel Animal. He is alone in that distinction.

The higher animals engage in individual fights, but never in organized masses. Man is the only animal that deals in that atrocity of atrocities, War. He is the only one that gathers his brethren about him and goes forth in cold blood and with calm pulse to exterminate his kind. He is the only animal that for sordid wages will march out, as the Hessians did in our Revolution, and as the boyish Prince Napolean did in the Zulu war, and help to slaughter strangers of his own species who have done him no harm and with whom he has no quarrel.

Man is the only animal that robs his helpless fellow of his country-takes possession of it and drives him out of it or destroys him. Man has done this in all the ages. There is not an acre of ground on the globe that is in possession of its rightful owner, or that has not been taken away from owner after owner, cycle after cycle, by force and bloodshed.

Man is the only Slave. And he is the only animal who enslaves. He has always been a slave in one form or another, and has always held other slaves in bondage under him in one way or another. In our day he is always some man's slave for wages, and does the man's work; and this slave has other slaves under him for minor wages, and they do his work. The higher animals are the only ones who exclusively do their own work and provide their own living.

Man is the only Patriot. He sets himself apart in his own country, under his own flag, and sneers at the other nations, and keeps multitudinous uniformed assassins on hand at heavy expense to grab slices of other people's countries, and keep them from grabbing slices of his. And in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood off his hands and works for "the universal brotherhood of man"-with his mouth.

Man is the Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion-several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself, and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven. He was at it in the time of Caesars, he was at it in Mahomet's time, he was at it in the time of the Inquisition, he was at it in France a couple of centuries, he was at it in England in Mary's day, he has been at it ever since he first saw the light, he is at it today in Crete-as per the telegrams quoted above*-he will be at it somewhere else tomorrow. The higher animals have no religion. And we are told that they are going to be left out, in the Hereafter. I wonder why? It seems questionable taste.

Man is the Reasoning Animal. Such is the claim. I think it is open to dispute. Indeed, my experiments have proven to me that he is the Unreasoning Animal. Note his history, as sketched above. It seems plain to me that whatever he is he is not a reasoning animal. His record is the fantastic record of a maniac. I consider that the strongest count against his intelligence is the fact that with that record back of him he blandly sets himself up as the head animal of the lot: whereas by his own standards he is the bottom one.
In truth, man is incurably foolish. Simple things which the other animals easily learn, he is incapable of learning. Among my experiments was this. In an hour I taught a cat and a dog to be friends. I put them in a cage. In another hour I taught them to be friends with a rabbit. In the course of two days I was able to add a fox, a goose, a squirrel and some doves. Finally a monkey. They lived together in peace; even affectionately.

Next, in another cage I confined an Irish Catholic from Tipperary, and as soon as he seemed tame I added a Scotch Presbyterian from Aberdeen. Next a Turk from Constantinople; a Greek Christian from Crete; an Armenian; a Methodist from the wilds of Arkansas; a Buddhist from China; a Brahman from Benares. Finally, a Salvation Army Colonel from Wapping. Then I stayed away two whole days. When I came back to note results, the cage of Higher Animals was all right, but in the other there was but a chaos of gory odds and ends of turbans and fezzes and plaids and bones and flesh-not a specimen left alive. These Reasoning Animals had disagreed on a theological detail and carried the matter to a Higher Court.

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For many centuries "the common brotherhood of man" has been urged-on Sundays-and "patriotism" on Sundays and weekdays both. Yet patriotism contemplates the opposite of a common brotherhood.
Woman's equality with man has never been conceded by any people, ancient or modern, civilized or savage.

Mark Twain has a very valid point. Man is the lower animal... ethically... in a sense.
 

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I love the way Mark Twain mocks religion. <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />

The very fact that man has invented "ethics" demonstrates that he is the only one morally deviant enough to worry about it. <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />

Basically I agree.
 

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The only thing Twain doesn't mention is our superior menatal capacities... which we use for lesser purposes though...
 

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Yep, to prove that all you have to do is look at the internet. The internet (not made by Al Gore, that big Liar!) would never have taken off if it wasn't for porn. The internet started out, and still is, ninety percent porn. Yep, for every new site that goes up, whether for business or personal whatever, nine porn sites go up at the same time. The only reason the internet is what it is today is because of our lust for porn. That should really show what we are using our "increased mental abilities" on. Not world peace, not feeding the hungry, not anything important, just porn.

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i wonder why "the lowest animal" has the power to exterminate or save all life on earth...
 

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Because we are the only ones evil enough to want to kill everything, Gilgamesh. <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />
And don't be silly, we don't have the power to save jack. Just kill stuff.
 

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twain was a true cynic, but his criticism was not undeserved. men have done (and continues to do) some shameful things. but people are not all evil. it is our ego and sense of self that makes us evil. no other creature on this planet has an ego, and no other creature on this planet is as destructive and cruel (generally) as man. religion does play a huge role in the way man acts, and twain states that "He is the only animal that has the True Religion-several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself, and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight." but this is looking at theology from a purely western standpoint. eastern theology (Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.) generally (there are always exceptions) are not violent and dont kill each other for not believing the right "true religion". twain has a lot of insight, but its a very western viewpoint. but back to the whole ego bit, when man gets rid of his ego, there is no need for violence and hatred. christians can relate this to the story of adam and eve eating from the tree of knowledge. the fruit gave them a sense of self, and christians know this is bad, yet nothing is done to remove that ego. alright, thats enough for tonight.
 

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Man is unique. Twain here has focused on the negative, and I certainly agree. But man is unique in that we have potential. We have the potential to do good or to do evil. So far, evil has been more prevalent, but the good still exists. We are the only race that can progress itself. Maybe one day we'll progress to where people stop doing the evil stuff.
*cue the music* "Imagine all the people..."
Oh dear, sorry, I reverted into ignorant idealist mode for a second. No, I think the ideal is possible, but highly unlikely. Nevertheless I think man can improve. Who knows. We need to find a non-polluting, renewable energy source. And eliminate religion. And take a more proactive foreign policy, someday. And plenty of other things.

Anyway, that's all I have to say about that.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by jameslocke:
<strong> but people are not all evil. it is our ego and sense of self that makes us evil. no other creature on this planet has an ego, and no other creature on this planet is as destructive and cruel (generally) as man.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">In essence, that would make us the top of the evil bracket... pure evil. Aside from that, the Bible tells us we are born evil...maybe because we touch our mothers privates as we are born... which leads me to my next point... C SECTIONS GET YOU INTO HEAVEN!!!!
 
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I had thought about this, although not so in-depth, and had a few arguments with my Christian friends about animals and their exclusion from heaven.

I completely agree with it... humans have done some really bad things. The relatively few good things barely stack up.

Hey, I was a C Section baby...
 

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> We need to find a non-polluting, renewable energy source. And eliminate religion. And take a more proactive foreign policy, someday. And plenty of other things. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">i agree with the energy and foreign policy part of that, but i again i see the confusion between religion and christianity that is so common on this forum. they are not one in the same. there are actually non-violent, non-preaching, non-miracle ridden theologies out there. christianity may not be the best thing for US society, but look at the far east and see some religion that isnt at all like christianity at all. my point is, please dont interchange christianity with religion.
 

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<img border="0" alt="[Shy Guy]" title="" src="graemlins/shyguy.gif" /> it wont be long until man kills everything off <img border="0" alt="[Shy Guy]" title="" src="graemlins/shyguy.gif" />
 

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">"I was aware that many men who have accumulated more millions of money than they can ever use have shown a rabid hunger for more, and have not scrupled to cheat the ignorant and the helpless out of their poor servings in order to partially appease that appetite."</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">*cough*BillGates*cough*

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">But so does the monkey, as Mr. Darwin pointed out; and so does the Australian bird that is called the laughing *******. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The ******ed word is j a c k a s s, fyi.

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Why is the word "c e n s o r e d" blocked out? Treget?
 

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by PorCorpWis:
<strong>Because we are the only ones evil enough to want to kill everything, Gilgamesh. <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />
And don't be silly, we don't have the power to save jack. Just kill stuff.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">as sad as this may sound, we have the options to do both. and man isn't naturally evil, or at least not more evil than your average animal out there.

what's the point on this pesimism?
 

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What can we save Gilgamesh? We can save men from killing each other? We can save animals from being killed by cars and traps and other man made devices? No, those things wouldn't be there in the first place if it weren't for man. The only real example of man "saving" any life would be saving an animal from a natural disaster or something, but that's extremely rare compared to everything else.

On the other hand, man does a great job of killing a lot of stuff.

I never said humans were inherently evil, but humans are the ONLY animals with the capability to be evil.
 

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really? if one came to define evil, even nature itself would have quite some evil aspects.

and all what i said was that human HAS the potential of saving as much, if not more, as he has the one of destroying. it's only that the latter is easiest and more seducing.
 

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the human species is much more dangerous, because we are much more intelligent....It is the same as comparing a baby with an adult...the baby is of pure innocence, while the adult is of otherwise...so you could say that man's intelligence is good and bad at the same time...
 

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&gt;&gt;really? if one came to define evil, even nature itself would have quite some evil aspects.&lt;&lt;
It depends on how to define evil. If you use religion, society, or some artifical means to define it, then sure, nature isn't going to follow all of the rules like "killing is bad." However, killing is a natural thing. The correct way to define "evil" would need to have the underlying assumption that animals which act out of instinct cannot have the ability to be evil. Actions can never be evil, only the thoughts leading to them, and instinctual animals are not capable of that kind of rational thought...

&gt;&gt;and all what i said was that human HAS the potential of saving as much, if not more, as he has the one of destroying.&lt;&lt;
Yeah, you've said that repetedly, but you haven't backed it up. What can mankind "save" that wouldn't have been in danger in the first place if it weren't for mankind?

&gt;&gt; it's only that the latter is easiest and more seducing.&lt;&lt;
The latter is the only one which we have the capability to do. There's nothing here to "save." For something to be saved, it has to be in danger first.

What do you think mankind should do in its quest to "save" as much as it destroys? Lock all the animals up in cages so they don't kill each other? Hide them from their natural environments so that natural disasters don't kill them? Sounds great to me. Or we could try not killing them, if that counts as saving.

"Here, I'm going to murder you... oh wait, now I'm not. There, I just saved your life."
 

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******ed. Woah, it really is *** out!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> "I was aware that many men who have accumulated more millions of money than they can ever use have shown a rabid hunger for more, and have not scrupled to cheat the ignorant and the helpless out of their poor servings in order to partially appease that appetite."
*cough*BillGates*cough* </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Actually they just donated 20 Billion to help third world contries in the east. Woah. It was on the cover or Time.

Anyways, about the topic at hand: Humans are "sinful" by nature, no? Is that not what it says in the Bible? Although we have the power to do good and evil, we DO choose more evil than good. If we chose more good than evil our world would be a much better place than this.

Another interesting note: Humans are the only species to study themeselves. Hmmm....
 

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We do more evil than good? I guess once again it depends on your perspective of evil. Either way i'm still inclined to disagree. I think perhaps maybe the people w/ the most influence are more disposed towards 'evil' and what not. Like the saying power corrupts. But i think it's not only a false statement to say man does more evil than good, but an impossible one. We'd have long ago destroyed ourselves if this was the case. (not that we're not on that path now) The average person does not kill, ****, cheat, or steal. My point being that if the average person contributed more "bad" than "good" in their life time, the human race as a species probably wouldn't survive another generation.
Again it comes down to your definition of 'evil', and the fact that good and evil aren't considered equal. For all we know maybe ther'es a perfect balance of both, and just like human beings have the capacity for both- the billions on this planet have evened themselves out. Leaders like Ghandi arise just like leaders like Stalin arise. Sure you could argue far more tyrants arise than "Ghandi's", but how would you know? Evil always gets more publicity, and good deeds go virtually forgotten. Let's say america donates tons of food and medical supplies to africa saves millions of lives- but who cares really? Someone runs a plane into a building killing a couple thousand and now the 9/11 attacks are forever remembered. Good things are overlooked, simply because the majority of it is expected to exist in a functional society, wheareas anything bad or "evil" is against the norm and destructive. If everyone was more disposed to the latter- like i said earlier we wouldn't make it another generation, it just wouldn't be possible. If anything, i think we are more pre-disposed towards good, which is offset by the occasional serial killer or somehing. Either way, the potential for both makes us far more advanced than any other creature on this planet.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by PimpLuigi:
<strong>We do more evil than good? I guess once again it depends on your perspective of evil. Either way i'm still inclined to disagree. I think perhaps maybe the people w/ the most influence are more disposed towards 'evil' and what not. Like the saying power corrupts. But i think it's not only a false statement to say man does more evil than good, but an impossible one. We'd have long ago destroyed ourselves if this was the case. (not that we're not on that path now) The average person does not kill, ****, cheat, or steal. My point being that if the average person contributed more "bad" than "good" in their life time, the human race as a species probably wouldn't survive another generation.
Again it comes down to your definition of 'evil', and the fact that good and evil aren't considered equal. For all we know maybe ther'es a perfect balance of both, and just like human beings have the capacity for both- the billions on this planet have evened themselves out. Leaders like Ghandi arise just like leaders like Stalin arise. Sure you could argue far more tyrants arise than "Ghandi's", but how would you know? Evil always gets more publicity, and good deeds go virtually forgotten. Let's say america donates tons of food and medical supplies to africa saves millions of lives- but who cares really? Someone runs a plane into a building killing a couple thousand and now the 9/11 attacks are forever remembered. Good things are overlooked, simply because the majority of it is expected to exist in a functional society, wheareas anything bad or "evil" is against the norm and destructive. If everyone was more disposed to the latter- like i said earlier we wouldn't make it another generation, it just wouldn't be possible. If anything, i think we are more pre-disposed towards good, which is offset by the occasional serial killer or somehing. Either way, the potential for both makes us far more advanced than any other creature on this planet.

-Pimp</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">beh. but explain that to porcorpwis.

such pesimism...
 

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PorCorpWis's point is that without humans existing in the first place, there would be no need for "good" because the world would go on in peaceful harmony without interference. Man's only "good" is preventing the evil of other men. Which for the most part is true. But what if an asteroid comes along to destroy the Earth, and man is developed enough to divert it? Would that not be a good deed which saved the world? So yeah, I'm not really making a point here, just bringing some stuff up.
I don't really agree with PCW, but I at least see his point.
And you, Gilgy, I don't know what you're talking about. As a Christian, you should believe that all humans are sinners, in which case all humans are evil. So I don't think you should talk about pessimism.

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that's funny B, i almost mentioned a meteorite type example similar to yours in my post, but figured i wouldn't make it any longer than it had to be.
I'll go back and read porcorp's reasoning, and holla back- but i have a feeling it is merely going to be a difference in what perspectice concerning what we both see as "evil".
 

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Stop looking at the mood of my posts and ascribing me opinions that I don't really have, Pimp. I never said that the average person does more evil than good, that mankind was evil, or any stupid stuff like that. You don't get what I'm saying in the least.
 

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No one has mentioned that chimpanzees make war on both the other chimpanzee tribes and baboons in their areas. This isn't because they're low on food or even hungry. They go out in their packs and beat other chimps to death.
There is an isolated group of chimps who act kind of like Buddists. They take care of each other (like dolphins) and they do not eat meat. They love everything and everyone.
I have an article here in front of me called "Chimps Rocked On." It discusses a recent archaeological find in Africa of a Chimp site. The Chimps had "transported suitable pieces of stone to the undated site and used them to crack open nuts placed on thick tree roots..." There are plenty of case of Chimps still doing this in western Africa.
The point of all this is to show that we not unique in the way our mind works. We have the curiosity of most other mammals. We show caring, warmth, and sadness like other mammals and we make war like most Chimps. We don't know that we are the only creature to ponder life's great imponderables, we'd have to ask the gorillas, chimps, etc. to know that.

I don't think we are predominantly evil. If we were, we would have died out tens of thousands of years ago.

Also, us deflecting a meteorite away from our planet isn't necessarily an act of good will, but rather an act of survival. If it was someone else's home, then it'd be a good deed.
 

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I never said that people are predominantly evil... the average person is good... my only point was that humans don't have the ability to "save" anything that wouldn't already be "saved" if humans weren't here in the first place. It has nothing to do with how you define good/evil.

I was only saying this in responce to Gilgamesh saying that we have the potential to do as much good as evil. The human race as a whole has almost nothing but a negative effect on the planet- I don't think we've saved it from any giant meteorites yet.

Pimp, we aren't even arguing about the same thing. I'm talking about the collective effect of the human race on the planet earth, whereas you are talking about individuals.
 

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by PorCorpWis:
<strong>Stop looking at the mood of my posts and ascribing me opinions that I don't really have, Pimp. I never said that the average person does more evil than good, that mankind was evil, or any stupid stuff like that. You don't get what I'm saying in the least.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">lol, who said i was even talking to you? maybe you think i'm out to get you or something, i don't know, but i'm not. I didn't even refer to you until B and Gilgamesh both mentioned you, after which i said i'd go back and read your post, as nothing you said particularly stuck out in my memory. Actually it was B, who assumed i was somehow responding to you when i wasn't. My first post in this thread was a general reply to the topic at hand- why you think youre so special as to get a special response from me you're mistaken. I hadn't distinguished what you'd said out of any of the other replies before my own post. Anything i "ascribed" to you, is purely in your head junior.

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Now how was I supposed to know that you weren't talking to me... you SOUNDED like you were talking to me... even Gilgamesh thought you were talking to me... and as for your superiority complex, "junior," you're nothing but a ******* among thousands of *******es at this board.
 

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Relax, PCW. No one was refering to you in their posts. Think happy thoughts and all will be well. Ahh...Happy thoughts...Happy thoughts. See, all better now. :)
 

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I think Gilgamesh needs to respond with some answers that have depth, not just quotations of other peoples posts.

I completely agree with mark twain, minus one fact. I dont think humans have evolved into the lower animal, I think we've made ourselves into the lower animal. We are gifted with free choice. we are gifted with a brain that allows us to view aspects on other levels than birds, dogs, and cats. We see things as benefiting us and we know that we have the capacity to do things for ourselves and for our benefit.

I think its our knowledge that can attribute to this. With our capacity to think on another plane comes the downfall of all these things that Twain mentioned. I think its the other species lack of intelligence. Anacondas don't eat the other calves or kill them because they are concentrating on the fact that they are full and set then. They don't plan ahead to the meal that they will eat in another week, and slaughter another cow. Their minds are so simplistic that they don't think in terms of the past or the future, they think in terms of the now.

Humans, however, have the ability to judge what will happen and what they will need in the future. So they prepare for it. Sometimes, we user our minds in a bad way...i.e...killing eachother because we have different beliefs. I don't think it's fair to say that Twain understood the human mind or psyche, he just understood what actions we were taking against eachother based on his observations. Those do provide ample evidence though.

I think a key to realizing where we came from would be to actually learn how the mind thinks. Learn why it does certain things. Learn why it developes differently in people and why it developes different characteristics--such as selfishness, kindness, greed, charity--in each and every person.

On some sides, I do agree with Twain. Humans have the capability to be so much more than we are now. But competition is healthy. Humans compete against eachother to run the world. That's what keeps us going. If we all just got along, our system might not be what it is today. (granted it isn't all that great). I honestly don't think most humans realize the potential that they have. Even the--classified--"stupidest people" on the earth have intelligence greater than almost 90% of all animals living on this earth. That has to mean something.

In the end, once we realize our potential, maybe things will change. Once we ALL realize our potential, then things will definitely change. Until then, the "savagery" and "greed" and "self awareness" will continue in all humans.

I also like how he made religion seem as though it was fake. I agree with that completely--seeing as my opinion is that religion is a force used to mass control populations. I think the wars we've had over religion definitely reinforce his ideas of how incredibly stupid the human race can be. I guess we can only leave things up to ourselves (which Twain doesn't see as very promising) to see how we, the human species, as "the lower animal", can deal with our lives and our intelligence in the future.
 

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Before anyone goes Twain-bashing, remember this is a satire and not pessimism. It was made to bring new perspective to things.

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Gilgamesh seriously wants to get banned from this room. Don't ever do that again, gil.

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I guess everyone agrees Evil is derived from knowledge, but knowledge isn't nessecarily evil. The Bible also brought this point up. When Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge (of good and evil), they became tainted...unpure...sinners.

Thinking can be a sin. You don't have to do something for it to be an evil, according to the Bible, anyways...

Christians say they love everyone, but this is not the case. Though they like to pretend they do, so as not to contradict themselves and the bible.
 

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E=mc^2

Here's a simple equation i just devised:

Knowledge=Power, Power=Evil, so Knowledge=Evil.

We can't help it.
 

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Hah, this topic is old. I can look back on posts from when I was less mature. Anyway, that's a good equation X.
 

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While the lowest animal is the Human, the lowest human are muslim, and the lowest muslim is sadam hussien... then again he's not a true muslim, because unlilke other muslims, he wants to take over the world, while the others just want the prophecy to come true*.

*palestine conquers isreal leading to the end of the world. basically muslims WANT the world to end, and unlike those ******** christians, they don't want an invisible man to do it for them, they want to destroy it themselves to fulfil prophecy and their religion.
 
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