SHL and l-cancel on shines.

[Falcology]

I know this topic has been created before.. but i couldn't find exactly what my situation is. I have a brother who uses dr.mario and when i d-air him, he shield grabs me and this is what makes me lose everytime. I need to know the exact timing to perfect the lcancel INTO a shine. Because thats what'll keep him from shield grabbing me. I try so hard to lcancel my d-airs into shines and they dont seem to be fast enough. I would d-air and lcancel and it seems i can only get off my shine a few frames later. If it helps... i use the c-stick to d-air and the y button to jump.

My other question is... how do the pros do this technique i think its called reverse short hop laser... where they turn around in the air and SHL, but they dash quickly behind again and turn around and SHL again.. over and over.. if u dont know what im talking about... watch pc chris vs ken in mlg 2006... the match on dream land... pc chris does it a couple of times. TY!

btw when i try and do the reverse shl, i do it well up to the point where i have to dash back. falco walks and i dont seem to be able to dash.

 

[captainlukey]

ok,
ill start with the rshl.
not hard to do at all...
just run short hop, tap the opposite direction to what your facing press b and fastfall...(make sure u let go of across before you tap b or u will phantasm more than likely to your death)
yuoll have to get used to before it becomes really handy to your game, it will be a while before you move like pc chris with it...

ok
lcanceled dairs to shine...\ go into slow mo to find the actuall time u have to lcancel...
i think the problem you mite be having is the simple fact that dairs feel different on shields...
i find it easier to pull this off if you dair way early and hit him with ending part of the animation... and then l cancel this way u may not even have to fastfall....
i cant raeally help you with exact timing, but you want to be dairing, and then when his shield drops to grab u, thats when u should shine and should come out quicker than his grab as it only takes one frame to perform
i hope that helps

 

[WFL]

If you want to not get shield grabbed as much try to do empty shffl (sh without attacking) and just grab him before he grabs you. For the l-canceling just go in training mode and shffl a dair->shine and if you don't get 2 on the combo meter you aren't l-canceling.

 

[Falcology]

ok thanks guys... u really answered my questions... and i tried to practise in practise mode but the c-stick makes it zoom in.... and also... on of the main questions i was asking about the rshl is the fact that pc chris and everyone seems to be able to dash back again (not wavedash) simply dash back then pull of another one and do it over and over.... watch the match with bornfidelity (falco) in it on youtube... he actually does it over and over like i said in one part.

 

[B.A.R.S]

Well in pratice mode you should go to fd and run back and forth shling all over the place, and you should also be shuffling your neutrals all across the stage. It might take some time to pic up at first but it is worth it in the end. Just pratice, pratice and pratice, thats really the only way you will get better at it.

 

[ThreeX]

to RSHL.. all your doing is sort of ... err arite lemme explain, let's say FD, run to the left, jump ( any jump is fine) sort of "flick" the control stick to the right and shoot :$ that's basically it.. and, what you were saying before about getting shield-grabbed... maybe your just trying to come up from the top and dair too much, stop getting predicted.. change it up, actually MAKE him shield, then punish him with a grapple... another thing, with the shield grab. . . instead of coming down with the dair infront of him.. try to land behind him so he can't grab you :]

hope i helped a lil.. cya

 

[thaxceptional1]

Well in pratice mode you should go to fd and run back and forth shling all over the place, and you should also be shuffling your neutrals all across the stage. It might take some time to pic up at first but it is worth it in the end. Just pratice, pratice and pratice, thats really the only way you will get better at it.

i seriosly hope you didnt name your username after cassidy's album...

 

[Falcology]

HAHHAA that would be funny

anyways ty everyone.... really helped... omg not to sound like a noob but how do i close this thread??

 

[Syzy]

Another way not to get grabbed.

If your horrendous at Lcanceling and just want to stomp your bro you might wanna try simply not landing in front of him. Spacing it so you land behind him. Lcanceling shields can be tricky at first, just keep practicing man

 

[captainlukey]

HAHHAA that would be funny

omg not to sound like a noob but how do i close this thread??

lol.,
thats the funniest shizat eva...
u cant actually close a thread my friend...
unless your a mod,

and like i said to it like pc chris u need to practice, cause if your walking out of it you pressed the direction you wanted to run too early and the game missed the "dash" part resulting in a walk...
its better tyo dash too late than too early..

 

[spoonyd]

Some other things that people didn't mention are....

If you don't fastfall your dair, they can grab you before you hit the ground.
2nd, if you do your dair later in your jump you'll get to the ground faster making it harder to have time to shieldgrab.