Stop Discussing New Techniques

[Spaghettifire]

The reason why Brawl was delayed and given a public demo was to find ways to make Smash more casual-friendly. If you keep revealing new techs before the release, they're just going to use those two months to remove them. Stop ruining our chances.

 

[Shato]

Removing bugs and exploits is a good thing.

 

[Spaghettifire]

I'm sure wavedashing and l-canceling were gamebeaking. they won't stop until it's boiled down to a pretty RTS game.

edit: i change my mind, turn based RPG

 

[Donkey_Kong]

oh boy, don't let sakurai find out about those POTENTIAL BUGS AND EXPLOITS. Because I'm sure that if he wanted those in, he'd ****ing name them himself.

 

[Shato]

You must construct additional stupid.

 

[iruchii]

...huh? They're bugs. They should be taken out.

It's not like Smash Bros is going to become Mario Party because there's no wavedash, anyway.

 

[Kirby knight]

The reason why Brawl was delayed and given a public demo was to find ways to make Smash more casual-friendly. If you keep revealing new techs before the release, they're just going to use those two months to remove them. Stop ruining our chances.

>_> oh my Sakurai's secret spies on smashboards telling him about every single tech discovered. I don't think he really removed anything. L-canceling is still in; is it not? Wavedashing is gone, but I doubt Sakurai intentially got rid of that. He merely changed the physics of the air dodge so you could do more than one in air and not end up in "do nothing" state.

Honestly I hope your joking, you have nothing to worry about at all.

-Knight

 

[Spaghettifire]

I'm sure they would allow total strangers to find the bugs that are contained in a public release with only 20% content. If you thought harder than you think you are, you'd realize this was Sakurais plan all along. He wants to remove competitive moves from us.

 

[Terrorcon Blot]

The sobbing Luigi avatar just makes it so hilarious.

 

[Donkey_Kong]

I'm sure they would allow total strangers to find the bugs that are contained in a public release with only 20% content. If you thought harder than you think you are, you'd realize this was Sakurais plan all along. He wants to remove competitive moves from us.

Hey, meet me later, I'll buy you a beer.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Too bad competative nature still exist in Smash, despite the uninformed noobs being douches about the subject. Seriously, why can't we play the way we want, and you can do the same? It isn't that hard. According to the reports, a majority of the techniques (Including Waveland and L-cancel) are already in Brawl. When I played the game, I tested them myself and so did everyone else. On top of that, there is still a wide plethora of things to be discovered. You want to know more? Read the sticked Gimpyfish topic.

You people failed.

 

[Shato]

Wavedashing is gone, but I doubt Sakurai intentially got rid of that.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

1. The change in the airdodge was to increase aerial options.

2. The Waveland still exist in Brawl, just in a different method of execution.

 

[Spaghettifire]

I just don't think it's early enough to assume that sATAN isn't watching our discussions and taking notes. All he wants to do is make it as user friendly as possible and remove any kind of skill from the game. I'm just hoping we can talk about it without bringing in the open.

 

[Shato]

Sakurai doesn't care about what the American's want.

 

[Spaghettifire]

Which is why he's removing what we want. Are you listening to me, or trying to troll me?

I don't mind what your opinions are of what the devs are up to or if my theory is farfetched, but try and be careful about your discoveries.

 

[CHAOSDRAGON88]

Its simple that if you dont want to do those techs dont do them. I have been performing advanced moves since the begining(MELEE) and never knew what they were until i heard people talk about it. So it isn't an unfair technique it's the evolution of combat.

 

[Shato]

It's a bug with collision detection when you hit the ground while dodging. It isn't there intentionally.

 

[CHAOSDRAGON88]

Its not comparable to c-sticking. Is that out on certain control schemes?

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Its simple that if you dont want to do those techs dont do them. I have been performing advanced moves since the begining(MELEE) and never knew what they were until i heard people talk about it. So it isn't an unfair technique it's the evolution of combat.

Thank you for not being a 4chan steriotyping idiot. We lack fresh intelligent people here.

For most of you, I think it's foolish that you can't find a possiblity of advanced smashers and casual smashers to coexist. What we are doing isn't wrong, nor is it affecting you directly, we are simply choosing to manipulate the game the way we want to. The fact that you people feel superior over us by majority just makes you people just as bad as us 'elitist' (Or proclaimed to be horrible "glitch users"). Sakurai loves options, and i'm pretty sure that he is making this game to appeal to EVERYONE (IE not just the general public).

Either grow up, or go back to 4chan. We aren't fond of idiots, bad grammar and meme's.

 

[Jumpinjahosafa]

Sakurai doesn't care about what the American's want.

Possibly one of the most ignorant statements i've ever seen on here!

Why wouldn't Sakurai care? Do you realize how much money he makes from the America's alone?

 

[Shato]

bad grammar and meme's.

Neither of which are even in this thread.

 

[Spaghettifire]

I'm glad that people are watching this discussion, but I can't say the same for the people involved in it. I'm not here to talk about your wars with some rival website or whatever. Thanks to the internet, Brawl is going to fall down faster than a scared goat.

 

[Kirby knight]

Which is why he's removing what we want. Are you listening to me, or trying to troll me?

I don't mind what your opinions are of what the devs are up to or if my theory is farfetched, but try and be careful about your discoveries.

It seems like your just whining to be honest. Brawl is not Melee; it's an entirely new game, what makes you think Melee advance techs (if they do carry over) will be as pratical as they were in Melee when it is obvious that Brawl is a new game?

Oh, well think Sakurai is sending people on smashboards to check up on ADV techs so he can remove them, whatever makes you feel better :/

-Knight

 

[CHAOSDRAGON88]

We have only tried the techs only on the wiimote so they could still be there on other controllers.

 

[Spaghettifire]

Oh okay

- SpaghettiFire, defender of lotsa spaghetti

 

[CHAOSDRAGON88]

What makes you think that other websites like smashboards does not exist in other languages or countries(ASIA)? One site cant possibly have enough influence on a game and its not like we can go over to sakurai and make him put in anything we want.

 

[Donkey_Kong]

affecting you directly

lol, that's funny.

I go to Melee tournaments every week at a local gameshop that will go unnamed. I play as Luigi ad Ice Climbers. No wave-dashing. No l-canceling. No glitches, nothing. Luigi, without wavedashing. Yes, I know, this is astonishing.

I like the majority of stages. Especially fast-moving stages like Big Blue, and Brinstar Depths is another favorite because of its sheer adaptiveness, where if you don't have your bearings straight you are ****ed proper.

We have about seven or so regular people, and occasionally some newcomers.

Our rules are as follows:

No items, ever.
Limited to a few select stages, although nobody ever picks anything other than Final Dest. Hell, most of the time, it's just picked anyways regardless.
Five lives.
Eight minutes.

The main players picked are naturally Fox, Sheik, and Marth, with Samus and Falco treading close behind. Every single one of them wave-dashes, l-cancels, everything. They know every glitch and exploit ever written on these boards, they regularly use "advanced techniques" as such, and for people like ME, who DON'T use these techniques but still have a bit of skill, are completely wiped out. This no longer becomes a tournament of fun and skill, but of exploits. Do you know how absolute ****ing BORING Final D. gets? Or how nothing but Fox and Marth gets, especially with no items or NOTHING thrown into the mix? It's not about skill. There's no mind-games or any fancy terminology. It's about who can glitch over there and shinespark the living **** out of the person. There is no balance in this game. There's a few select broken characters that people use solely because they are broken.

It does directly affect people who are tournament goers but don't abuse exploits. Because those who do completely dominate those who don't. And don't just say "well lol lurn to use 'em", because that's NOT the way it should be. If you should have the option to play as you want, then why don't we get the same right?

I like what Sakurai is doing. Everything from the spawn-with-final to the jokes about wave-dashing. He's focusing the game on fun and crazyness, how it should be. There shouldn't need to be a competitive scene. That's now what Smash is about. It's about the dream fight of seeing every single one of your favorite characters in one game, fighting with or against each other. It's not a technical fighter, and it's nowhere near as deep as you'd like to believe.

tl;dr.

 

[asheam]

Read

You guys should really pay attention to what he is actually saying. He is not complaining about there being advanced techs in Brawl, quite the opposite infact.

What he is saying is that the Sakurai's intention is to make Brawl as noob friendly as possible. To do this he

1. Made a demo playable for the likes of the Smashboards community.
2. Will read about all the advance techs that we have discovered.
3. Use the delayed release date to remove all these advanced techs.

Although what he says is quite rediculous it might be good for some of you guys to take reading classes. He was not starting a flamefest between casuals and "hardcores" so just take that debate elsewhere and flame him for his super paranoid ideas.

 

[CHAOSDRAGON88]

The people who dislike advance techs are usually the ones to draw the line. similar to how in jr. high no boy or girl wants to dance with each other, then there is that brave couple that starts dancing "AND STARTS THE REVOLUTION" . I am the other part of the brave couple anyone wanna dance?

 

[Donkey_Kong]

The people who dislike advance techs are usually the ones to draw the line. similar to how in jr. high no boy or girl wants to dance with each other, then there is that brave couple that starts dancing "AND STARTS THE REVOLUTION" . I am the other part of the brave couple anyone wanna dance?

Holy crap, that was a gay speech.

 

[Shato]

The people who dislike "advanced techniques" are similar to those who don't want to dance in Jr. High. Am I one of the many that wants to dance and "JOIN THE BANDWAGON"?

Fix'd your terrible analogy.

And excellent tl;dr DK, I actually read it.

 

[Razorthe6249th]

I also read that wall of text. Which is more than what most of the people who'll disagree with you will do.

 

[DerpDerpDerpDerp]

In junior high I just tapped girls on the shoulder, turned them around and held them tight as we awkwardly danced to 80s love songs.

I'm a tourney player. I'm not going to say that I'm the greatest ****ing thing to ever happen to this world since Jesus, like most other people do on this board, but I'm alright. I can hold my own. I wavedash, I L-Cancel, SHFFL, whatever else stuff you can think of off the top of your head. But I've been playing fightan gaems for too long to be tricked into thinking these bugs are "advanced techs," and frankly, the only reason I use them is because it's the only way to win tourneys.

I, for one, am sick and tired of all of the other smash players who go out of their way to say that people who don't learn advanced techs are "scrubs," as Mutated Arm dude would say. They enjoy playing a game, just like kids enjoy playing in a park with sand. You don't see professional sand sculptors walk up to kids in a sandbox and go "wtf is this, scrub, a stick? use a stylus lol. put more water in your bucket, nub." It's disgusting that people think tournament level play should be a standard for everyone, but that seems to be a case here with the Smash boards.

in b4 some junior high kid tries to argue with me.

 

[Lipucd]

You guys should really pay attention to what he is actually saying. He is not complaining about there being advanced techs in Brawl, quite the opposite infact.

What he is saying is that the Sakurai's intention is to make Brawl as noob friendly as possible. To do this he

1. Made a demo playable for the likes of the Smashboards community.
2. Will read about all the advance techs that we have discovered.
3. Use the delayed release date to remove all these advanced techs.

Although what he says is quite rediculous it might be good for some of you guys to take reading classes. He was not starting a flamefest between casuals and "hardcores" so just take that debate elsewhere and flame him for his super paranoid ideas.

Correct indeed...but...its farfected imo...

It COULD happen but...I think not...Sakuri's got bigger bugs to worry about ( like crashing, move disorders, and the random clipping in snake... ) then to care about a small circle tryingto be competitve at a presto-fighting game >_>;;

 

[CHAOSDRAGON88]

I have taught alot of people to do advanced techs,within 5 minutes really. these techniques are not hard and they are fun, just because they exist does not mean the game is difficult. Life is hard, martial arts is a little difficult, being a teenage parent(Not talking about me) is extremely difficult, Video games are easy and fun that is why we play them. It is the only way to escape lifes hardships. so if your excuse for defending the removal of advance moves is because i or someone else cant do it at first glance is the only thing you got why do you play games? They are supposed to bring challenging experiences.

 

[Shato]

I have taught alot of people to do advanced techs,within 5 minutes really. these techniques are not hard and they are fun, just because they exist does not mean the game is difficult. Life is hard, martial arts is a little difficult, being a teenage parent(Not talking about me) is extremely difficult, Video games are easy and fun that is why we play them. It is the only way to escape lifes hardships. so if your excuse for defending the removal of advance moves is because i or someone else cant do it at first glance is the only thing you got why do you play games? They are supposed to bring challenging experiences.

After trying to read this twice, I can say that this post made no sense.

 

[Tabris-]

We aren't fond of idiots, bad grammar and meme's.

The irony is killing me.

 

[Donkey_Kong]

I love you DerpDerp. You wouldn't happen to be into gorillas, would you?

 

[DerpDerpDerpDerp]

I love you DerpDerp. You wouldn't happen to be into gorillas, would you?

Strangely enough, my only fetish is that for gorilla *****es. I'm all yours.