Smash Wii U Smash troubles...

[Fearless567]

After months and months of fighting in Smash Bros Wii U...I just don't know how to even keep up with FG anymore, it seems impossible to react to KO's that I know are coming, I am decent at most with my main Sonic even if my win rate disagrees...honestly though, here is how I put my experience in FG.


The match starts up, i'm playing as my main Sonic, round starts, get's punished instantly by Roy, tries to mix up attacks and works for a short time but instantly Roy puts me in a grab combo where he slams me down and I try to dodge after the slam but I get wrecked by his forward smash...soon I just get extremely frustrated but that makes my gameplay even worse as my anger just puts me in an even tougher situation...I lose, then I try to rematch, match starts up again and this time I try to be calmer...still got wrecked at the end of the match but with a bit better performance

Ultimately, my win rate suffers from the massive wave of losses and I just get disheartened and quit the game for a week or so.

Heck, even one of my friends that is a Roy main seems like a pro at handling him AND me, and he just started A MONTH AGO.

So, at this point, I wanted to share this and hopefully get a response on how to be a better player, and yes I use short-hops and almost all tilts..even though there is one problem that I discovered to why I fail so much, this problem lies in the controls, whenever I try to do normal attacks, it automatically becomes a smash attack and then I get punished for failing to do my intended attack...

So any advice? Because i'm out of ways to deal with opponents.

 

[GalaxyMagnum]

If you're having trouble with inputs, go into training mode an practice until you can't get it wrong. Make a daily "workout" where you practice difficult inputs to keep sharp.

It sounds like your opponents are reading you. Working on mix-up is important, but there's a layer on top of that. If you know how they're going to react, then act according to what you plan their reactions to be. If you can't do it in-game, then stop and analyze. If you're still having trouble, go on Youtube and watch other people's matches.

Finally, you need to calm down. You're constantly on tilt and it just goes into a downward spiral. Try muting the TV and listening to some of your favorite music. It can help prevent you from getting overwhelmed. I know a lot of skilled players like to do this during tournament play.

 

[Fearless567]

Thanks for the little advice, another thing I like to mention is my timing becomes off a lot, so I can see partly why I mess up, it just kinda gets frustrating losing over and over even if it makes up for progress, as for practice I have done it a few times with level 9 CPU's, oddly most people can find it easy but I find it a bit hard to get them since they don't fall for simple tricks, either way i'll try and practice more and see if that makes a difference...also, i'm more of a direct-approach person..so I can see why I never really think to put mindgames into the match, it's just that when i'm on smash, for me it becomes more of a guessing game than a fighting match, but I should probably change that later on...

 

[zzmorg82]

Thanks for the little advice, another thing I like to mention is my timing becomes off a lot, so I can see partly why I mess up, it just kinda gets frustrating losing over and over even if it makes up for progress, as for practice I have done it a few times with level 9 CPU's, oddly most people can find it easy but I find it a bit hard to get them since they don't fall for simple tricks, either way i'll try and practice more and see if that makes a difference...also, i'm more of a direct-approach person..so I can see why I never really think to put mindgames into the match, it's just that when i'm on smash, for me it becomes more of a guessing game than a fighting match for me, but I should probably change that later on...

Since you like to approach so much, try switching it up against different players and play a defensive style; wait until your opponents throws out an unsafe move, bait, etc. Work on your neutral as well.

 

[Fearless567]

Since you like to approach so much, try switching it up against different players and play a defensive style; wait until your opponents throws out an unsafe move, bait, etc. Work on your neutral as well.

Thanks for the tip, i'll make sure to keep that in mind for other matches in FG

 

[KirbCider]

The fact is each and every one of us has different learning curves and we all learn a little differently as well.

Two players who are entirely new at Smash can either learn at the same pace or one can pick things up faster than the other. A lot of things can most likely influence how fast you learn a game such as how much experience you have at gaming in general and what exactly you played beforehand. Yes, all games are made differently and often have a variety of different mechanics included in them.

However, some games may cause you to learn more skills than others. Certain games will force you to develop the ability to be aware of your surroundings at all times while others may require you to have more precise timing and so on. It really depends on the game.

Point is, if you have someone who has played countless games that were very difficult and already forced them to learn skills that might be required in Smash then yes, they're most likely going to have an easier time with it. I guess it would depend on how well they can adjust to new controls, but those skills will still be there regardless. You also have to consider the fact that some characters are easier to learn than others, and sometimes who we may want to main may not be the character for us. It's just how it ends up sometimes.

I can't do a single thing with Sonic to the point I absolutely hate playing as him. I just can't play as super fast characters in general (captain Falcon, Little Mac, etc) because I can't get a handle on their insane speed; however I do great as King Dedede who has a lot of slow, laggy attacks. I'm just more in-tuned with the slower characters than the speedy ones. You also have to be aware of match-ups.

Some characters will just do poorly with other characters. There will usually always be an advantage one character has over another no matter what. If you learn the proper match-up and understand exactly what to watch for you'll have an easier time handling it. You may still have some difficulties depending on how poor the match-up is and how skilled the opponent using them is, but you'd have a better chance more or less because knowledge. Knowledge is power after all. Get all the knowledge, get all the power.

If all else fails, it may be helpful to learn another character or two. You can have more than one main after all.

Other than that, don't get saddened from your loss's. If you give them weight then they'll only weigh you down and you won't get very far. It's just a game, and everyone improves. If you expect to improve immediately you'll just be setting yourself up for disappointment.

Practice is normally the best answer, as you can read everything and anything about something but you'll still need to learn the skills.

 

[Fearless567]

The fact is each and every one of us has different learning curves and we all learn a little differently as well.

Two players who are entirely new at Smash can either learn at the same pace or one can pick things up faster than the other. A lot of things can most likely influence how fast you learn a game such as how much experience you have at gaming in general and what exactly you played beforehand. Yes, all games are made differently and often have a variety of different mechanics included in them.

However, some games may cause you to learn more skills than others. Certain games will force you to develop the ability to be aware of your surroundings at all times while others may require you to have more precise timing and so on. It really depends on the game.

Point is, if you have someone who has played countless games that were very difficult and already forced them to learn skills that might be required in Smash then yes, they're most likely going to have an easier time with it. I guess it would depend on how well they can adjust to new controls, but those skills will still be there regardless. You also have to consider the fact that some characters are easier to learn than others, and sometimes who we may want to main may not be the character for us. It's just how it ends up sometimes.

I can't do a single thing with Sonic to the point I absolutely hate playing as him. I just can't play as super fast characters in general (captain Falcon, Little Mac, etc) because I can't get a handle on their insane speed; however I do great as King Dedede who has a lot of slow, laggy attacks. I'm just more in-tuned with the slower characters than the speedy ones. You also have to be aware of match-ups.

Some characters will just do poorly with other characters. There will usually always be an advantage one character has over another no matter what. If you learn the proper match-up and understand exactly what to watch for you'll have an easier time handling it. You may still have some difficulties depending on how poor the match-up is and how skilled the opponent using them is, but you'd have a better chance more or less because knowledge. Knowledge is power after all. Get all the knowledge, get all the power.

If all else fails, it may be helpful to learn another character or two. You can have more than one main after all.

Other than that, don't get saddened from your loss's. If you give them weight then they'll only weigh you down and you won't get very far. It's just a game, and everyone improves. If you expect to improve immediately you'll just be setting yourself up for disappointment.

Practice is normally the best answer, as you can read everything and anything about something but you'll still need to learn the skills.

Thanks for the reply to this thread, honestly all of these replies are helping me get a better idea of what I need to do and what will happen if I do so and so...but it just becomes strange to me that even if I have a different learning curve, it really makes me a bit frustrated knowing I put a decent amount of time into FG after months and months, yet other players still remain superior and it's as if no improvement was made at all, on the up-side now that I am taking notes on these replies, i'm starting to see some change come from my latest battles and it gives me encouragement knowing that I could drastically improve to be the best Sonic main out there, other than that I also understand that speedy characters don't suit everyone, somehow though it suits me since when I tried to play with characters such as Ganondorf and Bowser I instantly got steamrolled since I didn't have the speed necessary to make an effective comeback, speedy is just the best option for me even though I do have a few mains not based on speed {Link, and Base Shulk} in Super Smash Bros Wii U.

Thanks for the replies!

 

[Wintermelon43]

Well, one thing that I've found helps is this:Never look at your win rate. Helps me mentally with FG.

Also, sometimes get matches with discords or something, the more good players matches the better. I play on for glory much of the time mainly due to not feeling like waiting forever for somebody to play aganist me, but it helps to sometimes do it, espicially since they can give critique. I've heard anther's ladder is good too.

As for Roy, Roy is actually low tier. You probably have a "block" aganist him, which is basicially when somebody has trouble aganist a certain character and perform worse than usual agnist them. This isn't something that completaly destroys your skill though; Nairo, the 3rd best player in the world, has a Bayonetta block. Esam, another good player, has a block with both Peach and Mario.

And srrsly, screw the control problems, i've lost complete games before since my up-b was turned into a side-b or my forward smash would show up as a jab. Them and Toon Link are the banes of my smash existance.

 

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