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That is fair, the ops lately have been interesting.
I have no idea how I missed that when I just checked the Op
You think lower power is a miss direction?
Yeah I had the former separate because I felt the slots in null to town didn’t deserve a null reading or a full town one, but my bottom listings didn’t have anyone that stuck out like that.
You're only going to learn how to play by actually playing. Pick one post that you like or don't like. Talk about something specific that you find suspicious or good in it.
Xivii
I expect you to have yours ready too.
Suppose for a moment that Ninja has the role he described. How is it too powerful for scum? The Shadow cannot provide any useful reads to Ninja because Ninja already knows who is scum. The only advantage he can give lies in the perception of town, i.e. town believes that the power must be townie..
I'll be going in paragraph order to address this
If he is able to vote, then yes, it is OP for scum, but your earlier words didn't give me that impression. Bringing in another scum is only strong if we actually believe them, which goes back to the perception issue.
The setup is explicitly labeled as non-******* and the OP says the mod will not lie or attempt to deceive us in any way. Your interpretation here feels like you have a lot more information about the setup than I do.
I get all this, but really I don't see why a scum team would risk this. As pointed out the "shadow" seems to be a more experiences player, why would a scum team with an experienced player risk causing a big deal about a scum team member with all this?
heh stayed in the shadows, nice.
I said in the paragraph above the post that I've been falling on the opposite side of the fence on a lot of things he's brought up (and I thought the fact that he didn't really have anything on Z25, said you looked scummy and they weren't actively hunting town, then went after him rather than you was odd). He says he'll have a read list up by end-of-phase, though, so I'm hoping that the
I suppose "too powerful" was bad wording. My thought process is that it essentially increases the brain power of a group by 1, and, if the the role description is to be trusted, someone gets to come in and posts something and suffer no consequences as they aren't actually in the game. The actual player just loses the ability to talk to them. The perception of town, as you mentioned, is also a powerful side effect. Can I be certain it's a town role? No. But I'd be really hard pressed to believe it wasn't.
BoomFrog
Lots of roles might fake claim D1 in the games I've had experience with (played or watched) if the threat of mafia nightkilling them that night (or a few nights thereafter) is enough that they feel the need to, OR if they're scum and want to have some kind of record of consistency to fall back on. Not claiming at all or claiming your actual role can make you seem susp/a target for either sides' killing roles. To the point where the semi-current meta/meme in ToS is to claim medium (or soft-claim veteran) day 1 to discourage being killed, as medium in that game still functions despite being dead, and has a perception of being a night 1 kill magnet regardless of interaction.
LaserGuy
Was waiting for the questions to be polite. No that is not a detour or smokescreen, that is simply ingrained habit from years of gaming in nonsense salt mines like League.
If triss is using a fake claim I could see it be a bomb style kill maybe to bait scum. But that would be unlikely imo, as I doubt scum would target vanilla anyway, but back in the day golden had fun with shenanigans like that when in a bomb role.
Agreed. The strange two in one role is either a new thing that was made for this game mode, something that hasn't been seen often enough for people here to know of it (and therefore not appear on the communities common roles list), confusion, or a lie.
As long as you don’t click insert quotes at the bottom when formatting a post, they should all stay there throughout each page....Is there really no way to make the insert quotes function save across multiple pages? I feel like I need to have a notepad doc open to keep all this stuff if I'm out for half a day...
Ok in order of things that I can actually find:
-Spies are encouraged to claim D2 so that people can't just use knowledge from the previous days later on to claim it.
-There is always at least one guaranteed Town Protective role (assuming it's not a weird role list), so jailers will claim D1 or 2 under the assurance that either the TP claims will protect them as the most important town, or get lynched as maf or troll players.
-Vigilantes will shoot suspicious people to confirm themselves, but otherwise usually not reveal unless a witch finds and controls them.
-Retributionists (bring back one dead townie per game) will usually only claim on the stand, or right after using their ability. They're also blamed as the biggest reason maf loses if they exist.
-Quite a few people will simply not speak more than once or twice so as not to draw attention to themselves, sometimes this draws attention anyway but it's very common for doctors and bodyguards.
This meta changes about once a month or so as people take advantage or stop using it, but it's an interesting evolution certainly.
ToS's ranked scene is also currently a mess with a lot of people leaving as soon as they get a mafia role though, so there's a lot of call to have things updated in terms of power levels and such. Winning as maf is generally considered to be rare if not practically impossible, depending on rank.
Ok that's ToS, now imagine twice to three times the power (and abilities) for EVERY ROLE, and you have Throne of Lies.
ToL doesn't seem to have a overly specific meta purely due to how confusing it is. That's slowly changing but it's not set in stone by any means. It also starts with only 2 "wolves", but they can change the teams of "townies" over the course of the game to keep their numbers up.
Mindnight might as well be this kind of setup, but without kills (instead fighting for "data nodes" ala capture the flag to some degree) and on a much shorter time scale. Think the only major meta there is that hackers don't normally hack the first node.
.....And now I'm not remembering which the last one was. Please let me know if I missed anything.
Forum mafia is to ToS like D&D homebrew campaign is to a computer RPG. Based on how... whimsical our mod seems to be I would bet that a large portion of the powers in this game are at least a unique twist on standard powers or even wholly made up. That's why claiming D1 doesn't work so well. There is a lot the mafia doesn't know about the setup, but they can fake it better if they know what kind of powers town has. The best way to catch mafia in claims is to wait until D3 or D4 and make the suspicious people claim first. Then they don't have anyone to copy, and it's much easier to catch them in a lie if, for example, they claim to have done X but someone else later claims tracker and they saw Y. But if we all claim D1 then the would know if we do or don't have a tracker. Also, certain town roles should lie when claiming D1 as you pointed out which muddies the waters, but if we wait until D3 then we can have a policy that everyone should tell the full truth. Then we know anyone caught in a lie is scum.
My limited experience has been that if you open different pages in different tabs it gets messed up, but if you use one tab to go page by page it works. I think if you reload it should get all the saved quotes too, but I'm not sure.
I'm going have to meta read the mod a bit which is always murky business, but I think Ossie is ambitious (evidence: trying to pull such a large game together) whimsical (evidence: I had to post a relevant picture for my confirmation that I understood my role) and has a lack of "thinking things all the way through" (evidence: they posted a public response to a spoilered message in the oasis greenroom). Therefore I believe that such a mod could create such a role even though it could blow up and be a disaster. It's exciting and strange but it's not actually powerful so it's a good role from that perspective. And I assume "anyone" means "anyone who has a smashboards account, is willing to participate in decisive games, and is not currently signed up". That's a much much smaller list. And they could have had a backup plan with an alternate similar power if they couldn't get a volunteer to agree. The logistics aren't impossible, they are simply risky. Some people have a bigger appetite for risk then you do.
Trisscar (1) - Malakandra
Time is why.LogicoftheVI Who is scum? Why are you catching up in bursts, rather than in one go so you can play in the present?
This makes me laugh and sad at the same time. I missed you Zen and I’m happy to be here too. You may be seeing a few more exkcdians in future games.
Kinda what I was trying to point out earlier. Forum mafia is probably different than what you’re used to, and what is standard in RL mafia might not be optimal play here. There’s even differences between communities. On xkcd, we loved discussing the setup and most people put their setup spec in one of their opening posts. When we hosted a joint game with DGames, the people from this site considered it a waste of time and/or scummy. And I’ve already discussed a bit the differences in voting habits between our two sites. So what pinged me about you was your overconfidence in your tactic, and you justifying scumreading people off it without reevaluating your own actions and surroundings. In other words, its like you looking for an excuse to scum read someone.
Hmmm. I’m always suspicious of “would I do that if I were scum?” posts. Especially from experienced players (who you claim is advising you). See also #348, #355.
No. We can confirm 3DSNinja has a mentor. Another poster coming in and saying “oh yeah Ninja’s town” confirms nothing. Only a mod post, in mod voice, in a non-******* game (which this is), confirms town. Can you really not think of other possibilities?
Like really? I will say that I can think of two people who might try a crazy gambit as mafia. And by odd coincidence, both of them are playing this game. Woof?
Well not trying to discourage you here but why did you want to play if you don’t want to play? The towniest thing a town player can do is post their thoughts and opinions, and interact with others. And I know this may not make logical sense but a townie's job as town is not to stay alive, it is to help town. And regarding too many nulls, if you read through this game or probably any game, people get suspicious of reads lists that are too full of nulls. So if your shadow can’t help you out, who do YOU think is townie or scummy, and why?
Really I would have never guessed.
Why on earth did you mention this and why are you worried about it?
