Suicune - moveset tinkering

[drcossack]

Standard Cune, already EV trained in HP/Defense/Sp. Def.

Moveset right now is

Calm Mind
Ice Beam
Roar
Surf

Earlier, I was fooling around with a SubSeeding Sceptile in the Battle Tower, and I ran into a Wobbuffet.

I don't remember if I had a Sub up when it entered the battle (don't think I did), but that's unimportant. Anyway, I seeded, then Sub'd. On my next turn, I hit it with an X-Scissor, and of course the Sub died to the ensuing Counter.

My question(s): Would Sub be useful as a move on Suicune? If so, what should I get rid of? I'm not interested in putting it on there solely to counter Wobbuffet, but I'm interested in hearing about some other uses for it.

 

[ss118]

Sub is an OK move on Suicune, but it doesn't have the speed to abuse it. Go with Raikou on that one.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Suicune has the defenses to take some hits, so it doesn't really a substitute. Substitutes are for Pokemon that have weak defenses but exceptional strength, so they can hide behind it and deliver blows.

Your Suicune works best with a Spiker/Stealth Rocker. Suicune can, hopefully, take a hit from a counter(not Wobuffet counter), then Roar it away. Not only will the incoming Pokemon be hurt by Spikes/Stealth Rock, but the Poke may be a bad one for the situation the opponent is in. So you can predict and launch a Surf or Ice Beam while the opponent switches, or switch out your own Pokemon for a better one for the situation.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[MasterMatt]

i would get rid of roar on suicune and teach it rest with chesto berry as an item...

 

[lowradiation8989]

Standard Cune, already EV trained in HP/Defense/Sp. Def.

Moveset right now is

Calm Mind
Ice Beam
Roar
Surf

Earlier, I was fooling around with a SubSeeding Sceptile in the Battle Tower, and I ran into a Wobbuffet.

I don't remember if I had a Sub up when it entered the battle (don't think I did), but that's unimportant. Anyway, I seeded, then Sub'd. On my next turn, I hit it with an X-Scissor, and of course the Sub died to the ensuing Counter.

My question(s): Would Sub be useful as a move on Suicune? If so, what should I get rid of? I'm not interested in putting it on there solely to counter Wobbuffet, but I'm interested in hearing about some other uses for it.

if you've EV trained it in special defense already, then there's no need for calm mind

i would suggest teaching it rain dance to boost it's surf, while attaching a damp rock to double the turns of rain dance, and then teaching it tailwind to boost it's speed for a few turns at a time

 

[ss118]

if you've EV trained it in special defense already, then there's no need for calm mind

i would suggest teaching it rain dance to boost it's surf, while attaching a damp rock to double the turns of rain dance, and then teaching it tailwind to boost it's speed for a few turns at a time

no
10 char min

 

[MasterMatt]

no
10 char min

wtf does that mean?

 

[Chill]

He means no teaching it rain dance would be a foolish idea. As would teaching it rest with chesto berry as a held item. That only works in the battle tower.

The set you have now if fine Suicune doesn't need sub.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Like lowradiation said, pump a little more EVs into Defense than SD because Calm Mind will already be boosting SD.

Also, what's its nature? Modest would be good.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[Chill]

Like lowradiation said, pump a little more EVs into Defense than SD because Calm Mind will already be boosting SD.

Also, what's its nature? Modest would be good.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

He didn't say that. He said don't teach it calm mind.

 

[lowradiation8989]

He didn't say that. He said don't teach it calm mind.

true.....i didn't.......but now that i think about it, that would sound like a good idea, except i'm pretty sure he's maxed out all of his EVs already

but if he hasn't.......then he should add some to defense and speed, in my opinion

 

[Chiko_]

Bold Suicune is too good.

Sub is mostly to avoid status problems, but yeah, Suicune got good enough defences to take some hits. I think Rest is a better opinion for avoiding status, since it also recover your HP. ChestoRest sucks, though. Leftovers > everything else.
But CalmCune with Rest is pretty invincible, unless you're facing a water absorber.

Uh, 208 Speed, max HP and a lot of defence is probably all it need. Calm Mind does fill the sp.stats. If suggest that you use some Grepa Berries on it. It really don't need the extra sp.defence.

 

[drcossack]

He's already level 100.

 

[Chiko_]

Yaya. You should focus on the moveset, then.

But really, Slowbro is pretty much the same. It might not get any phazing move, but insted it get's a decent recoverymove and another STABed move. If you're not using any spikers I would suggest Slowbro insted. And unlike Suicune you can breed it for a perfect result.