Shield pressure in 1.1.1

[fugnuts]

Has anyone had a chance to test out greninja's options to apply shield pressure?

Edit: I did a little testing myself.
When using training mode with hold L 1/4 speed. I tested nair and fair on captian falcon's shield I paused as each attack hit shield and tested if falcon's jab could punish
The pushback and shieldstun from forward air is enough to be safe if it is spaced at the middle or tip of the sword.
I found that the nair is safe if you immediately dash away.

This is only after 10 minutes of testing so if someone finds anything to contradict these results please correct me.

 

[Silfo]

I haven't tested anything but I could imagine nair being safe on shield if you space it properly which could be really good

 

[Jetkick]

Nair spaced Fair and Ftilt are much safer.

 

[Spiralviper]

I imagine rapid jab would be at least a little safer (not that you should be hitting that on shield anyway).

 

[bc1910]

Because the fully charged shuriken now causes extra hitlag and shield stun, we can get guaranteed grabs off someone blocking the last hit. They can't spotdodge, drop shield, nothing. It's a true frame trap.

This is only a true frame trap at certain ranges; the closer they are to Greninja when the charged shuriken's final hitbox hits their shield, the truer this is.

This is a bit hard to pull off in neutral but is nothing short of an incredible ledge trap. It beats hanging on the ledge because the fully charged shuriken can hit below the ledge, and it beats neutral getup -> block outright. It can beat every other option depending on timing. There's no risk to doing it either.

 

[Curleh_Mustache]

I can see fast fall nair into d-tilt being a decent shield pressure option

 

[potter5656]

im pretty sure jab 1 and 2 can be safe if u imeditly run away