choknater
Smash Obsessed
1. on marth at around 15~20% you can grab, dthrow, fsmash, and wd forward fsmash again. if on a stage like dreamland or FD where there's no platform to land on after the first fsmash, this pushes marth a GREAT distance and usually off the stage. it makes it even worse if he expects the dair chain grab and DI's away from you, which pretty much ensures the second fsmash's hit. it is possible to gimp him this way if you edgeguard him properly with blocks, ledgehop dair, and punish him for not sweetspotting.
speaking of the ledgehop dair...
2. ledgehop dair can be a good edgeguarding tool. its priority isnt great, but you can make it great with ledge invincibility. this helps against sweetspotters. practice fast falling your wd edgehog right before you think the opponent will up-B. USUALLY, the person won't sweetspot again so it's a free fsmash. if you still think they are gonna sweetspot, you can wd fast fall edge hog again and that might will either kill them... and if the land on the stage, just press up and its a free grab/smash again. gg.
sometimes, though, you shouldnt try the dair if they sweetspot anyway. just stay on the edge, otherwise you're saving them.
3. random wavesmash in PRESSURE situations. guys, don't forget why a lot of people think ic's are hard to play against... it's not because of those grabs, but also their lightning speed wd approaches! against some characters it is very unsafe to just stand there and shield, like against peach or falcon or luigi. if you ever feel too pressured, don't go too defensive because that's not a very good way to play ice climbers. up the ante and come at them with a vengeful angry wd fsmash! the worst they could do is shield grab you (or punish you if you miss, which you shouldn't), and even that's not possible if your spacing is correct. against space animals and falcon this could be an immediate kill!!
4. dthrow reverse dair SMASH. reverse dair is not just for chaingrabs. it sets characters up perfectly for that smash, whether behind you or in front of you. dthrow reverse dair to backwards fsmash is a great killer of marth and doc from my experience... reverse dair usmash for peach, luigi, sometimes marth, and reverse dair dsmash for fast fallers, sheik, roy, ganon, link, and more!
just some tips from the choknaterzzz in this holiday season ^^;
speaking of the ledgehop dair...
2. ledgehop dair can be a good edgeguarding tool. its priority isnt great, but you can make it great with ledge invincibility. this helps against sweetspotters. practice fast falling your wd edgehog right before you think the opponent will up-B. USUALLY, the person won't sweetspot again so it's a free fsmash. if you still think they are gonna sweetspot, you can wd fast fall edge hog again and that might will either kill them... and if the land on the stage, just press up and its a free grab/smash again. gg.
sometimes, though, you shouldnt try the dair if they sweetspot anyway. just stay on the edge, otherwise you're saving them.
3. random wavesmash in PRESSURE situations. guys, don't forget why a lot of people think ic's are hard to play against... it's not because of those grabs, but also their lightning speed wd approaches! against some characters it is very unsafe to just stand there and shield, like against peach or falcon or luigi. if you ever feel too pressured, don't go too defensive because that's not a very good way to play ice climbers. up the ante and come at them with a vengeful angry wd fsmash! the worst they could do is shield grab you (or punish you if you miss, which you shouldn't), and even that's not possible if your spacing is correct. against space animals and falcon this could be an immediate kill!!
4. dthrow reverse dair SMASH. reverse dair is not just for chaingrabs. it sets characters up perfectly for that smash, whether behind you or in front of you. dthrow reverse dair to backwards fsmash is a great killer of marth and doc from my experience... reverse dair usmash for peach, luigi, sometimes marth, and reverse dair dsmash for fast fallers, sheik, roy, ganon, link, and more!
just some tips from the choknaterzzz in this holiday season ^^;
