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Tell me how to improve?

Wasserwipf

Smash Apprentice
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First off, I'm really not too sure if you should make such a thread. Maybe there exists already something similar or the mods dont allow this but whatever. Just be careful^^
Second, you might want to take these to the respective Character boards. Even tho you can get games on overall gameplay here, you might want to get specific character feedback and improve from there.

However, I can give my feedback at least on your Sheik. I'll go trough this rather quikly, so lets get started.
-You roll too much. Sheik is fast enough, rolling just limits her options. Try running around insted. And shorthopping to dodge attacks.
-Dash attack is not a save approach option. It's slow, has no follow ups and is really predictable and punishable. You have so many better options. Grab, and all your aerials shorthopped to name a few.
-Grab more. Sheiks grab game is amazing.
-Neither F-smash nor D-air are good moves. You're probably best of not using them at all. (Or try not to use them, and then work them slowly back into your game)
-Learn shorthopping and Fastfalling. Those are crucial for Sheik (and usually in sm4sh in general)
-Yes, with those, basicaly work on your air game. It should get better once you get SHFF down, but still.
-Learn to properly tilt and then use F-tilt more often. Also try some strings. Ftilt and Fair are easy to combo and to get a feel for it.
-B. Towrds the end it goes the right direction, but still. Up-B, Neutral B and Bouncing Fish are so amaziing moves. Don't forget about them.

Thats probably about it from what I can tell off of one match. It looks like you understood some basics of the game and even can do some advanced stuff, so its not too bad. I guess you'll be able to improve quite alot tho.
 

Starry.

No Life Princess
Joined
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First off, I'm really not too sure if you should make such a thread. Maybe there exists already something similar or the mods dont allow this but whatever. Just be careful^^
Second, you might want to take these to the respective Character boards. Even tho you can get games on overall gameplay here, you might want to get specific character feedback and improve from there.

However, I can give my feedback at least on your Sheik. I'll go trough this rather quikly, so lets get started.
-You roll too much. Sheik is fast enough, rolling just limits her options. Try running around insted. And shorthopping to dodge attacks.
-Dash attack is not a save approach option. It's slow, has no follow ups and is really predictable and punishable. You have so many better options. Grab, and all your aerials shorthopped to name a few.
-Grab more. Sheiks grab game is amazing.
-Neither F-smash nor D-air are good moves. You're probably best of not using them at all. (Or try not to use them, and then work them slowly back into your game)
-Learn shorthopping and Fastfalling. Those are crucial for Sheik (and usually in sm4sh in general)
-Yes, with those, basicaly work on your air game. It should get better once you get SHFF down, but still.
-Learn to properly tilt and then use F-tilt more often. Also try some strings. Ftilt and Fair are easy to combo and to get a feel for it.
-B. Towrds the end it goes the right direction, but still. Up-B, Neutral B and Bouncing Fish are so amaziing moves. Don't forget about them.

Thats probably about it from what I can tell off of one match. It looks like you understood some basics of the game and even can do some advanced stuff, so its not too bad. I guess you'll be able to improve quite alot tho.
Thanks a lot, I'll try to improve based on your critiques. I'm a little sad that I'm still rolling too much because I'm purposely trying not to do it after shofu constantly goes on about how bad it is >.<

oh btw where are the individual characters places? I don't really know my way around yet
 
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Wasserwipf

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Thanks a lot, I'll try to improve based on your critiques. I'm a little sad that I'm still rolling too much because I'm purposely trying not to do it after shofu constantly goes on about how bad it is >.<

oh btw where are the individual characters places? I don't really know my way around yet
http://smashboards.com/forums/3ds-wii-u-character-discussion.291/
Overall, click on the character for their board.

The 3 most intresting for you are probably those: Lucina; Sheik; ZSS
 

Starry.

No Life Princess
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So is it okay if I go to each individual section and post my footage and ask for help?

I don't want to break any rules :/
 

Wasserwipf

Smash Apprentice
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So is it okay if I go to each individual section and post my footage and ask for help?

I don't want to break any rules :/
I really don't know. I'm pretty sure the Forum rules are somewhere, but I have no clue how up to date or accurate they are. To be sure, you might want to post in a fitting thread in the subforums of your character (maybe a social, or another advice thread). I guess the mods will tell you when you did something wrong.
 

XxBHunterxX

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Bryan
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I really don't know. I'm pretty sure the Forum rules are somewhere, but I have no clue how up to date or accurate they are. To be sure, you might want to post in a fitting thread in the subforums of your character (maybe a social, or another advice thread). I guess the mods will tell you when you did something wrong.
For zero suit I think the best way to get good feed back would be to have someone someone out of your skill range fight you, not that I want to see you lose it's just hard to give accurate feedback when you're not being pushed to your limits.
 

Wyverian

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i'll help you with sheik. We can spar, and you can see how i use her.
 
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adamlon1

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You might not want to use your dash attack as much with Lucina it's quite slow and people can predict and short hop out of the way. You might need to try using your air game as a way to open up to new options for combos it can be a great way to start a combo. You might want to grab more as Lucina's grab range is amazing and it can set up a few options combo wise and still be good with spacing.
 
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