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short hop??
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I flick the bottom edge of the x button with my thumbnail. It's an easy thick to have the button pressed for as short of a duration as possible
Wreckarooni
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If you are using the characters with the fastest SH timing then I highly suggest starting off practicing with characters that have slower SH timing like Falco, Falcon, or Marth
After a while work your way up to the faster SH'ers and after a long while you won't even have to think about it. It takes time and practice you will not get it overnight, it might even take you half a year to get comfortable and consistent with it in practical use.
After a while work your way up to the faster SH'ers and after a long while you won't even have to think about it. It takes time and practice you will not get it overnight, it might even take you half a year to get comfortable and consistent with it in practical use.
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That sounds a bit extreme. In my case, I happened to learn it really quickly. It happened like 9 years ago, but I probably learned how to short hop well in actual games in only a day
CptJPuff
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Like stated in the above, try quickly tapping the Y or X button.
I really wouldn't suggest using the analog stick, if you're using that. Using the analog stick can scew up your aerials if you're trying to do something like a SH into D-air.
I really wouldn't suggest using the analog stick, if you're using that. Using the analog stick can scew up your aerials if you're trying to do something like a SH into D-air.
Wreckarooni
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If you are going to quote me I suggest reading it all and quoting it all -
"After a while work your way up to the faster SH'ers and after a long while you won't even have to think about it. It takes time and practice you will not get it overnight, it might even take you half a year to get comfortable and consistent with it in practical use."
You use Peach do you not? An extremely easy character to SH with, she has a 4 frame window. You shouldn't need any practice.
Try using Fox, Samus, Sheik, or any other character with a 2 frame SH window. You will not be consistent in actual use within a day I guarantee you that.
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I learned how to SH 2 years before I went to my 1st tournament and used a plethora of characters, some of them were Samus, Marth, and Sheik
I thought Fox's SH timing was 3 or 4 frames. Doesn't he leave the ground on frame 4? Try my technique and you might see how easy short hopping can be
Wreckarooni
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Well I'm sorry but you're either lying to yourself or you are a savant to have mastered SH in actual use with 2 frame characters....within a day. Fox leaves the ground at frame 4 (jump squat 3), but you have to have released the jump before or on frame 2 to get a short hop, other wise it's a full hop.
Obviously we could be different, but I found mixed results with trying the method you describe when i first started out with Sheik. That and it wasn't practical in actual use (having to input something right after like pressing A for a Nair).
With 2 frame characters I still see top players accidentally full hop when they mean to short hop. I'm not talking about being able to SH in training mode 10 times in a row, I'm talking about being able to not miss a SH in an entire tourney match or set with one of the more difficult 2 frame characters. That takes more than a day.
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Maybe I could be a savant or maybe my fingernails are always at a good length for my method. I think it's more likely the latter
I used to main Fox from March 2009 - December 2009 and short hopping was never a problem for me. My 1st tournament was on Jan 2, 2009, so I was a competitive novice back then. Sometimes these days I play as Fox for ****s and giggles and I never feel the problem you're talking about
My SH method is practical for me. I just time hitting z so that I don't JC grab
Perhaps the players, you and me, are confounding variables. Also, memory from about 9 years ago is usually a bit inaccurate to some degree. I probably didn't get it down to your super tight requirement, but I recall being able to perform it reliably in only a short amount of time
Wreckarooni
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I understand where you are coming from, but I see no problem with trying all the characters SH, SHFFLs, FFs out. Even practicing a bit with each will help tremendously in knowing how an opponent using them against you will move, space, and attack.
In fact I'm a firm believer that the SHFFLs and movement of a character should be the most deciding factors in picking a main that suits you best. There are some characters that you can get the L-cancels with almost every time right away while there are others that may have similar stats but you just can never seem to get the rhythm of their SHFFL or movement down.
I do think Sheik is a good start she has straightforward movement and an easy SHFFL (as well as Auto Cancels). The only thing I dislike about her is her horizontal air mobility, so that's why I never considered her as a main.
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Gilbz
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I never really thought of it that way. I guess I can understand that. I was already dead set on falcon when I started though haha.
Clint Jaguar
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If Roy is your main, short hopping should be quite easy due to how heavy he is. Just keep at it until lightly tapping the jump button feels natural.
Gilbz
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Pretty sure it doesn't matter how heavy they are but how long their jump squat is...
He's slightly lighter than Marth (and thus can't be waveshined), but heaviness has nothing to do with SH times. His jumpsquat is one frame longer than Marth's, so he's easier to SH with.
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Wreckarooni
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^ ignore this doof
I wish Roy was heavy, that might make him a bit more viable since he would suffer less hit-stun, not get knocked away so far or thrown so fast. But he's the worst of both attributes...he's lightweight but he falls fast. He's combo food for the whole cast :'(
I wish Roy was heavy, that might make him a bit more viable since he would suffer less hit-stun, not get knocked away so far or thrown so fast. But he's the worst of both attributes...he's lightweight but he falls fast. He's combo food for the whole cast :'(
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Clint Jaguar
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My mistake.
Dolla Pills
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So I main Falco but I would play Fox sometimes and my short hops were very inconsistent with him since the timing is much stricter. Then over winter break I decided I was going to learn how to short hop. I literally just sat in training mode and tried to short hop, and within an hour or so I could do it with some consistency. After that it took pretty much the rest of my month-long break to get it super consistent in real matches, but that's really not that bad if you think about it.
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