Smash Bros 1v1 Ladder for Wii U/3DS

[BelowZer0]

SMASH BROS WII U/3DS 1v1 LADDER

My brother and I are huge fans of fighting games and this series is one of our favorite series. There are a couple things that we love about fighting games, being very high competitiveness, a diverse roster, and ladders. So my brother and I have come to propose a mixture of all three of those things to this community. That being a 1v1 ladder. If you guys/girls approve of this, we would love for this ladder to feature skilled players representing a variety of characters. We want to utilize what Smash has to offer. We would love for the top players of each character to join the ladder (I'll explain how this works later). We will start this ladder on the 3DS version of the game, but when the Wii U version is released, we will move it to that version (if someone else wants to take over the 3DS version, feel free to do so, just PM me). My brother and I came from the Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale forums and we drew great inspiration for this ladder from those forums.
Thanks for the inspiration Ginta2468.

A list will be added for the current players who are challenging and their spots as well as a list for the players who got the farthest up until someone beats the ladder, then they will be recorded.

GENERAL RULES:
1. 4 stock.
2. 8 minute time limit.
3. Stage strike system (I'll explain later in the post).
4. Loser picks next stage.
5. No items.
6. Number of rounds will be best 2 out of 3 for every ladder placement except for the final round.
7. The final round will be best 3 out of 5.
8. Ladder based on tier list (lower tiers on bottom, higher tiers on top).
9. X amount of characters on the ladder (community decides how many are on it).
10. You guys/girls vote on which characters join the ladder (please try and make it diverse to represent what Smash Bros is known for).
11. If there are updates for the game, then the ladder will change according to the new tier list placements.
12. After the first round, the loser will pick the next stage.
13. The challenger and the ladder member get to ban one stage before the stage striking process begins and before the match begins (Ex. If I ban Gerudo Valley and I win the first round, the loser cannot pick Gerudo Valley for the next stage).
14. No one is allowed to ban Final Destination.
15. If there is lag, either find a neutral host or the challenger will decide whether to challenge another day or just play with the lag (if the challenger decides to challenge another day, he/she will stay at the ladder position that he/she was at).
16. If a challenger is on the ladder while the ladder undergoes changes, the challenger will stay at the position that he/she was previously at.

THE RULES FOR CHALLENGERS:
1. You challenge from bottom to top.
2. You are allowed 1 main and 1 sub (subject to change).
3. If you lose, you must wait 1 week before you can challenge again.
4. If you lose, you must start back at the bottom, not where you left off.
5. You contact the ladder member for the challenge, not the other way around.
6. PM either BelowZer0 or Nitro_Hamster if any problems occur.

THE RULES FOR LADDER MEMBERS:
1. You are allowed 1 character (doesn't apply to the rank 1 player).
2. Rank 1 player can choose anyone from the roster (subject to change based on community input).
3. You must report back to the thread on who won.
4. You are allowed a title if you wish (Ex. The player at the bottom of the ladder should be "The Gatekeeper").
5. A backup player (sub) may be on the ladder just incase the primary ladder member can't take the challenge (the backup player can still challenge the ladder as long as the player you are backing up can take your challenge).
6. If you are unable to accept the challenge within a couple days (community decides how long) the backup player takes the challenge.
7. The ladder members should report what the challengers can improve on if the ladder member beats the challenger (not required, but highly recommended to help evolve the meta).

THE RULES FOR THOSE CHALLENGING TO BECOME A LADDER MEMBER:
1. PM either me (BelowZer0) or my brother (Nitro_Hamster) for the character that you want to challenge for.
2. All challenges will take place on Final Destination or other stages that are in Final Destination form.
3. The winner of best 2 out of 3 rounds will be accepted as the ladder member.
4. The loser can still be a backup player as long as all the challenges for that character have take place.
5. If there are 4 or more players challenging for one spot, the winner of the group becomes the primary ladder member an second place becomes the backup player (if they wish) without either of them challenging the "Experienced Community Player" (I'll talk more about that player later in the post).
6. If there are 3 or less players challenging for one spot, the winner of the group must fight the "Experienced Community Player" (please take note that you don't have to win, you just have to prove that you didn't have to win off of a fluke).

STAGE STRIKING RULES:
1. For the first round, the challenger and the ladder member will strike a stage from the legal stage list until it gets down to just one stage remaining or the two agree to play on a single stage.
2. The first player to strike a stage will be the challenger.

LEGAL STAGE LIST:
*To be determined

CURRENT LADDER:
*To be determined

CHALLENGER LIST:
-Player(s) currently on ladder

SUPREME CHAMPION(S) OF SMASH BROS
-Player(s) who did the impossible

EXAMPLE OF A LADDER (will be deleted when people fully understand how this thing works)

1. Nintendo ID: Character of Choice "The Elite Champion"
2. Nintendo ID: Fox "Elite Four Member 1"
3. Nintendo ID: Falco "Elite Four Member 2"
4. Nintendo ID: Marth "Elite Four Member 3"
5. Nintendo ID: Greninja "Elite Four Member 4"
6. Nintendo ID: Little Mac
7. Nintendo ID: Wii Fit Trainer
8. Nintendo ID: Captain Falcon
9. Nintendo ID: Mega Man
10. Nintendo ID: Pikachu
11. Nintendo ID: Mario
12. Nintendo ID: Link
13. Nintendo ID: Sonic
14. Nintendo ID: Pit
15. BelowZer0: Villager "Happy but Deadly / The Smiling Menace"
16. Nintendo ID: Kirby
17. Nintendo ID: Ness
18. Nintendo ID: Samus
19. Nitro Hamster: Bowser "Godzilla"
20. Nintendo ID: Luigi

*This is by no means the total number of entries on the ladder, the selected characters to be on the ladder, or the tier list. It's just an example.

*The "Experienced Community Player" is a player who is widely known at the community to be a good player and know all the tactics such as wave dashing, L-canceling, etc. (This player may or may not be on the ladder)

*My brother and I will have a confined spot on the ladder as it's a ton of work to keep this thing up and running. It's much harder than it seems.

*The characters that I am thinking to be are Villager, Ness, or Samus and my brother is thinking to be Bowser, Ganondorf, or Wii Fit Trainer (my brother and I only get one of the selected characters).

LIST OF THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO DECIDE ON:
1. Number of entries on the ladder.
2. What characters are on the ladder.
3. Whether or not the rank 1 player can choose anyone from the roster.
4. Rule 6 for the LADDER MEMBERS RULES.
5. How many subs a challenger is allowed to have.
6. Anything else you guys/girls think is important.

I just wanted to reiterate that we will start this ladder on the 3DS version of the game, but when the Wii U version is released, we will move it to that version.

This most likely won't go into affect until at least a month after the game is released (probably more) because we have to let the meta evolve and let an accurate tier list form.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR SUGGESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO POST IT IN THE THREAD.

RULES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE BASED ON COMMUNITY INPUT.

 

[BelowZer0]

I apologize for this wall of text.

 

[BelowZer0]

Would you guys/girls be interested in this idea?

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

I'm interested.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Okay, just because I recognize Ginta, why'd you copy this from PSASBR, the dieing, dead, deaderton, deadness, crappy, horrible, worthless game ESPECIALLY when the ladders that were ran there were always poorly organized and never worked well?

Second, THE GAME ISN'T EVEN OUT YET!!! This is like THE worst time to even be asking, let alone the fact that you seem to be getting a resounding no since you had to triple post (frowned upon here quite a bit(. Here is smash we have things that are WAY better and more organized normally. When the game comes out we're going to all want to be playing each other, not going through a ladder signed up for months in advance.

Plus, the ladder having sign ups now makes no sense BECAUSE WE KNOW NOTHING OF HOW EACH CHARACTER ACTUALLY PLAYS!!! Why would I sign up having never played a character not knowing if it actually matched my playstyle, and while it's incredibly unlikely that he wont be, Falco hasn't been confirmed yet so requiring him on the ladder makes NO sense. How did you decide the order anyways?

Now I don't want to sound entirely like a jerk, I remember you guys from PSASBR (I betcha don't recognize me though ) but taking inspiration for PSASBR to bring here isn't a good idea. Almost everything there was poorly done and made little to no sense. Having random people sign up now for a ladder when we can't even play the game yet and the fact that those people can and will forget and drop out among other things makes this a zero chance for working.

If you are seriously determined to try this I'd wait for QUITE a bit into the game was out so we've actually played and might know what characters we're good at. Though honestly, we'll have tournaments to play in then also making this rather useless. Sorry, but I can find better competition at my locals and regionals.

 

[Pazzo.]

Well, interesting idea, but Capps is right. Too early man.

 

[BelowZer0]

If you read it I never said that Falco was in, it's just an example. It's not like this is the only way to play competitively, if you dont want to play this way then don't. That's exactly why I didn't start the poll now because we don't know what characters are out yet

 

[LiteralGrill]

If you read it I never said that Falco was in, it's just an example. It's not like this is the only way to play competitively, if you dont want to play this way then don't. That's exactly why I didn't start the poll now because we don't know what characters are out yet

What about the rest, like how they were poorly organized and just plain don't work well? scheduling matches is insanely impossible logistically, people have schedules and might not be able to play, emergencies happen or life strikes and a player on the ladder can't compete, etc. The ladder system itself doesn't work well and has issues, I was in charge of a bunch of them and they all died out for these reasons leaving people pissed in the end. I dunno when the last time you played PSASBR was or the last time you participated in one of these ladders, but they never were any good no matter how far back you went (I was there since the beginning.)

(And you plan on quitting it and transferring stuff when the Wii U making the first ladder pretty pointless.)

Plus, you'll be doing this next to tons of tournaments and variations of homebrewed ranking systems that are WAY BETTER THEN THIS. If you want to do something man feel free to try but at least use a better idea then this which just doesn't work.

But I do have to mention, IT'S WAY TOO EARLY TO BE ASKING!!! I already said that but it's gotta hit home. You're asking people to sign up and show interest in something they can't even do for months for a game they have yet to play. Honestly, come back when the game has hit the shelves for a few months and consider it. you can't design rules for a ladder when you don't know all the stages or how everything works anyways. Heck, basing this on tiers? We can't even get an accurate (if you can call the first tier list that) tier list until at least a YEAR after the game is out.

Heck, this wouldn't even be the forum this would go in. If we go on history this would be in a competitive smash 3DS/Wii U Competitive Forum or somethign else. this forum would end up archived after a while and this thread would be done with it. It's TOO EARLY.

 

[Nitro_Hamster]

We just wanted to make this thread this early so that everyone can learn about it and it's rules. If your not interested Capps, that's fine. And Capps, we didn't draw inspiration from psabr the game, we drew inspiration from a good idea that a psabr player had

 

[Nitro_Hamster]

What about the rest, like how they were poorly organized and just plain don't work well? scheduling matches is insanely impossible logistically, people have schedules and might not be able to play, emergencies happen or life strikes and a player on the ladder can't compete, etc. The ladder system itself doesn't work well and has issues, I was in charge of a bunch of them and they all died out for these reasons leaving people pissed in the end. I dunno when the last time you played PSASBR was or the last time you participated in one of these ladders, but they never were any good no matter how far back you went (I was there since the beginning.)

(And you plan on quitting it and transferring stuff when the Wii U making the first ladder pretty pointless.)

Plus, you'll be doing this next to tons of tournaments and variations of homebrewed ranking systems that are WAY BETTER THEN THIS. If you want to do something man feel free to try but at least use a better idea then this which just doesn't work.

But I do have to mention, IT'S WAY TOO EARLY TO BE ASKING!!! I already said that but it's gotta hit home. You're asking people to sign up and show interest in something they can't even do for months for a game they have yet to play. Honestly, come back when the game has hit the shelves for a few months and consider it. you can't design rules for a ladder when you don't know all the stages or how everything works anyways. Heck, basing this on tiers? We can't even get an accurate (if you can call the first tier list that) tier list until at least a YEAR after the game is out.

Heck, this wouldn't even be the forum this would go in. If we go on history this would be in a competitive smash 3DS/Wii U Competitive Forum or somethign else. this forum would end up archived after a while and this thread would be done with it. It's TOO EARLY.

We realize that people have schedules they have to attend to, which is why we plan on having subs for each of the ladder members.

Switching over to the wii u version is not pointless. If we start on the 3ds version, then everyone learns all of the rules and is used to the ladder. Plus we were hoping that someone could take over the 3ds version of the ladder. After smash bros has a ton of players, so someone has to want to take it over.

Yes it will be next to tournaments, but that doesn't mean that no one is going to want to do the ladder. There are tons of tournaments, and only one ladder, so it's a different experience. And you say that tourneys are way better than this, that is your opinion and that's ok.

You already said that it's too early and we know that, we just wanted to get people thinking about it.

 

[LiteralGrill]

We just wanted to make this thread this early so that everyone can learn about it and it's rules. If your not interested Capps, that's fine. And Capps, we didn't draw inspiration from psabr the game, we drew inspiration from a good idea that a psabr player had

The idea isn't good if it doesn't work well. It's a logistical nightmare. I KNOW SINCE I RAN SEVERAL OF THEM. They DO NOT WORK WELL. Show me one ladder that ran smoothly in PSASBR. you can't.

Heck, I ran the biggest PSASBR tournaments that were ever had and those were bad enough. If you want to provide something cool for "online warriors" I totally get it, but there are WAY better ways to do this and either way it's too early to be even gauging interest. Have some patients and present it in the full form you intend once we know all about the game and there may be more interest plus it will be better organized and presented properly. Till then, this thread will stop getting responses more then likely (unless there's more triple posting) and will just get buried anyways. i'd rather see threads relevant NOW getting attention anyways.

 

[Nitro_Hamster]

If you want the thread to get buried then quit posting, no ones stopping you. And there's no need to constantly post negative comments. And it has potential, as you can see, mask'ogears and vegito are interested

 

[Starphoenix]

Sorry guys, but it's way too early for this kind of thread. Let's wait until one of the games are actually released.