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voittaa711

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For my senior class we have to do a certain amount of volunteer hours by graduation. I have chosen to teach kids how to play guitar at a junior high school. Its the "guitar club" or something.

I've been playing guitar for 8 years, but I have never taught. Theres supposed to be a classroom of 30 kids or so and I have no idea how to approach this situation.

What should I start out with? What should I progress to? Should I start with chords or what?
 

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How long are the classes? If they're pretty long, make sure to waste a lot of time by having everyone introduce themselves, and tell the class WHY they're interested in playing the guitar.

That should eat up some good time. After that, introduce them to the parts of the guitar (body, neck, frets/fingerboard, head, tuning knobs, etc...), teach them the strings by teaching them a silly way of remembering eBGDAE, such as "Evil Babies Grow Deadly After Eating," and then tell them to make up their own versions. Just to kill time. ;) If you feel ike it, you can even go in depth here and explain that all songs don't use the standard eBGDAE, etc...

You can fit in a lot of BS before making them actually play the guitar.

Once the playing comes, chords are really easy to break them in. Start with the basics, and then move on to simple songs. I don't know if you want to make them all buy the same 'Beginning Guitar' book or whatever-- but that's as far as I'd know what to do.

But yeah. Good luck.
 

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I have no idea, I get taught one on one so there's no competition, there's no pressure or anything. You should let everyone know it's not a competition so they don't get perform poorly out of nerves or fear.

I learned by going from the first string to last, it took a couple of weeks but at least it sunk in better. Eventually you should probably split the class according how good some of the kids are, it's no fun being held back by someone having lots of trouble. That way you can let the fast learners do their thing while the slower ones get more attention and don't lose interest in guitar.
 

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You should keep it somewhat interesting to keep their attention, like be yourself if thats appropriate XD but good things to start out with are very simple chords like E minor.. simple scale walks and scales, proper technique, parts of the guitar, how to tune it later on.
 

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Throw all teaching methods you may know out the window!

Come on, man! Be creative! Do something different!

Start with Dragonforce, then work your way down.
 

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Teach them some easy songs that don't involve any chords or anything... Smoke on the Water comes to mind. Power Chords are also easy as hell, so you can throw them some Nirvana or the like if you want. As you progress to real chords, you just need to lay down the truth: Not everyone is musically talented. Move up to more difficult chord progressions and finger picking. Teach Barred Chords next. If you feel like your group is good enough, teach them some scales. If you want to kill a lot of time and make everyone frustrated (but inherently better), teach them to read and play music.
 

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Dragonforce is the bottom of the barrel.

Seriously, if they are kids, most of them just have passing interests. Teach them a few songs like Mary Had a Little Lamb (non-SRV version), Happy Birthday, and a few others along those lines. Make it extra terrifying by making them play 2 songs in front of the class one-by-one.

They'll never forget that.
 

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Alright yeah I'm totally going to split it up. On one side the beginners and the other side kids who have an idea of what they're doing. I'll give those kids individual help.

Crimson you're totally right. Probably like 90% of kids don't stick with something like guitar, so I'll teach them stuff like that.
 

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Musicians and guitarists are BIG differences. A musician can be a guitarist, but a guitarist isn't always a musician. Make sure you teach this. Musicians embrace the art and expand upon it and create. Guitarist read tabs and that's about it.
 

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Musicians and guitarists are BIG differences. A musician can be a guitarist, but a guitarist isn't always a musician. Make sure you teach this. Musicians embrace the art and expand upon it and create. Guitarist read tabs and that's about it.
 

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Musicians and guitarists are BIG differences. A musician can be a guitarist, but a guitarist isn't always a musician. Make sure you teach this. Musicians embrace the art and expand upon it and create. Guitarist read tabs and that's about it.
Absolutely true. Guitar is not my primary instrument in the least, but there's a reason there are jokes like - "How do you make a guitarist play softer? Give him sheet music."

If possible, make them read music, not tabs.
 

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I agree with starting them reading music right away. I know how to read music on piano and trumpet but I waited to learn on the guitar. It was tough.

The only thing is that when beginners are taught TABS to songs they like, it keeps them more interested. Plus, its a lot easier.

I'll try to make reading music a little more fun though.
 

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Yup I started out by learning to read music. I don't know how to read tabs so I can't learn my favorite songs but I guess it's a reasonable sacrifice. I plan to play bass, electric and maybe piano after I learn how to play classic] guitar better.
 

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Not just reading music, but basic music theory as well. (as I said before)

Keep in mind they are kids. How to read music and everything that isn't the actual playing part will probably bore them.
 

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Come to think of it, the topic creator never mentioned the age of the kids. I wonder how old/young they are.

We might be able to give him a little more advise if we find out.
 
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Junior High school... early teens...

Teach them that playing guitar will hurt and that they won't get amazing without a lot of work... then teach them how to tune the guitar (notes as well as frets), then teach them some simple notes (3 on E string = G for example)... then teach them accompanying chords, while some play the chords and others play a simple song... then teach them strumming patterns, etc... basically, the most basic things to the most advanced things... and reinforce reading music, not tab... as useful as tab is, they'll be much better musicians if they can read music... (I read music fine, but I can't translate that to frets on the guitar x.x)
 

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Really though, you could just make the whole senior challenge up like I did. I completely bull****ted mine on the morning it was due. My entire portfolio, poster, story about job shadowing a guitar teacher(funny coincidence!), presentation, EVERYTHING. There wasn't one part of my project that wasn't fabricated. I got my friend to sign for the "guitar teacher" and he wrote his number down too. Fake name. I went to my friend's house in the morning, got down all the outlining stuff from his senior challenge portfolio, and having skipped all my classes except for the last 20 minutes of my last class we both went in to turn in our portfolios and that was that. And you know what? I "passed" with flying colors. A+ on just about everything. "Very creative writing for your job shadowing experience" - indeed!
I did this because I thought the whole senior challenge thing was a bunch of bull****, and I didn't want to do the full IB senior project thing so I took the regular one. High school is bull****. College is bull****. I think there's a show hosted by these two guys where they show that everything is bull****. Especially school. It's hilarious. But I digress. I wasn't about to invest any more of my life into some high school community service or job shadowing waste of ****ing time, so I made it all up. I partially recommend this - it feels good once you've done it and gotten the highest marks. But I can't say for sure you won't get caught. I'm just really good at bull****.

Haha, quite the rant!
 

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For my senior class we have to do a certain amount of volunteer hours by graduation. I have chosen to teach kids how to play guitar at a junior high school. Its the "guitar club" or something.

I've been playing guitar for 8 years, but I have never taught. Theres supposed to be a classroom of 30 kids or so and I have no idea how to approach this situation.

What should I start out with? What should I progress to? Should I start with chords or what?
Start off the class by showing them the standard "G" and "C" chord.

G chord being

E 3
A 2
D 0
G 0
B 3
E 3

C chord being

E 0 (muted)
A 3
D 2
G 0
B 3
E 3


Depending on their proficiency level, this could take a whole class. Maybe two!

When showing them these chords, it is very important that you don't fill them up with information. Don't explain note names, don't emphasize that the E string is muted in the C chord, don't tell them there are other ways of playing those chords, don't show them how to do anything except put their fingers in the right places.

The next thing you will teach them is what a "buzz" is. When a kid strums his guitar and it makes the wrong noise but his hands are in the right place, it is because his fingers are touching strings. Tell him so, then manually move his fingers and have him play it again. (make sure to congratulate him, especially if he is the first one, once he gets it right)

Start slowly, and then if you feel the class has "got it", tell them that they need to learn to switch from G to C. They can do this in class or as an assignment (expect a headache if they aren't using electronic guitars with headphones and you do this in class).

Once they get that down, focus on showing them how to mute strings and how to not buzz strings. It is very important to give them these basics in the very beginning, so they can get the motions under control. If they can't play a G chord and mute the bottom strings on command, they cna't play a G chord.

Once they can switch chords easily, I would suggest teaching them stroke method. The difference between upstroke and downstroke, hitting only certain strings, light strumming(melodic sound) hard strumming (twanging sound), and the different speeds (whole, hlaf, quarter, eigth, sixteenth).

"stroke method" is where you really learn who has a naturally knack for it or not. Half the kids in your class will "get it" immediately and be bored. The other half will be confused as hell and won't know what to do. Expect to need to spend a lot of one on one time with them.

To give the kids a goal (and to give something the kids who already understand something to do), I'd suggest writing a simple song with the G and C chords with an emphasis on switching between the chords every measure or two, muting, and if you feel ballsy you can try to get them to change speeds.

So something like

G (4) muted-g (2) G(2) muted-g (2) G(2) C(4) muted-c (2) C (2) muted-c (2) C (2)

where (#) would be the beats in a 4/4 measure.

Feel free to show off a bit here. This gives the kids something to look up to, and those that already know how to play guitar or understand what you are teaching them can expand their horizons in this way.


After they master this, I suggest teaching them another chord while it is fresh. D chord would be my choice.

E
A
D 0
G 2
B 3
E 2

Then, you have two options.

The first, and easiest, is to stick with chords. You can show them songs, show them how to make a song out of one chord, show them how to make songs using many chords, etc., etc.


or the second is to teach them how to pick. This is very difficult to teach a class, but can be rewarding.

If you want to teach them how to pick, I'd suggest writing a simple song where they play one chord throughout the entire thing, but pick only particular strings in a rhythm.



I teach Guitar and play many musical instruments, and am an English and Education major. If you need any other help/advice, feel free to PM me.
 

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Really though, you could just make the whole senior challenge up like I did. I completely bull****ted mine on the morning it was due. My entire portfolio, poster, story about job shadowing a guitar teacher(funny coincidence!), presentation, EVERYTHING. There wasn't one part of my project that wasn't fabricated. I got my friend to sign for the "guitar teacher" and he wrote his number down too. Fake name. I went to my friend's house in the morning, got down all the outlining stuff from his senior challenge portfolio, and having skipped all my classes except for the last 20 minutes of my last class we both went in to turn in our portfolios and that was that. And you know what? I "passed" with flying colors. A+ on just about everything. "Very creative writing for your job shadowing experience" - indeed!
I did this because I thought the whole senior challenge thing was a bunch of bull****, and I didn't want to do the full IB senior project thing so I took the regular one. High school is bull****. College is bull****. I think there's a show hosted by these two guys where they show that everything is bull****. Especially school. It's hilarious. But I digress. I wasn't about to invest any more of my life into some high school community service or job shadowing waste of ****ing time, so I made it all up. I partially recommend this - it feels good once you've done it and gotten the highest marks. But I can't say for sure you won't get caught. I'm just really good at bull****.


Haha, quite the rant!
lmao. so true. this is highschool in a nutshell. Bull****ing things is the only way to get by! lol. But really I'm trying to take this seriously since teaching music and/or performing will be my job after college hopefully.

Oh and thanks overswarm. What you said really reminds me of the first time I was taught guitar. I'll apply alot of what you said to those kids.

I just have another question....

Now that I know how to deal with the beginners, how should I approach the more advanced players who are past the basics?
 

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lmao. so true. this is highschool in a nutshell. Bull****ing things is the only way to get by! lol. But really I'm trying to take this seriously since teaching music and/or performing will be my job after college hopefully.

Oh and thanks overswarm. What you said really reminds me of the first time I was taught guitar. I'll apply alot of what you said to those kids.

I just have another question....

Now that I know how to deal with the beginners, how should I approach the more advanced players who are past the basics?
Let them mess around on their own. Let them be creative.

All you need to do is guide them by showing off in front of the class. If kids are learning to switch between G and C chords, just switch between those two quickly and let them see you play a little song with only those two chords. The more advanced students will pick up on what you do and attempt to emulate it.


If you're talking about teaching a class that is ALL advanced players... I'd suggest teaching them to play together. Put them in pairs, and have one player play lead and the other play rhythm. Then, switch them from lead to ryhthm and vice versa.

That will teach them important aspects of guitar as well as giving them a taste of what it is like to play with others.
 

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Alright so I had my first class today with these kids. It was for an hour.

It was hell lol. It was so unorganized!

They didn't have classroom space for us so they put us in the cafeteria. There were 45 kids in there and it was VERY difficult to teach everyone.

The first 15 minutes I had to go around and help kids tune their guitars. By this time everyone was scattered around and I couldn't control them so I just got a small group together and started to teach them a couple things.

I couldn't start some of them off with chords because some have never even touched a guitar before.

so I walked into the middle of a few kids and explained to them what frets were and what strings were what.

I told them to play the sixth string first fret first finger. Then the 2nd fret then the 3rd then the 4th. Some of them couldn't even do that so I can't imagine them playing a chord!

I was only teaching about 7 kids this since everyone was scattered around. Some were picking their noses, talking to friends, and a lot were listening to this kid play electric guitar. (who, by the way, wasn't impressing me with crazy train on high distortion over and over again...or sweet child of mine...)

HELP!
 

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45 students? Wow that's even more than the maximum number of kids in my classes.

You should start with the open first string, first fret, and third fret and work your way to sixth string open, first and third frets.

It worked pretty well with me. But you will probably take a while to get everyone there. You'll probably have to kick out those who are just fooling around.
 

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Alright so I had my first class today with these kids. It was for an hour.

It was hell lol. It was so unorganized!

They didn't have classroom space for us so they put us in the cafeteria. There were 45 kids in there and it was VERY difficult to teach everyone.

The first 15 minutes I had to go around and help kids tune their guitars. By this time everyone was scattered around and I couldn't control them so I just got a small group together and started to teach them a couple things.

I couldn't start some of them off with chords because some have never even touched a guitar before.

so I walked into the middle of a few kids and explained to them what frets were and what strings were what.

I told them to play the sixth string first fret first finger. Then the 2nd fret then the 3rd then the 4th. Some of them couldn't even do that so I can't imagine them playing a chord!

I was only teaching about 7 kids this since everyone was scattered around. Some were picking their noses, talking to friends, and a lot were listening to this kid play electric guitar. (who, by the way, wasn't impressing me with crazy train on high distortion over and over again...or sweet child of mine...)

HELP!
Move as fast as your slowest student. Let the advanced students help you with the really simple stuff.
 
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