Smash 4 needs another update. And fast.

[CaP_Omega]

Smash 4 is growing fast. A lot of stuff is being figured out, tweaked, refined, fixed, what have you, so on, et cetera - we all know that. Patch 1.0.4 did a quite a few good things for the game in general by making the strengths of a good lot of the characters more refined. Some of the best things I can point out are that Meta Knight has less endlag on his F-smash, Ganondorf has less landlag on all of his aerials, Shulk gets slight damage buffs just about across the board, Sheik and Greninja have more appropriated killing power, and Rosalina no longer has overwhelming control over Luma. We need more stuff like this. But if I could change anything at all in the next update, it would be re-fixing the stuff they didn't need to do with this one.

- Removal of DACUS: though the removal of DACUS may have been done to balance the roster, I didn't see it as necessary - it takes skill to pull it off, not an accident.

- Removal of Greninja's aerial landlag canceling Shadow Sneak: this one is more of a gripe for me, now, as I'm getting used to using Greninja's new and improved Shadow Sneak a lot more, but cancelling his Dair's landlag with a Shadowsneak felt like the coolest thing in the game to me. Also took skill to use properly. Maybe you could make an accident out of it, but it's not like it would have done you much harm. It would help you if you're caught in the horrible landlag of his Dair if anything at all.

- Removal of Vectoring (?): I really feel iffy about this one, because I didn't know about it before the update to begin with. If it stayed, it would be great for a lot of characters with less effective recovery.

- Reduction of hitstun: This one is absolutely inexcusable - it feels as if this were done out of enmity. A lot of the combos that were possible before the patch are now possible to dodge if attempted, and a lot of those combos were the bread and butter for some characters and a few of those combos were the only thing that some characters had going for them. Defensive play is now more rewarding than ever, and it makes the game a drag.


The game needs to change, but not like this. There shouldn't be any excuse for removing mechanics that are neither markedly exploitable or not necessary to use for the game to be fun, and there is absolutely no excuse for discouraging offensive play. That said, I probably wouldn't even be okay if these changes were implemented before the game even came out, because there was a lot of marketing that featured offensive play in general and there was a bit of marketing that featured offensive play that would only be possible in earlier versions of the game. So this sort of change happening now does warrant a direct fix, and it needs to happen soon if we want this game to evolve.

 

[TTTTTsd]

Hitstun is the exact same as it was pre-patch.

Chances are if your opponent is dodging your "combos" now they've gotten better and they weren't combos to begin with. Until you can submit to me actual proof of this claim I will restate that it is false.

 

[ShrekItRalph]

Or we can wait to see just how the patch has changed the metagame and then work on the next patch instead of making rash decisions based on a few days of gameplay.

 

[Minordeth]

Removal of DACUS is fine with me. Either make it an easy input available as an actual option for all characters, or yank it.

The changes to vectoring both help the game go faster, and increase kill-options.

And like, TTTTsd said, hitstun is the same.

 

[CaP_Omega]

Hitstun is the exact same as it was pre-patch.

Chances are if your opponent is dodging your "combos" now they've gotten better and they weren't combos to begin with. Until you can submit to me actual proof of this claim I will restate that it is false.

It really isn't. I've tried to dodge Greninja's up throw -> U-air multiple times before the patch, and it didn't happen.

Also I'll just have to assume the same thing about your claim.

 

[CaP_Omega]

Or we can wait to see just how the patch has changed the metagame and then work on the next patch instead of making rash decisions based on a few days of gameplay.

What decisions am I making that are rash?

 

[TTTTTsd]

My claim? Easy. Falcon D-Throw to Uair. Uair into Uair.

Quit making **** up lol. There's being misinformed and then there's outright lying. You're telling me that the giant 1.0.4 patch notes thread not documenting a hitstun change alone isn't enough?

Go ahead, go ask them.

 

[CaP_Omega]

My claim? Easy. Falcon D-Throw to Uair. Uair into Uair.

Quit making **** up lol. There's being misinformed and then there's outright lying. You're telling me that the giant 1.0.4 patch notes thread not documenting a hitstun change alone isn't enough?

Go ahead, go ask them.

Uh, I haven't checked the patch notes thread yet, but I'm almost certain that not everything was figured out from the get go, because more stuff is still popping up with every passing day, so I don't see why you have so much faith in that thread.

 

[TTTTTsd]

I have faith in it because in all this time there's still no documentation of any hitstun changes which would be incredibly obvious to anyone collecting data. It would be literally IMPOSSIBLE to NOT notice. It has not been changed. At all. Period.