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Starter/Unlockable Speculation

Number1MinunFan

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Starters:

Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Rosalina/Luma
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Link
Zelda
Shiek
Toon Link
Pikachu
Charizard
Lucario
Greninja
Samus
Zero Suit Samus
Fox
Little Mac
Kirby
King Dedede
Mega Man
Marth
Villager
Pit
WFT
Mii Fighters
Character getting announced on Monday

Unlockables:

Sonic
Pac-Man
Olimar
Palutena
Ike
Every Other Unconfirmed Character
 

Vann Accessible

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Well, if the cover art of the two games are any indication, we can lock the following characters down as starters:

Mario
DK
Link
Pikachu
Samus
Kirby
Yoshi
Peach
Marth
Pit
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Rosalina
Little Mac


... And no love at all for Fox. :D
 
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I think every 1st/2nd party character will be a starter in atleast 1 version of the game.
 

Blackrider213

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The original 8 have always been starters in every iteration of the game. Probability of Fox being a starter is 99%. I also feel that the characters that were playable in the demos should be starters. It'd be weird if they had different starters for the different versions of the game, but I doubt it.
 

Dr. James Rustles

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Starter should really just include the original eight. You don't have to include a list of unlockables, Minun - it's implied by them not being in the starter. :p

I don't see the need for such a narrow number of unlockables. You either have many or none at all.

You uh, also included "every other unconfirmed character" as an unlockable, which is literally every unlisted character in video gaming history.
 
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Acadian Flycatcher

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This is based off how they were arranged for the demos. The Wii U and 3DS both have different arrangements for the character selection screens so I tried to match them up as suitable as possible.

Marth and Ike switch places. Makes sense now with Ike's more powered up appearance that he takes a bit of work to unlock. And Metaknight should have always been a secret character. Greninja and Palutena can go either way.

And for the people putting Mega Man and Sonic as starters because they were playable in the E3 build.. 3rd party fighters as starters just isn't right.

Starters

:4mario::4peach::4bowser::4yoshi::wario::4dk::4diddy::4samus::4zss::4link::4zelda::4sheik::4villager::4pit::4palutena::4kirby::4dedede::4fox::4pikachu::4charizard::4greninja::4olimar::lucas::4marth::popo::4littlemac::4wiifit::4mii:

Unlockable

:4luigi::rosalina::ganondorf::4tlink::metaknight::falco::wolf::falcon::jigglypuff::4lucario::ness2::4myfriends::gw::rob::4sonic::4megaman::4pacman::snake:
 
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Starters: The following characters are available right from the start.

Mario
Donkey Kong
Link
Samus
Yoshi
Kirby
Fox
Pikachu
Captain Falcon
Ness
Peach
Bowser
Zelda
Sheik
Ice Climbers
Meta Knight
Pit
Wario
Zero Suit Samus
Ike
Charizard
Diddy Kong
Lucas
King Dedede
Olimar
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Mii Fighter
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Unlockables 1: The following are unlockable characters that can be encountered randomly, even if you haven't unlocked them yet.

Luigi
Marth
Toon Link
Rosalina
Little Mac
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Unlockables 2: The following are unlockable characters that will never be encountered randomly, until you've defeated them in a challenger match.

Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Mr. Game & Watch
Falco
Ganondorf
Lucario
R.O.B.
Wolf
Sonic
Mega Man
Greninja
Palutena
Pac-Man
Ridley
King K. Rool
Shulk
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Given the differences between the roster for the demo, I wonder if each version of the game will actually have different starter characters. eg. Samus in WiiU version, Zero Suit Samus in 3DS version.
 

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I think everyone we've seen so far is a starter, with the possible exception of the third party characters.
 

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STATERS:
:4mario::4peach::4bowser::4link::4zelda::4sheik::4pit::4yoshi::4dk::4diddy::4samus::4zss::4kirby::metaknight::4dedede::4marth::warioc::4pikachu::4charizard::4greninja::4fox::substitute::ness2::lucas::4villager::4littlemac::4olimar::4mii:

UNLOCKABLES:
:4luigi::rosalina::substitute::ganondorf::4tlink::4palutena::substitute::substitute::substitute::4myfriends::substitute::jigglypuff::4lucario::mewtwopm::falco::wolf::substitute::falcon::popo::4wiifit::gw::4megaman::4sonic::4pacman::snake:

The subtitutes are characters not revelaing whi i wanted to see
 

Opossums3

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My prediction is that every character other than the 3rd party characters revealed so far are starters. Just like in Brawl. Any character revealed from here until the release of the game will probably be a starter character as well.
 

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Starters:
:4mario::4peach::4bowser::4yoshi::4link::4zelda::4pikachu::4kirby::4dedede::4pit::4fox::4diddy::4dk::4samus::4myfriends::4olimar::4villager::4wiifit::4littlemac:

Unlockables:
:4luigi::rosalina::4tlink::4lucario::4greninja::4marth::4palutena::4sonic::4pacman:

Omitted:
:4sheik::4zss::4charizard::4megaman::4mii:

I'm thinking this is the most logical outcome so far (I'll explain the omissions momentarily.) The starters are all the starters from Brawl plus the non-third party characters that solely represent their own series. The unlockables have either been been unlockables in previous titles or are newcomers that do have characters within their series already as starters (Palutena>Pit, Greninja>Pikachu, Toon Link>Link/Zelda etc.) OR, lastly, are third party characters-- with one exception.

The omissions are those that, I think, are without enough information to have a logical outcome, and placing them somewhere would just be a guess rather than something I can rationalize. Sheik, ZSS, and Charizard were all originally part of another character, and have been separated. With a change of direction for the character, a change of how to access them could come with it. I do believe, however, that since all three of them were accessible through starters in the past, that they'll continue to be starters.

Mega Man is a tough choice, but I believe he'll be unlockable. For no reason other than he's a third party character. The counter-argument, however, is that he's been such a large portion of the advertising for the game. Since it's announcement, he's been used as a selling point, and was even the shown in the first "true" fight (where Sakurai played him against a Nintendo rep. at last year's E3.) It's very possible they'll leave him as a starter just for that reason-- people might expect him to be, and they could cater to that.

Mii Fighters are the toss-up to me. It's not uncommon for them to appear in Nintendo's titles with main series characters, namely, Mario Kart. In Mario Kart, they've always been unlockables, but that doesn't necessarily mean they won't be starters given it's an entirely different franchise. I would personally place them as an unlockable character, but I can see both sides, and my choice is really nothing other than intuition.
 

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Given the differences between the roster for the demo, I wonder if each version of the game will actually have different starter characters. eg. Samus in WiiU version, Zero Suit Samus in 3DS version.
Maybe, I mean the demo sku's did have different characters, so something like...

Wii U: Starters
:4mario::4peach::4bowser::4link::4zelda::4sheik::4pit::4yoshi::4dk::4samus::4zss::4kirby::4dedede::metaknight::4marth::warioc::4pikachu::4charizard::4fox::lucas::4villager::4littlemac::4wiifit::4olimar::4mii::popo:

Wii U: Unlockables
:4luigi::rosalina::4tlink::ganondorf::4palutena::4diddy::4myfriends::jigglypuff::4lucario::4greninja::falco::wolf::falcon::gw::rob::ness2::4sonic::snake::4megaman::4pacman:

3DS: Starters
:4mario::4luigi::4peach::4bowser::4tlink::4zelda::4sheik::4pit::4yoshi::4dk::4samus::4zss::4kirby::4dedede::metaknight::4marth::warioc::4pikachu::4charizard::4fox::lucas::4villager::4littlemac::4wiifit::4olimar::4mii::popo:


:rosalina::4link::ganondorf::4palutena::4diddy::4myfriends::jigglypuff::4lucario::4greninja::falco::wolf::falcon::gw::rob::ness2::4sonic::snake::4megaman::4pacman:
 

Rich Homie Quan

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Is it too naive to think that everyone revealed so far is a starter? I mean, last go around, Sakurai kept the unlockables secret and gave you the option to see for yourself who they were.
 

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I have analysed the rosters of previous smash games, and there are a few notable things i'd like to point out:

The major rule, is that Starters are the main characters or the most popular lead of their franchise, or a representation of the most popular characters if there are multiple versions (Pikachu, Link and Zelda)

There are 3 exceptions to this:

1- 3rd party reps, are hidden.
2- important, WFT retros are hidden (notice that both ROB and MGW fill that bill)
3- If the series is considered too niche at the time, they will have no one on the starting roster (Mother in 64, F-zero on that and Brawl, Fire Emblem in melee),
*this doesn't apply to normal retro characters, as seen with the IC and Pit

So, let's first assume everyone from brawl is back besides squirtle and ivysaur, and we end up with the same roster disposition. In other words, Luigi, Jiggs, Falcon, Ness, Marth, MGW, Ganondorf, Falco, Wolf, ROB, TLink, Lucario, Sonic and Snake will all be hidden. There is a special case in Ike which i will soon address.

Now, let's see the confirmed newcomers.

WFT, Villager, Mac and the Miis are the stars of franchises which are very popular, or in Punch-out!!'s case, not out-of-focus enough to be that niche. they are all bound to be starters, no questions asked.

Now, Pacman and Megaman are obviously going to be unlockable due to being 3rd party; Greninja isn't groundbreakingly popular to be a starter, and Rosalina isn't enough of a main character for her series to be a starter, either.

finally, we have Palutena. She is undoubtedly a main character of Kid Icarus, but the fact that she is mostly a support character might bring her down to secret status. However, like Peach and zelda, she played the "damsel in Distress" paper, and was basically the major plot device in her series for the first game and a bit of uprising (not sure about Myths and Monsters). So her status is unknown to me, but if i had to bet... starter.

ike, similarly enough, has some problems due to no longer being THE face of Fire Emblem. Assuming Chrom will get in, he could've been brought down to secret status, too. However, due to being the only guy to recently star 2 games, and surely enough being very popular in and out of Fire emblem, (particularly in smash bros due to being easy for noobs to rock with), i doubt he won't be a starter, but the chance's still there.

as for rumored newcomers, first, the gematsu 3.

Chrom, is obviously the current face of Fire Emblem, what with his game being both the most recent and popular... and both factors scream "starter" to me.

Shulk and Chorus Boys, could be considered too niche and be unlockable. CB has a shot at starter role, but shulk has no such chance IMO.

Now, rumored newcomers!

Retro characters will be starters, for sure, unless they are something like, dunno... Virtual Boy or Power Glove.

Dixie Kong has a shot at being a starter, but outside of DKC3 and DKL3, she's been mostly not that important and a support character, so i doubt it. K.rool has no shot at all.

Ridley and whatever metroid newcomer we might get, unlockable. Same goes for Zelda, Pokemon, Kirby, Star Fox and Mario newcomers (Toad is less prominent than Luigi, before you argue)

I don't believe any series with 1 rep will be brought up to 2, but even then, outside of something with Baby Mario/Baby Bros, i don't see any starters. Mother and Kid Icarus have the same issues: i don't see a 3rd rep, but maybe that's because they are hidden... *snicker*

For new series... Advance Wars and Golden Sun had games recently but not TOO recently, so i'm not sure they'd get a starter character, specially golden Sun (which is less notable)

so, that's it from me.
 

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Starter:
:4mario::4peach::4bowser::rosalina::4yoshi::wario::4dk::4diddy::4link::4zelda::4sheik::4samus::4zss::4pikachu::4charizard::4greninja::4kirby::4dedede::4fox::falco::4marth::4robinm::4pit::4palutena::4villager::4olimar::ness2::4littlemac::4wiifit::4mii::popo: Shulk, Chorus Kids

Unlockable:
:4luigi::ganondorf::4tlink::jigglypuff::4lucario::mewtwomelee::metaknight::wolf::4falcon::4myfriends::4lucina::gw::rob::4sonic::4megaman::4pacman: Ridley, King K. Rool, Ghirahim
 
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Is it too naive to think that everyone revealed so far is a starter? I mean, last go around, Sakurai kept the unlockables secret and gave you the option to see for yourself who they were.
Considering that YouTube pretty much spoils everything anyway, I don't think Sakurai will be hiding the unlockables like he did in the past. Even Mario Kart 8 revealed the whole roster before it got released, and portions of the roster were unlockables.
 

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Of the characters we've seen so far, I think the following will be unlockables:

Luigi
Toon Link
Lucario
Ike
Sonic
Pac-Man
Mega Man
 

Acadian Flycatcher

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Considering that YouTube pretty much spoils everything anyway, I don't think Sakurai will be hiding the unlockables like he did in the past. Even Mario Kart 8 revealed the whole roster before it got released, and portions of the roster were unlockables.
100% agree. He even mentioned something along those lines when he revealed Luigi, so there is no way he is the only unlockable character they have revealed. There is absolutely no way Sonic, Mega Man and Pac-Man will be starters.

You can't base this off Brawl's Dojo model because it isn't the same this time around. I'm sure he'll keep some secret characters hidden until after launch, but just because they are on the website doesn't mean you'll get to play as them from the start.

And I would much prefer CGI intros or website pictures for every character instead of seeing them leaked as only 3DS models from the Japanese version of the game.
 

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Here's what I think:

STARTERS: All

UNLOCKABLES: None

That really seems to be the fashion nowadays, judging from PlayStation All-Stars, Tekken, SSFIV, Marvel vs. Capcom 3...
 

Rich Homie Quan

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Considering that YouTube pretty much spoils everything anyway, I don't think Sakurai will be hiding the unlockables like he did in the past. Even Mario Kart 8 revealed the whole roster before it got released, and portions of the roster were unlockables.
true. How unfortunate :(

On the topic of who would be in which place, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the demo roster was the starting roster. It would feel wierd if some of the demo characters ended up being unlockables.
 

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On the topic of who would be in which place, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the demo roster was the starting roster. It would feel wierd if some of the demo characters ended up being unlockables.
I don't think so. A lot of the characters in the Mario Kart 8 demo were unlockables in the actual game.
 

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Starters: :4mario::4peach::4bowser::4dk::4diddy::4link::4zelda::4sheik::4samus::4zss::4yoshi::4kirby::metaknight::4dedede::4fox::4pikachu::4charizard::4lucario::4marth::popo::4pit::4olimar::warioc::4villager::4wiifit::4littlemac::4mii:Shulk

Unlockable: :4luigi::rosalina::4tlink::ganondorf::falco::wolf::4greninja::jigglypuff::ness2::falcon::4myfriends:Chrom:gw::4palutena::rob::4sonic::4megaman::4pacman:Chorus Men

These are the forty-seven basically guaranteed by the Gematsu Leak.
 

Smashoperatingbuddy123

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Question mark on character means not sure (will be on the right side of the character

Starters

:4bowser::4charizard::4dedede::4diddy::4dk::4fox::4kirby::4greninja::4littlemac::4link::4mario::4marth::4mii::4olimar::4peach::4pikachu::4pit::4robinm:?:rosalina::4samus::4sheik::4villager::4wiifit::4yoshi::4zelda::4zss::popo::lucas: Shulk?,

Unlockables

:4luigi::4tlink::4lucario::4falcon:?:4lucina::4palutena:?:4sonic::4pacman::4megaman::4myfriends:?:falco::ganondorf::jigglypuff::ness2::rob::metaknight:?:wario:?:wolf::mewtwopm: Ridley, king k rool/dixie kong, rhythm heaven rep,

Thats what i got.

(To explain luigi, toon link, lucario, i believe they're were shown for a special case.)
 
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I dunno, I don't see Robin as being a starting character. I got a feeling Marth and Ike will be the starting FE reps while Lucina and Robin will be the unlockable ones.
 
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