Smash Bros. Canonical Discussion

[Rocket Raccoon]

Here's a thread for discussing the canonicity of characters of Smash Bros.

I'll start of the discussion with:

How does Smash Bros. battles, characters travel through time and space?

 

[TimeSmash]

They don't.

/thread



Bahaha but seriously, I kind of wonder that too. Or how the Villagers in Smashville are content watching Nintendo Fight club occur in the secret arena that apparently floats above town

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

They don't.

/thread



Bahaha but seriously, I kind of wonder that too. Or how the Villagers in Smashville are content watching Nintendo Fight club occur in the secret arena that apparently floats above town

That's not possible, so it makes me wonder:

Do Smash Bros. Mario and New Super Mario Bros. U Mario the same person?

 

[KoRLumen]

Maybe it's something like Dissidia lol.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Maybe it's something like Dissidia lol.

Dissidia?

 

[Jade_Rock55]

See they are all in the same universe due to one thing...MAGIC FAIRY DUST!See they use the magic power of gypsy sorcerers and magic flying cupcakes.Then use all of this to make a great magic spell that can teleport the characters from the smash universe to their own universes.

The two Mario's are the same because they can teleport through the universes.It's so simple.

 

[KoRLumen]

Dissidia?

Y'know, Dissidia Final Fantasy? Characters from the various FF games were brought to the same world to fight for Cosmos or Chaos, and all the characters initially have amnesia. Though the actual plot is something far more complicated, that's basically what happens.

 

[DrRiceBoy]

Maybe Master Hand summons them to brawl it out?

 

[Canuckduck]

The Super Smash Bros. universe exists independently of the respective universes of each character. In other words, the Zelda universe isn`t the same as the Smash universe.

Each game in the Super Smash Bros. series, I believe, takes place in a separate universe from each other.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Maybe Master Hand summons them to brawl it out?

They have entrances. Does that count?

 

[KoRLumen]

The Super Smash Bros. universe exists independently of the respective universes of each character. In other words, the Zelda universe isn`t the same as the Smash universe.

Each game in the Super Smash Bros. series, I believe, takes place in a separate universe from each other.

But if we count the original Villager reveal as canon... Then either the Animal Crossing universe is a subset of the Smash Universe, or whomever sent that letter has access to interuniversal mail! It also counts out the Melee opening where everyone's just trophies, unless we count the Villager reveal as a separate diorama by the same kid in the Melee opening...

This is starting to hurt my head :\

 

[Canuckduck]

But if we count the original Villager reveal as canon... Then either the Animal Crossing universe is a subset of the Smash Universe, or whomever sent that letter has access to interuniversal mail! It also counts out the Melee opening where everyone's just trophies, unless we count the Villager reveal as a separate diorama by the same kid in the Melee opening...

This is starting to hurt my head :\

EXACTLY. In "this" Smash universe (Smash 4), the fighters AREN`T trophies, and might coexist in their own Kingdoms and what not. However, in Melee and Brawl, they`re just trophies, and in Brawl, they exist in their own land.

 

[MachoCheeze]

Isn't Smash Bros. all in the imagination of a child playing with his toys which Master Hand represents?

 

[xpnc]

Pichu from Melee evolved in Pikachu in Brawl and Brawl 2

the original pikachu died of cirrhosis of the liver

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Isn't Smash Bros. all in the imagination of a child playing with his toys which Master Hand represents?

Original Smash

 

[ImaClubYou]

If there's a master hand.. is there a master foot?

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

If there's a master hand.. is there a master foot?

No.

 

[ImaClubYou]

No.

Yes.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Should I even... bother...

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'm pretty sure the fighters are just trophies

After all, Amiibos

 

[D-idara]

Smash64 - Trophies, meh...
Melee - Trophies, meh...
Brawl - Trophies with personalities, kinda meh...

But Smash 4 seems to have the actual characters duking it out, which honestly feels much cooler, the idea of all these Nintendo VIPs being invited to the grand 'Smash Brothers' tournament.

 

[Hong]

Theoretically, the village shown in the first trailer could have originated from a play set or diorama come to life. It certainly didn't obey Animal Crossing rules, with how things are laid out and the appearances of the characters. I would like to think there is an entire Smashverse, with its own space, Skyworld, forests, things like that.

 

[xLemmy_KoopaX]

Smash64 - Trophies, meh...
Melee - Trophies, meh...
Brawl - Trophies with personalities, kinda meh...

But Smash 4 seems to have the actual characters duking it out, which honestly feels much cooler, the idea of all these Nintendo VIPs being invited to the grand 'Smash Brothers' tournament.

Now that you say it, looking at the trailers, it would make sense if the characters in SSB4 aren't just mere trophies. Villager was invited, Little Mac trained together with that other guy, Rosalina and Kirby interupted a Mario Kart race, the fighters are doing yoga, I don't think those are things a mere trophy would do. Why should you give an invitation to a trophy? Why should you train as a trophy? Why should you race Karts as a trophy? Why should you do yoga as a trophy?
Master Hand made the trophies for fighting, and they were already completed, so they shouldn't need to train or to do fitness.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I've always interpreted it as an imaginary scenario, it's certainly not anything that ties into other series' canons as Smash bends the rules too much.

At least until Smash 4, Villager receiving that letter makes it seem like they're all invited individually to a sort of tournament. It does bring up the question how someone like Greninja receives a letter, but eh, it's not to be taken seriously.

 

[Hong]

It does bring up the question how someone like Greninja receives a letter, but eh, it's not to be taken seriously.

Could have been really cool to see like, some kind of Greninja village, where their finest warrior was handed a scroll from some elder Greninja and it had nothing but the Smash logo on the inside.

"You know what you must do."

if Mewtwo shows up, he could have also been involved with communicating with the other Pokemon.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

My whole story conception for SSB's canon:

• SSB64

Master Hand took in the original 12 from their dimensions and made them his own personal "toys", forcing all to duke it out with each other.
They're marked by the Smash Emblem on their palms.

The original 12 however managed to defeat Master Hand, and we're let to go back on their own dimensions. To celebrate their victory, they took in the concept of fighting in the very style Master Hand had made them, and decided to turn it into an intergalactic tournament. This was also because they got to find out that the dimensions behind the heroes existed in one way or another, the same huge universe. Master Hand wasn't against this, as this meant seeing more of these characters fighting each other out.

• Melee

Melee was the first attempt - at first it was quite full of accidents due experimentation, but many folks say that it's personally their favourite of the tournaments, and most nostalgia-inducing. However, it was shown that Master Hand was plotting once again to control the fighters, turning them now into trophies instead of toys. This time he brought Crazy Hand with him to raid the tournament, who again had attempts to destroy the worlds Melee Tournament had featured. Crazy Hand got his hands on Ganondorf, Mewtwo and Bowser as his minions, but original 12 found new allies.

After Ganondorf was defeated and Mewtwo defected to the good side in midst of things, Bowser was left, but was infused with Crazy Hand's destructive powers, turning him into Giga Bowser. Giga Bowser was fortunately defeated, and the Tournament ended in good terms. This was mostly by Mr.Game & Watch showing up in the last minute out of nowhere, who also absorbed in Bowser's powers. He was never seen since. OOT Link went back to his own dimension, but Zelda seemed to protest.

• Brawl / SSE

Brawl was bigger and perhaps more well-crafted - this time the fighters decided to set it on an island separate from their own dimensions, in order to prevent ways to have their dimensions being taken. At this point the fighters were able to turn into trophies themselves at will. (But later on this playing around it would come back to them as they still were vulnerable to become wholly one, no soul.)

However, in midst of the tournament's start, presence of Primids and Space Bugs sended many on confusion and turmoil. (Essentially reasons for 'mindless' fighting.
The tournament had to be taken down while the fighters (old and new), set out to discover what was behind the invasion, leading to Subspace Emissary's events. )

- DK and Diddy brought their Banana Hoard to the island in order to have a constant supply of food and something to boast about to the tournament.

- TP Zelda met the spirit of OOT Zelda in form of Sheik's phantom. OOT Zelda pleaded her to lend herself to TP Zelda in order to save her world and continuity. TP Zelda accepted, absorbing in Sheik's spirit, thereby being able to become Sheik whenever she wanted.

- Red's Pokemon were freed by Subspace Minions, forcing Red to recapture them again.

- Lucas found out that Porky managed to land on Island of Ancient. Same for Ness.


After defeating Taboo, all the fighters rejoined, and found what was (mostly) truce. They build up the whole tournament from the ground-up, but now knowing that no threats wouldn't be around and Master Hand not willing to control the fighters for his liking anymore, it builded up really well and became one of the most festive Tournaments.

• SSB4

SSB4 has been set to be a regular tournament, and this time, now being sponsored by Master Hand in no means of trying to control the fighters due SSE's events. More fighters were invited, this time through letters, and in general colliding through their own worlds instead of brought into one place at once. Along with this is Master Hand bringing in coaches from Namdai-verse to personally train up the fighters in order to ensure even more exciting competition. SSB4's looking to be one of the best yet, bringing many universes together for a wacky, exhilarating tournament that gives World Cup a run of its money.

• Assist Trophies

During SSE's events, many villains of the dimensions Taboo had taken over were in danger as the villains left in those worlds (mostly minor) were to take or destroy them. Master Hand, knowing he couldn't assemble the Brawlers to save them, had to reach to other universes, bringing together heroes from them and assemble them to combat rangers-like team.

This is how the team of Assist Trophies were born: through their hardships and effort, they managed to capture some of the villains in the dimensions (ie. Andross), and recruited more teammates as they went on. When the tournament was to be assembled again, the Assists were asked to show off themselves to the tournament, despite not being able to fight on their own in them. ATs obliged gladly, but had to be in-duty all the times, leading on turns to be taken.
As of SSB4, the Assist have recruited even more members, and captured even more monstrous villains for the meantime of the current SSB4 tournament.

 

[D-idara]

Could have been really cool to see like, some kind of Greninja village, where their finest warrior was handed a scroll from some elder Greninja and it had nothing but the Smash logo on the inside.

"You know what you must do."

if Mewtwo shows up, he could have also been involved with communicating with the other Pokemon.

I feel a painful urge to draw that or see that drawn in traditional Ukiyo-e style :v

EDIT: In fact, that should've been the start of Greninja's trailer.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

Isn't Smash Bros. all in the imagination of a child playing with his toys which Master Hand represents?

Only guy here who remembers Smash 64.

We already know the answer to this 15 years ago.

 

[Ivysalt]

It is possible to connect many, if not all, the challengers through cameos in their respective canon. I threw this together with a few random choices and quick web searches given the criteria that a physical character (including enemies) appears in the series of another character. If you broaden the criteria more referential content or include one-game-removed connections, I feel it would all prove to be very interwoven. Perhaps it can be a community project.

a. The skull of Crocomire appears on a battlefield in Fire Emblem: Awakening. [Screenshot]
b. Samus is seen resting in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. [Screenshot]
c. Kirby fights metroids and then meets Samus in Kirby's Dream Land 3. [Screenshot]
d. Gulliver gives you (the Villager) a living metroid in Animal Crossing: City Folk. [Screenshot]
e. Link can be seen sleeping in an inn in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. [Screenshot]
f. The Puffstools from Pikmin can also be found in Deepwood Shrine in The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap. [Cite]

Edit: Whoops. I doubled up on the "d." annotation. But metroids are enemies in Kid Icarus.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Could have been really cool to see like, some kind of Greninja village, where their finest warrior was handed a scroll from some elder Greninja and it had nothing but the Smash logo on the inside.

"You know what you must do."

if Mewtwo shows up, he could have also been involved with communicating with the other Pokemon.

That's how I pictured Lucario joining in.

@ Ivysalt Viridi confirmed that Metroid and KI aren't in the same universe.

But how does she know about Metroid?

 

[allison]

That's how I pictured Lucario joining in.

@ Ivysalt Viridi confirmed that Metroid and KI aren't in the same universe.

But how does she know about Metroid?

Because Uprising scoffs at your ridiculous concept of a fourth wall.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Because Uprising scoffs at your ridiculous concept of a fourth wall.

Or maybe gods of KI:U (& other gods/deities of other universes) might know about the other universes. Maybe that's why Palutena says "There are many worthy foes here."

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Or maybe gods of KI:U (& other gods/deities of other universes) might know about the other universes. Maybe that's why Palutena says "There are many worthy foes here."

I tend to think the deities and their servants in KIU-verse have medium awareness due being heavenly beings.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

I tend to think the deities and their servants in KIU-verse have medium awareness due being heavenly beings.

Medium awareness of what?

 

[NoiseHERO]

64: Just toys in some kid's room

melee and brawl just being statues/trophies/stands in some nintendo otaku/nerd's apartment.

But trailers in melee give the impression that the actual heroes from the actual worlds are coming together for their action hungry shenanigans. So all the Nintendo characters probably have filler episode level access to inter-dimension travel plot device items at a fictional writer's will.

Or Wreck-It-Ralph.

Probably Wreck-It-Ralph.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

Maybe it's like Valhalla? Y'know, when the characters die in their universe they appear in the smash bros universe. Master Hand could be Odin. Or...like in Fire Emblem Awakening, the characters present in the game could just be phantoms of the original people.

 

[Sucumbio]

@Young Horsetail

d00d! that was epic. I vote you become the official Smash Historian. @mods Postbit pls

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Medium awareness of what?

The "player world". I dunno.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

A host of characters like Mario, Link and Kirby leave their own games to get together and fight!

This information came from the website. I think Smash 4 is actually a tournament now.

 

[dimensionsword64]

I'm pretty sure it's just a kid's imagination as he's playing with his toys.