The Great Depression

[Hairbrother]

The CG sucks and now I hate life. It's like I hate all other characters in this game. I actually think I might quit. Seriously.

For those who don't know prepare for your life to suck. Ness and Lucas can be infinitely chaingrabbed by some characters because of a long breaking out of grab animation.

wtf... seriously wtf...

 

[Smashbros_7]

I know how you feel. But imagine Ness or Lucas! They feel even worse!

 

[Aggression]

i have no idea what you are talking about

The CG sucks and now I hate life. It's like I hate all other characters in this game. I actually think I might quit. Seriously.

CG?

post extender

 

[Psymon]

Um.....what? Probably the worst post on here. Care to explain? Psy.

 

[Smashbros_7]

Um you don't know? HA! I wish I was like you. Unaware. basically you can Chain grab Lucas (or Ness) forever.

 

[steviep]

chain grabbing
basically you can get screwed over by any of the characters that can do it

ahhh smashbros 7 got the post before me

 

[orintemple]

chain grabbing
basically you can get screwed over by any of the characters that can do it

ahhh smashbros 7 got the post before me

Any character can do it. It is just normal grab attacks into a regrab, but it goes forever. I had just started picking up Ness too, which sucks. I will still use him for friendlies, but I am not so sure about him ever being a tourney character now, although he is only like my 5th character anyway.

 

[Tyr_03]

I'm terribly depressed as well. About to just quit Brawl altogether because of it. But we'll see.

 

[Shibby]

I'm not giving up on Lucas!

Just don't play flat stages! >.>;

 

[Aggression]

I'm terribly depressed as well. About to just quit Brawl altogether because of it. But we'll see.

what are you talking about? if you smash the stick around they both can jump out of the infinite grab into the air, the computers do it
only extremely fast characters can do it, and even then its hard to pull off perfectly every time
besides the earthbounders are always in the air, why does it even matter?
its no where near infinite, and in online matches the slight lag destroys chain grabs
plus im sure infinites will be banned from tourney play and smashbrawlrankings
so it kind of doesnt matter...

why would they allow unfair infinites like the ness/lucas deaths or the IC infinite back throw?

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

what are you talking about? if you smash the stick around they both can jump out of the infinite grab into the air, the computers do it
only extremely fast characters can do it, and even then its hard to pull off perfectly every time
besides the earthbounders are always in the air, why does it even matter?
its no where near infinite, and in online matches the slight lag destroys chain grabs
plus im sure infinites will be banned from tourney play and smashbrawlrankings
so it kind of doesnt matter...

why would they allow unfair infinites like the ness/lucas deaths or the IC infinite back throw?

No it's infinite. It's been tested to the moon and back. You can't smash DI and you can't jump out of it if they continue to pummel fast enough. And so far, it looks like it's not going to be banned.

 

[Trapt497]

@ Agression:
^^You don't understand. This is a major issue with Lucas/Ness mains.

Check out this thread before you post about this again:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=166765

Then tell us what you think of it then. It has been concluded that more than half of the characters can do this infinite with the correct timing. Even bowser. Bowser is definetly not one of the 'extremely fast characters.'

And to claim that the "earthbounders are ALWAYS in the air" is a ridiculous claim.

Check out that thread please.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

I think..that there might still be hope if we can use Ness and Lucas as counter-pick characters on specific chain-grab unfriendly stages, making them the most speciallised characters in the game.

 

[JhMS]

Yep,this is just bull....way to go Nintendo.
And lol at the people that said Melee had too many glitches.Brawl glitches are far worse.

 

[Trapt497]

Nessbounder, what do you mean speciallized (how does this make them so speciallized)? And why would it have to be counter pick?

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Nessbounder, what do you mean speciallized (how does this make them so speciallized)? And why would it have to be counter pick?

By speciallised I mean that they have to be on very specific stages against very specific characters.

And if you don't counter-pick as Ness or Lucas, you run the risk of being counter-picked yourself.

Aevin was telling me that at a recent tournament he went to, he fought an opponent who immediately counter-picked Marth against his Ness/Lucas duo and beat him with this chain grab.

If you play as a secondary character to begin with, and maybe bait out a certain counter-pick from your opponent (a safe character for Ness/Lucas) then you could counter-pick Ness or Lucas for the final match (out of 3) and then your opponent won't have the option to pick a character who can chain throw them.

For instance, I start the match using Lucario and win the first battle. The opponent then changes his character to Pikachu and beats me for the second round. For the third round, I then use Ness or Lucas because I know that Pikachu can't chain throw them.

But then again, I don't know how the counter picking process works.

 

[Earthbound360]

I repeatedly said this throughout the day and I'll say it again

Life sucks

 

[Shibby]

Please edit thread title to

The Great Depression...

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

This is how I imagine the Ness and Lucas boards at the moment.

(Remember guys, read manga from right to left!)

*tasu tasu*

 

[Tyr_03]

If this doesn't get banned I'm quitting Brawl. I've stayed through the destruction of dash dancing, wavedashing, decent L cancelling, ledge cancelled aerials, combos and everything else I held dear in Melee. I've stayed through the invention of tripping and stupidly easy sweetspots. I've stayed through the ridiculous influx of scrubs who never played Melee competitively and think that they're pros at Brawl. But if this stupidly easy and destructive move is not banned, it will be the last straw. There will be absolutely no competitive reason to play Brawl.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

If this doesn't get banned I'm quitting Brawl. I've stayed through the destruction of dash dancing, wavedashing, decent L cancelling, ledge cancelled aerials, combos and everything else I held dear in Melee. I've stayed through the invention of tripping and stupidly easy sweetspots. I've stayed through the ridiculous influx of scrubs who never played Melee competitively and think that they're pros at Brawl. But if this stupidly easy and destructive move is not banned, it will be the last straw. There will be absolutely no competitive reason to play Brawl.

Oh come on now. Brawl is fine except for this in my opinion. I'll miss Ness and Lucas the most, but Lucario and Wolf will tide me through.

I really can't go back to Melee. I love the feel of Brawl way too much.

 

[Tyr_03]

^^^
I respect your opinion but strongly disagree. I find Brawl inferior to Melee in many ways. The one thing that attracted me to Brawl was the idea that it could be more balanced. And this chaingrab destroys that.

 

[ICANTCOUNT123456]

I don't get it. IC can chaingrab 0-death ANYONE, and it's banned, but of coarse, now it's ok? **** this. WELL, I GUESS TILL SSB4 GUYS.

 

[ParanoidDrone]

Could someone please tell me I'm not the only one who doesn't get the manga posted?

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Could someone please tell me I'm not the only one who doesn't get the manga posted?

In that part of the manga, Maka asked Chrona to write a poem to make her feel better. It ended up being so depressing that everyone who saw it huddled into a corner.

In my view, this news about the chain grab is kind of like Chrona's poem. Even the most carefree and bright Ness player (Black Star in this case) is going to be effected negatively by this news.

 

[Hairbrother]

This sucks, thats about it. Pretty soon everyone who has competitive hopes will move on to a different character or quit.

 

[Looper]

In that part of the manga, Maka asked Chrona to write a poem to make her feel better. It ended up being so depressing that everyone who saw it huddled into a corner.

In my view, this news about the chain grab is kind of like Chrona's poem. Even the most carefree and bright Ness player (Black Star in this case) is going to be effected negatively by this news.

what a drag

 

[Trozz]

There will be absolutely no competitive reason to play Brawl?
Just don't use Lucas/Ness vs everyone in a tournament.

 

[Trapt497]

^^ Trozz speaks the truth.

You guys are so **** pessimistic. I am fighting this and I dont even main ness while most of you are quitting. I third ness. THIS IS NOT CHANGING!!!

This sucks, thats about it. Pretty soon everyone who has competitive hopes will move on to a different character or quit.

Oh yeah? You think so? You really think that every **** ness/lucas main/pro/fan in the ENTIRE world is just gonna quit like you are? Huh? Dont exagerate or overgeneralize sir. You'll see. Simna won't give up. Earthbound360 isnt giving up. You'll see. There are still fans out there that are more loyal and committed than you are.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Loyal and committed is all fair and well, but I dislike playing as a flawed character due to my perfectionalist personality.

Anyway, it turns out the chain grab on Lucas isn't nearly as bad as for poor Ness. So I don't think I'll need to change mains after all. ^_^ I'm just going to have to get very comfortable with my secondary.