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The big switcheroo

GaryCXJk

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* WARNING *

The following is purely speculation. It may or may not be in, but it is expected from you that you won't scream bullcrap like "IT WON'T BE IN IT LOLZ NICE TRY THO", because, as I stated, it's purely a what if. It has a high chance it won't be in Brawl. Anyone who fails to notice this is a douche.


Well, with the update of two weeks ago we've got a semi-Sheik. But doesn't it make you think?

Face it, we now have two confirmed shape-shifters, and one who might be a former shape-shifter (but there is just a very molecular chance that Sheik might return after all). So, what does this say?

Basically... nothing. For all we know we won't be able to start out as ZSSamus, we won't be able to use Charizard as our starter pokémon. However, what if...

What if Sakurai has figured it all out, what if he's playing mind-games. There is a possibility for ZSSamus to return to armored Samus, by the use of a BACON. It could be a streight-forward one like ZSSamus calling up her gunship and then jumping in it, donning her armor again. It could also be a big mind-game where Sakurai confirms Dark Samus, and later shoves her off as ZSSamus' BACON, by use of the Rage mode. Then, Dark Samus can turn into Samus again by a Phazon discharge.

But anyway, the big point is, how will Sakurai allow us to start as ZSSamus? He could pull off a Sheik-trigger, by letting us hold a specific button.

But then you would be screwed with the Pokémon Trainer, who has three Pokémon. So, how do we do this one?

First of all, Sakurai wanted to keep the character select screen a secret. We don't know if there are additional icons for each player, plus, it's still in development phase. So far Sakurai gave us nothing with the update about names, except that it's just as limited as in Melee. But it did show that what we've seen for each player... was all.

Now, what's the point of this? I just wanted to point out something that could debunk the following thing I'm writing. For anyone who has forgotten what this specific update was, visit this link.

Now, it could be that you have to unlock this ability for some transforming characters. This could already save the idea below from the point stated above. So, what would be the idea? A special button, somewhere on the player tab, which allows you to change characters, without holding some ridiculous button combination. Right above or below the character, you would see a set of icons which would specify with which character you would love to begin with. The character portrait will also change.

A less tedious way would be to use a certain button to change the starter on the fly. This does mean that you wouldn't have to click a certain icon to change your character, as stated above. But how could it work?

Basically, on the character select screen, we would need these buttons:

  • Something to move the cursor
  • A confirmation button (to confirm your choices)
  • A cancel button (to return the chooser ball to your hand, or to return to the menus)
  • A button to initiate the stage select screen
  • Something to alter the costume, preferably two buttons

So, that makes at least four buttons, but preferably five. Now, let's see how many buttons each controller has.

The GameCube controller has eight buttons (not including the D-pad, analog stick and c-stick). The Classic controller addon has ten buttons (not including the D-pad, analog sticks and Home button). The Wiimote with Nunchuck addon has eight buttons (not including the D-pad and analog stick). The Wiimote itself has six buttons (not including the D-pad).

Now, a way to alter between the different alternate characters would be to require one additional button. Just one press of a button changes your changeable character into another character. For each control type this is possible, even if you want two buttons to alter the costume.

So, what does this post lead to? Maybe some speculations about ZSSamus, or about Sheik, but mostly, how in the friggen hell devil's name Jesus Christ Bob Saget are we able to start out as friggen Charizard? Will this be possible? It's not unlikely.
 

WarxePB

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An interesting theory, for sure. I'm of the opinion that there'll be an option while choosing characters to select Zamus/Ivysaur/Charizard/any other transformations, but yours might work.
 

Pyroloserkid

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This is my idea for Pokemon Trainer:

When you choose him, at the bottom where your player rectangle is, it has the Pokemon trainer with a Pokemon infront of him, and the other two on his sides. By pressing the costume change button, it'll actually change where the pokemon stand. This way, you can choose which Pokemon is standin infront of you, which would be your starter.


Is this confusing? I could try and reword it.
 

Leobenmc

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Just as you could pick your team in Melee, I'm thinking you can pick your starter. Maybe you click the Picture in the Character Panel at the bottom, and it changes. I don't think you need any extra buttons. I think Alternative Costumes for Pokémon Trainer are a Must Pyroloserkid though.
 

dan smith

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OMG THIS WAS SO BORING TO READ. Who cares? What's the problem? She'll probably have a "rediculous button combination" that you have to push.

Oh no! Holding a button is so re-slam-dunkulous.

...and why would PT have the choice of whom starts out? My understanding, with the defined monster progression, was that you would have to start with Squirtle.

If not...maybe you'll have to hold one of two different buttons. Once again...it's not a big deal!
 

Pyroloserkid

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OMG THIS WAS SO BORING TO READ. Who cares? What's the problem? She'll probably have a "rediculous button combination" that you have to push.

Oh no! Holding a button is so re-slam-dunkulous.

...and why would PT have the choice of whom starts out? My understanding, with the defined monster progression, was that you would have to start with Squirtle.

If not...maybe you'll have to hold one of two different buttons. Once again...it's not a big deal!
If you think this thread is pointless and a waste of your life. Don't post here.
Congrats on the +1 post count though.

-Sorry for useless spam everyone.
 

Sudai

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I don't see the point of being forced to pick which transformation you want to pick before the fight. Is it so hard to hold a single button down when the stage is picked?

Samus + A = ZSS

PT + Null = Squirtle
PT + A = Ivysaur
PT + B = Charizard
(or something similar)

A lot more simple, a lot more realistic, and a lot better looking character select screen.

Not to mention the benefit it would provide PT or any other transformable in tournaments with advanced slobs. Say you pick Samus and your opponent picks someone who counters Samus, but is countered by ZSS, bam insta transform without the other person knowing in time to change characters.
 

burrito

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Zamus could still be a separate selectable character from Samus. It just that when you get a smash ball, it forces you to switch characters.
 

ChaosSqueak

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My guess would be that the costume changes would determine the starting Pokemon, and the last costume would be the Female Pokemon Trainer, with the same thing going on, it would make sense to me, at least, so you don't get ***** up your behind trying to get into the right Pokemon.
 

MzNetta

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I stopped reading when you said 'BACON' and spelled 'Straight' wrong.
 

Pyroloserkid

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I stopped reading when you said 'BACON' and spelled 'Straight' wrong.
Yeh, I kind of just ignored it because I was bored and wanted to discuss something, and this is KIND OF interesting. But some people aren't posting very intelligently and this thread is getting annoying.

Also, "streight" ..that just...wow.
 

GaryCXJk

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Douches.

Not everybody here is fricken AMERICAN OR ENGLISH.

If you think it's "tl;dr", then don't post blatant spam pointing out it's "tl;dr".

Get the **** out, please.

And Sudai, some people wouldn't know when to hold these buttons. At least 99% didn't know you would be able to start off with Sheik before they saw it on GameFAQs or some other source. the other 1% found out by their own and posted it on GameFAQs or some other source.

Holding buttons just is too easter-egg like. And with my second suggestion, you wouldn't even need to alter the character selection screen.
 

freeman123

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Wait, is your suggestion that ZSS should be able to turn into Samus by eating bacon?
 

Sudai

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The fact that the majority of smash players now know about the Shiek auto-transform, I'm sure many will try to change the pokemon you start out with by holding buttons. The same could be said for other transformables. It's not so much an easter egg anyone since it was in SSB:M and everyone knows about it now. :p
 

GaryCXJk

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True, but I think it's more apparent the change worked when you just press a button when in character selection screen. For example, for the GameCube controller, Z could make you switch the starting character, AND you will see that the change was successful because the character portrait has changed.
 
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