Shield-cancelled chaingrabs

[JST]

I still don't get how it's done. =/ Every time I try to do it, I end up either doing the other types of chaingrabs or whiffing it entirely.

Are there any vids out there that demonstrate how to do it properly? And while I'm at it, any tips on how to fight Snake. Snake's been giving me a really rough time everywhere.

 

[CouRt]

ditto snake!
or get him in the air.
god i hate that =\

 

[whut?]

Post In The Chaingrab Thread.
Holy Piss!

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[PK Hexagon]

Dthrow ---> Dash ---> Cancel the dash with a shield ---> Press A to do a standing shield grab.

Note that this isn't a dashing shield grab. You'll know the difference because if you whiff you wont go into the tumbling animation.

 

[ynnek123]

Also, when you train it, WAIT UNTILL YOU SEE THE SHIELD. Then, get the timing down and make the shield visible as short as possible

 

[Vayseth]

BTW, the sheild-cancelled grab is quite a bit slower than the dashing grab. If you already have them in a grab, I suggest just dashing grab, since they can't get out of it.

Against Snake, it's easy. See if they know how to get out of the chain grab with grenades. If they do, make sure you are always in the 4th slot, since the grenades will send the snake upwards, NOT YOU. That's important. Make sure you stay out Snake's range, because he can give you a poundin'. However, Snake has two really big weaknesses: First, he can get gimped really easily by D3 via cypher grab. You can set this up easily with the chain grab. Secondly, Snake SUCKS when getting juggled in the air, which is something D3 is good at. Try doing a fast-falled nair to the ground followed by up tilt to launch them and then read their air dodge to tech chase them with bairs. It sounds complicated, but it's not too tough. D3 is one of Snake's more annoying match ups.

Here's a good video for it:
http://www.getyourtournament.com/multimedia/2008/07/family-fun-arcade-aero-vs-dsf_14.html
DSF is one of the best players in all of SoCal so, it's not like Aero's playing a scrub.

 

[ynnek123]

BTW, the sheild-cancelled grab is quite a bit slower than the dashing grab. If you already have them in a grab, I suggest just dashing grab, since they can't get out of it.

Against Snake, it's easy. See if they know how to get out of the chain grab with grenades. If they do, make sure you are always in the 4th slot, since the grenades will send the snake upwards, NOT YOU. That's important. Make sure you stay out Snake's range, because he can give you a poundin'. However, Snake has two really big weaknesses: First, he can get gimped really easily by D3 via cypher grab. You can set this up easily with the chain grab. Secondly, Snake SUCKS when getting juggled in the air, which is something D3 is good at. Try doing a fast-falled nair to the ground followed by up tilt to launch them and then read their air dodge to tech chase them with bairs. It sounds complicated, but it's not too tough. D3 is one of Snake's more annoying match ups.

Here's a good video for it:
http://www.getyourtournament.com/multimedia/2008/07/family-fun-arcade-aero-vs-dsf_14.html
DSF is one of the best players in all of SoCal so, it's not like Aero's playing a scrub.

U LIE NUB!!! lol jk, but seriously, SCG is faster. It has more range, so you can grab from further. Try it.

 

[JST]

A question.

In these videos:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HqUmbuXZ7Jk

and

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oECew6wDH98&feature=related


Is that regular dash-chaingrabbing m2k is doing?

 

[CO18]

Yeah thats a dashing grab hes doing.

 

[Vayseth]

I guarantee you, SCG is slower. I dno what it is but... you can't buffer in SCG but you can buffer in dash grabs so it is MUCH faster. You can start the dash grab the moment you do the down throw with buffering. TRUST ME, it's faster. Sheild canceled grabs are good when you are approaching and trying to grab so if you whiff you don't have that rolling animation. In the actual chain grab itself, it's much better to do dash grabs.

 

[samdaballer]

the shield canceld grab is totally useless, i cant believe no ones has figured that out, jesus christ. ALL YOU NEED TO CHAINGRAB THE CHARACTERS IS FREAKING DASH GRAB THEM??? OK??? GOD!!!!!!

 

[CO18]

the shield canceld grab is totally useless, i cant believe no ones has figured that out, jesus christ. ALL YOU NEED TO CHAINGRAB THE CHARACTERS IS FREAKING DASH GRAB THEM??? OK??? GOD!!!!!!

Stfu, not all chars can be chaingrabbed using the dash grab. Posting like u kno something.

 

[Vayseth]

Yes, they all can. But, go ahead and do it. People can do moves out of it if you so SCgrabs.

 

[CO18]

Yes, they all can. But, go ahead and do it. People can do moves out of it if you so SCgrabs.

Characters like pit and marth are easily able to attack you if you try a regular dashing grab against them.

I'm not exactly sure what you're doing.

 

[Vayseth]

I know they can't, but you do what you are doing. It's working for me so far. If it works, do it, right?

BTW, you don't need them. Whoever first said that you have to do them for this grab was mistaken, you don't need them.

 

[BurtonEarny]

I know they can't, but you do what you are doing. It's working for me so far. If it works, do it, right?

BTW, you don't need them. Whoever first said that you have to do them for this grab was mistaken, you don't need them.

You need them to ensure they dont escape the chain grab... Its the only one that is guaranteed. Also, without it you cant generate enough reach to get in a grab again on certain characters. Why would you say this isn't needed when its the grab used by the best DDD's? If what your doing works your either playing only heavies or your opponents dont know how to escape.

 

[ynnek123]

Characters like pit and marth are easily able to attack you if you try a regular dashing grab against them.

I'm not exactly sure what you're doing.

HE'S TOO SLOW!!!

Seriously. If you think dashing grabs are faster, you're doing it wrong. Sure, it SEEMS faster but a standing grab has far more range then a dashing grab.

 

[brawlerbrad91]

Vayseth: MMMK, even if you are right (seriously???), SCG's take up much less room so you get more off before you reach the edge, just doing dashing grabs makes you slide moar, and people can buffer a roll or a spotdodge if you just do dashing grab from what i've experienced so far

 

[ynnek123]

Vayseth: MMMK, even if you are right (seriously???), SCG's take up much less room so you get more off before you reach the edge, just doing dashing grabs makes you slide moar, and people can buffer a roll or a spotdodge if you just do dashing grab from what i've experienced so far

yeah, and why do they take longer to reach the edge? Because they have more range, so they can grab the opponent from farther away, thus making them faster, even if only by a few frames

 

[BurtonEarny]

yeah, and why do they take longer to reach the edge? Because they have more range, so they can grab the opponent from farther away, thus making them faster, even if only by a few frames

if they are faster thhy can they be escaped and a proper scg cant?

 

[ynnek123]

if they are faster thhy can they be escaped and a proper scg cant?

I was talking about the SCG lol read my other comments. sorry for misunderstanding

 

[Vayseth]

I've never seen M2K do them, nor any of these "pro D3s" that you all are referencing. I mean, you can do either, it's just easier to do dash ones.

 

[BurtonEarny]

I've never seen M2K do them, nor any of these "pro D3s" that you all are referencing. I mean, you can do either, it's just easier to do dash ones.

They use that grab. watch a good DDD on a heavy, yes they dash grab sometimes, because they cant get away as easily, but on littler characters you just can use the dash grab because they go too far away. Watch a replay of a good ddd vs. a smaller character vs. lucas or pit and you will notice they dont slide when they chain grab... this means they are scg. The only reason you dont notice a difference is because they have the timing perfected, so you dont see the shield many times because its up and gone nearly instantly and you can only tell they use it because they dont slide. Also, even if they WERE the same speed, you can do more scg because you DONT slide, meaning more grabs, meaning more damage, meaning better, meaning your foolish for not using it.

Also, to the other person... sorry I thought you were being difficult too. Thats totally my mistake. Apologies...

 

[Vayseth]

I looked into it today. A dashing grab grabs at 9 frames a standing at 6. A shield takes 2 frames to go out and the grab can be initiated on the 3rd frame. They are exactly the same speed, just that you don't slide, as you said. My mistake =(

 

[ynnek123]

vayseth, those vids of Azen vs M2K aare from like, 3 months ago lol.

 

[JST]

BTW, I have another question regarding the vids I posted. How does M2K shorten the CG like that? Whenever I do it on anyone, I travel like 1/4 the length of Battlefield, while M2K travels like 1/6. He also doesn't lunge as far. :/

 

[ynnek123]

BTW, I have another question regarding the vids I posted. How does M2K shorten the CG like that? Whenever I do it on anyone, I travel like 1/4 the length of Battlefield, while M2K travels like 1/6. He also doesn't lunge as far. :/

I beleive it said how to shorten your chain grabs in the chaingrab sticky.. READ THE STICKIES ****IT!

 

[Vayseth]

It doesn't, it doesn't mention SCGs at all.

 

[ynnek123]

whoops, I'm sorry. I really thought this thread was stickied last time I saw it o_O
whatever, it's not in there either >_> I am really sure there was a thread on these boards in which it said how to make the distance of your chains shorter

 

[CO18]

Said the direct opposite of what i meant.. wtf.

 

[PinkPwnageFrenzy]

Only thing that dash grabs are better than SCG's for are setting up for edgeguarding via fairs/bairs at the end of the stage. Then again, if you're good at it it could lead to an early kill. However, I like doing the SCG for the added damage from the 1-2 extra grabs you get. Those plus grab attacks really make a difference.

 

[Vayseth]

Anyone got a video or something showing the difference between them? It almost seems if you do a dash attack and hit down immediately that the throw comes out before you slide so you get a similar amount. The only thing you can't get are the punches inbetween because if you pause to punch, you slide too much. So SCGs get you a lot more dmg, but aren't 100% necessary it seems.

 

[ynnek123]

Anyone got a video or something showing the difference between them? It almost seems if you do a dash attack and hit down immediately that the throw comes out before you slide so you get a similar amount. The only thing you can't get are the punches inbetween because if you pause to punch, you slide too much. So SCGs get you a lot more dmg, but aren't 100% necessary it seems.

They are necessary for characters like marth who can get out with their up-B. I'll try to make a vid right now

EDIT: Can't get the vid to my pc -_____-'
I recorded on two phones(A and B) and my pc is C. A can send to B and B cannot send to A. C can send to A and B but A and B can't send to C. WTF is going on o_O

 

[Omni]

Everyone shut up.

Shield-cancel cg is better. Regular cg just makes DDD slide when he grabs them again; it's not because it's faster. Understand this.

The amount of frames it takes for a grab to come out of shield is faster than the amount of frames it takes for a grab to come out of a dash. Also, a standing grab has more range then a dash grab.

 

[ynnek123]

they don't beleive it unless you show proof. watch the rest of the thread. BTW, vid uploading. will bump once completed
and excuse me for the clumsyness in the beginning, I had to use wiimote + nunchuk aty the moment -_-

EDIT: What does this mean? It says: Rejected (duplicate upload) ??? anyone has any experience with this?

EDIT 2: LOOL I CHOSE THE SAME VIDEO I UPLOADED BEFORE. Upload coming soon

 

[ynnek123]

BUMP
It's really bad quality, I had to use my mums cell phone. Skip to 1:30 for the things i wanted to let you see. First I did SC grabs and then dashing grabs. It took 6 SCGs to go from one to the other side and 4-5 with dashing grabs. next I did the chain grabs. First dashing grabs and then SCGs, to show SCGs are faster. From there on, I'm not able to see what happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksfTrrVCZNM
once again, i was using wiimote + nunchuk, so sorry

better quality vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LTlQRqOBmU

 

[ruiisu]

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Very cool. Thanks!
I was trying to follow but got a little confused as to which was which. Gonna have to keep on it till I get it right. The timing is very precise... :/ Practice makes Perfect!

 

[saberhof]

See if they know how to get out of the chain grab with grenades. If they do, make sure you are always in the 4th slot, since the grenades will send the snake upwards, NOT YOU. .

WTF, 4th slot?? what does that have to do with anything?...>o>..something im missing???

 

[ynnek123]

priority -.- it has been pointed out so many times... the higher your controller slot the more priority you get on some things. IN BRAWL

 

[BurtonEarny]

i think thats so wierd though, but its proven... its sad that people have to flip for controller slots now.