Should Samus morph into ZSS in the middle of a fight?

[Phazon_Dude]

Could Samus morph into Zamus in the middle of a fight and change the outcome of the match?


Heres an example:

During the fight with marth the first thing you have to get is one kill on him while hes flying... you morph into ZSS. Now the marth player has to adapt to a new style of combat and also have to face one of his(her?) counters. To pull of the swamp you SHOULD be well trained at both Samus and ZSS. Don't try this if you suck at ZSS. If you seem to already have an advantage in the fight trying the to change might be your down fall.



BTW what sounds better for an online name Phazn or Phzon?
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[Metzger]

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wat

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wat

 

[ama(m/t)]

this is not a counter for marth
you are ********

 

[squarez]

Phazoning? What the... is this kinda like that guy from the link forum using "wind tactics".

 

[Pi]

LOL...I think you should make your sarcasm more obvious, I'm really in doubt of weather or not your serious o.O

 

[Krytha]

I r phazzoning nao?

 

[Ultimatum479]

Idiotic name aside, all he's saying is that ZSS is better than PSS against Marth.

 

[Phazon_Dude]

You guys do know that the name isn't the point of this topic.. wow the Samus community has really gone into the pooper... I did say there was little chance for success but its always an option.. plus I'm pretty sure ZSS fairs a better match against Marth than Samus. Fine when I master the techninique and IF it turns out to be a success and I use it to win a tournament you'll be sorry you didn't even consider Phazoning... The name isn't too bad is it? How about the Phazon Change'on?

 

[PensFan101]

You guys do know that the name isn't the point of this topic.. wow the Samus community has really gone into the pooper... I did say there was little chance for success but its always an option.. plus I'm pretty sure ZSS fairs a better match against Marth than Samus. Fine when I master the techninique and IF it turns out to be a success and I use it to win a tournament you'll be sorry you didn't even consider Phazoning... The name isn't too bad is it? How about the Phazon Change'on?

It just isn't really anything at all. All you do is just change to ZSS... A good Marth player will be able to fight both. The only thing to master is changing to ZSS...

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

*sigh* Its stupid threads like these that make me hate the character specific boards...and somebody is gonna quote this saying "this is why i hate poeple who hate character specific boards" but srsly, this technique is basically doing what is availbale to samus as it is. Switching from normal samus to ZSS isn't raeally a mindgame, cuz any good player should be able to fight both, as pens said. And besides, samus is better than ZSS anyway ^_^

 

[Phazon_Dude]

This is why i hate people who hate character specific boards.. fine I'll change the name to a basic technique with no proper name but its just basically changing into Zero Suit Samus and possibly throw off your opponent. Is it POSSIBLE that it could be used during a fight and I could have some jokingly fun naming it something? NO? OK FINE THEN PHAZONING SUCKS, MY TOPIC SUCKS, I SUCK!! Is that what you want to hear?


Anyway... yeah it was just an idea, so you guys don't really like it...... I think Samus is better than ZSS too so it doesn't and I know everyone knows that Samus could become ZSS but nobody mentioned it. I mean unlike Zelda and Shiek in melee, ZSS and Samus actually have close places in the "tier. So I thought it could be your advantage with all the Samus nerfs any new buff would be good. The ability to change into a whole new style to through off your opponent seems like it could be a mind game imo.. but i don't have the game so I guess I have to wait and find out...

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

But you shouldn't do the following:

1) name something that is basic knowledge...its like changing pokemon basically.

2) Make topics that...suck. (sry if im sounding mean but its true, the better people aren't even posting here cuz its so pathetic lol)

And actually, this topic does suck. It would be better in general brawl discussion...and how excatly does it counter marth specifically......thats another thing..you could've said useful idea, but then again its still stupid so..yeah

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

The Samus community has not failed. You are seriously just a ******.

Also, it's "down-fall," not, "down fault."

 

[X Megadragon]

What's with the bashing? This is why I hate the character-specific boards. <.<

Alright then, so you've found a way to trick Marth's... can you show us a video please?

 

[GotACoolName]

This is about as ridiculous as telling a Zelda main the B-down strategy. If you main Samus, what is the point in switching to a character you don't use as well? If you're better with Zero Suit Samus against Marth players, why not just play the entire match with ZSS instead of just most of it? Any way you look at it, this idea doesn't have any merit.

I also don't understand the connection the move makes with Phazon.

 

[Phazon_Dude]

The Samus community has not failed. You are seriously just a ******.

Also, it's "down-fall," not, "down fault."

wtf? OK...... if you don't like my topic then don't post and keep it alive instead of stating I'm a "******"...


Also, mechadragon I unfortunately don't have the game yet so I can't show you a video but when the American game is resealed and if it works I'll be sure to post a video.. The connection between Phazon and ZSS swamping was suppose to be that I "found" this idea and my name is Phazon.. you know... like volts named after Alessandto Volta. OK, so maybe this idea wasn't fully thought out when I posted it

 

[Gum]

not to mention, ZS is NOT better against Marth than PSS. she doesnt have zair, and she doesn't have the survivability and resilience that PSS does. Not only that, but ZS's whip has bad priority against Marth's sword. Not saying she isnt good against Marth. She definately outspeeds him and can **** his **** with combo, but i wouldnt say she is better.

 

[C-Dizzle]

A- What are you talking about
B- it is already stupid, and i havnt even seen it yet.
C- Why Phazoning?? i mean seriously.

 

[Phazon_Dude]

A- What are you talking about
B- it is already stupid, and i havnt even seen it yet.
C- Why Phazoning?? i mean seriously.

Oh, wow you so just posted that to fit in with the rest of the people posting in this topic...

You know what I bet when this idea is rediscovered by a guy with a big tournament title, you guys will be all supporting him.. and when i say "wait i though of it first".. no one will listen to me! Ok, fine now this is the could Samus morph into Zamus in the middle of a fight and change the outcome of the match?

 

[Falconv1.0]

1.) That isn't a strategy at all.

2.)We sure as **** aren't naming a move after you.

 

[IceIsNice]

It doesn't seem that dumb. I see where you are coming from actually. I had even thought of switching in the middle of a match too, but not against marth. Just switch when you take a lot of damage to move around easier and hopefully not get hit, that's what I was thinking. I'm not going to do it though, lol.

 

[MrNaruhodou]

Well, how long does it take to switch from Samus to ZSS? o.O If it takes long, you'll be a sitting duck. Unless you throw the opponent far away and then switch to ZSS o.O?

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

wtf? OK...... if you don't like my topic then don't post and keep it alive instead of stating I'm a "******"...

Some, people need to be informed, and I'm only here to help.

But seriously, if you find it effective to do the morph, do it. I don't have a problem with that. What you don't understand is that it really just isn't a huge discovery as you are making it out to be. You think you're the first one to think of this? Ever?

Honestly, I can see it being effective...Your presentation just fails. Now I may have been harsh, but if you're wise, you'll listen to this: next time, try this strategy for many many matches, against many many people, and reacord every match. If you have succeeded eipcly wit h the strat, post it and give us videos.

Effective strategy = win

Idea = ???

You hate me becasue I'm right.

 

[Shack]

Phazn sounds better, and this is the same as zelda/sheik in melee. Basically switch if u can, aka can use them both equally or if u have trouble using one, switch to the other. ORRRRRRRR try to get really good with just one and make ur life easier.

 

[Lilmac]

I do this on some occasions if items are used or if I need to adjust play styles for certain characters. In the case with items I'll transform after I get a smash ball or knock back opponent to give me some leverage then follow up with SB or K.O. to return to Suited form or w/e, depends on your personal preference of style.

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[Dew Rag]

always a bad idea

 

[Lilmac]

Gonna have to reiterate on what I said, "depends on your personal preference of style" I do what works for me you do what works for you.

 

[0RLY]

You will NEVER have enough time to morph into zamus before your opponent respawns, even after a star KO.

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Unless you're at new pork city, but what are the chances of that? 0:1

 

[Yorenec]

You will NEVER have enough time to morph into zamus before your opponent respawns, even after a star KO.

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Unless you're at new pork city, but what are the chances of that? 0:1

That's debatable. If you hit your opponent with a dtilt or dair on the stage that will more than definitely star KO them(meaning they are at 230%+, depending on character) and start to transform right as they go flying. If you get the transform on the first or second try, the transform lasts about 3ish seconds total. I haven't fully tested this but I don't see why it's not plausible for you to come out of the transform right as their invuln frames wear off.

As for transform? It depends on character I guess.

As for Marth? Never.

Zair is 5x more effective on Marth than anything ZSS has. End of story.

Zair spam will irritate a Marth to no end and they'll start making mistakes.

 

[I feel asleep]

the best part of switching to ZSS in the middle of a fight is that switching gives you a new set of diminishing attacks.

 

[Phazon_Dude]

^Yes, this was the whole idea that I was trying to ask about... at least now you guys aren't spamming hate at me but still, the idea isn't going down that well. Now that I actually got the game I realized how FREAKIN' hard it is to change. I never put to proportion the actual difficulty of changing. Although, ZSS is a whole new change and COULD possibly lead to your victory, especially if you know how to use your suit pieces well... does the suit pieces stay if you taunt morph?? Truthfully, I never actually tried to do the mid game swamp mostly because when I do I nothing happens. Now, I'm starting to get way better with Pit as my main but I think once I master the switch I'll start using her more.

 

[k4polo]

I could if I wanted to but I am a ZSS main. I learn Samus as well because of the code so it really depends on you.

Also I believe ZSS is in the unknown category as nobody seem to know her alot. This is killer strategy for me as I plan to probably main ZSS and maybe make Samus secondary and switch in and out. This gives me alot of versatility. ZSS and Samus main if you think of it that way.

Also on a side note, I think Samus' Zair is the move to beat against a good Samus player. Experts will find a way around Zair(I can even think of some myself, me personally I use speed to get around but there are others)

Is ZSS or Samus better against Marth? No one really knows. People just guessing. There need to be more time to answer that question. I personally think ZSS is better suited though.

But relying on Zair against a expert Marth player with probably result in your death. I think it is praise more than it should be.

 

[Yorenec]

I could if I wanted to but I am a ZSS main. I learn Samus as well because of the code so it really depends on you.

Also I believe ZSS is in the unknown category as nobody seem to know her alot. This is killer strategy for me as I plan to probably main ZSS and maybe make Samus secondary and switch in and out. This gives me alot of versatility. ZSS and Samus main if you think of it that way.

Also on a side note, I think Samus' Zair is the move to beat against a good Samus player. Experts will find a way around Zair(I can even think of some myself, me personally I use speed to get around but there are others)

Is ZSS or Samus better against Marth? No one really knows. People just guessing. There need to be more time to answer that question. I personally think ZSS is better suited though.

But relying on Zair against a expert Marth player with probably result in your death. I think it is praise more than it should be.

I never said anything about completely relying on zair. You're also correct, nobody really knows. It was just opinion. I use both of them, Samus more though. I'm speaking from personal experience. Maybe I'm just better with Samus but my vs Marth wins with Samus record obliterates my vs Marth wins with ZSS record by far. I've fought a bunch of pretty good Marths who are proficient in approaching and getting around zair.

I don't morph in the middle of a fight very often. Rarely do I get the chance or want to. Sometimes it paid off to morph, sometimes I probably would have been off in the suit.

It's very character and stage dependant. It's useful though when fighting bad matchups for Samus like Ness and Toon Link.

 

[BANSHI]

i main both and have lots of experience with both, and i'll have to say they both have pros and cons
i dont think one is better