SmashCAP 3: Non-Offensive Move Discussion

[Terywj [태리]]

[SmashCAP 3]
Start date: 5/15/10
End date: --/--/--
Concept: The Zook Concept
Type: Normal / Ghost
Stat Spread: 100 / 55 / 60 / 140 / 90 / 70
Name: Zook

Basically, discuss all comptitive non-attacking moves you think SmashCAP 1 should or shouldn't have, and explain in your post as to why. Flavor posts should and will be ignored, but since these have ties to some non-offensive moves I'll be more lenient.

To make it easier for the whole of the community...please submit moves for the following 3 categories: "allowed," "controversial," and "unallowed."

Here is the list of allowed offensive moves for SmashCAP 3: Thunderbolt, Aura Sphere, Focus Blast, Shadow Ball, Shadow Claw, Energy Ball, Ice Beam, Hidden Power, Tri Attack, Psychic, Flash Cannon, Mirror Shot, Poison Tail, Hyper Voice, Dark Pulse, Mirror Coat, Iron Head, Signal Beam, Iron Tail,

Allowed
Will-o-Wisp
Toxic
Substitute

Controversial
Hypnosis
Calm Mind
Metal Sound
Taunt

Not Allowed
Nasty Plot
Agility
Rock Polish

Something helpful - http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...4&postcount=34

Remember all global forum rules apply! Have fun brainstorming!

 

[UltiMario]

I'd like to say that with either NP or Agility/Rock(mirror) Polish this thing would destroy everything with either SubPetaya or SubSalac, depends on what boosting move it is.

So I say no to those.

 

[Wave⁂]

I believe I voted Nasty Plot a long time ago, still going with that.

Substitute is good. Metal Sound for the lulz. Transform because hell wynaut.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Opinions on Calm Mind and Hypnosis?

Calm Mind might be useful, through 100 / 60 / 90 defenses and Multitype, so I can see where it would fit in and the niche it would fulfill. Would that make SmashCAP 3 too powerful, however?

Hypnosis is something more gimmicky thanks to its poor accuracy, but if it connects it gives SmashCAP 3 a free turn to hurt something bad with his base 140 Special Attack.

 

[ss118]

Wait is this normal/ ??? Or ???/ ghost or normal/ ghost where normal is changing?

I think this pokemon should NOT be allowed to use Substitute. I just feel with it's ghost typing it wiill be too dangerous. Or don't give it calm mind: one of the two.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Normal / Ghost with Multitype changing Ghost-type.

 

[mood4food77]

uhhhh

everything gets substitute outside of wobbuffet, wynaut, ditto, and delibird

subsititute should be fine, remeber, he's not that good defensively and he is slow so it should be fine

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I leave Substitute as Controversial for now.

 

[Wave⁂]

Substitute relies on your opponent switching, I'll go with allowed.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I allowed Will-o-Wisp because having a secondary Ghost-type is usually complimented with Will-o-Wisp.
Other extremeities like Natural Gift, Return, Toxic, etc. will be ignored.

Speaking of that though I'll add Toxic to the list.

 

[UltiMario]

Substitute because even Regigigas gets it. Because EVERYTHING gets it. ALLOWED.

Also Normal/Ghost with Multitype implies that NORMAL is changing type.

 

[Wave⁂]

Shedinja gets Substitute, FFS

On second thought, Metal Sound might be a bit broken.

Taunt, y/n

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I thought we had changed it to Normal / Ghost in that Ghost would change...? That's why we ended Ability Discussion with a polling on Normal / Ghost or Ghost / Normal.

Now I'm confused.

 

[ss118]

Yeah. And Normal/ Ghost won, with Normal being the changing type. Or so I thought, anyway.

I say no to Calm Mind. Just no....

 

[UltiMario]

The Primary type changes, not the secondary type.

That's how Multitype works.

 

[Wave⁂]

How about something simple like Growth?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Okay, sorry. My fault.

SmashCAP 3 isn't a plant. ... Yeah...

I'd like to wrap this up tonight so we can start the poll if possible. We currently don't have that many support moves anyways, so if we want to keep it that we can.

 

[Wave⁂]

Flavor posts should and will be ignored, but since these have ties to some non-offensive moves I'll be more lenient.

WHERE YOU AT

 

[Terywj [태리]]

If you see it fit then. To each his own. Controversial it is.

If there are no additions to the list by 9:30 tonight I'll have the poll up shortly afterwards.

 

[UltiMario]

Edit: Bah ignore this.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Poll has been up. And I added Glare. Actually I'm just going to replace it with Thunder Wave.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Glare, Metal Sound, and Taunt will be moving on.