Sheik cant get nerfed soon enough

[leesinger]

Literally an overpowered character in this game. There are only two problems but they absolutely need to be addressed:

1. Her recovery. Its way too safe and she can literally recover from anywhere on the stage. It kills. It has a windbox. It has invincibility. It has special properties such as auto-cancels, meaning you can literally use it on stage without being punished. It needs to be nerfed. Ideas: Remove invicibility frames allowing for the ability to actually punish and edgeguard a sheik,(its currently almost impossbile and only a few characters can do it). Increased landing lag. Removal of the wind box,(why does this even exist). Reduced knockback scaling. Reduced recovery range.

2. Her needles. They are far and away. FAR AND AWAY. The best projectile in the game. They can be angled, they can be used to combo, they beat literally ever other move, have insane range, and literally no cooldown, also due to auto-canceling properties. Nerf them. Ideas: (without limiting sheik's creativity, because that is a good thing). Reduced knockback scaling, (why does this even exist) and reduce'd range. Thats it.

Those two changes absolutely need to happen for the health of this game. With these changes sheik would still be the best character in the game, but it would allow for other characters to even have a chance, and right now they don't.

 

[jam1garner]

Needles being merged would pretty much bring her to the level of other top tiers. She isn't exactly miles away from the other top tiers.

 

[leesinger]

Ib4 people come in and say "well zero just beat vinnie with diddy". To them I would say to watch the interview he had with TKBreezy after winning. He goes into great detail of just how hard the MU is for diddy, who arguably has the second best neutral in the game,(behind sheik..).

Sheik mains don't get me wrong, watching the amazing things sheik can do and the cooll combos and strings she can get are super hype. However, what really pisses me off is how safe she is. She can keep her f-air, imo if you can space that consistently in the heat of battle in a tournament then you are a very skilled player and should be rewarded for that, but people who camp incessantly with needles and the fact that its literally impossible to gimp sheik's recovery scream for her to be nerfed.

Its almost inevitable that she will be, so I just hope they don't overdue it.

 

[jam1garner]

Ib4 people come in and say "well zero just beat vinnie with diddy". To them I would say to watch the interview he had with TKBreezy after winning. He goes into great detail of just how hard the MU is for diddy, who arguably has the second best neutral in the game,(behind sheik..).

Sheik mains don't get me wrong, watching the amazing things sheik can do and the cooll combos and strings she can get are super hype. However, what really pisses me off is how safe she is. She can keep her f-air, imo if you can space that consistently in the heat of battle in a tournament then you are a very skilled player and should be rewarded for that, but people who camp incessantly with needles and the fact that its literally impossible to gimp sheik's recovery scream for her to be nerfed.

Its almost inevitable that she will be, so I just hope they don't overdue it.

I was just saying her advantage over other top tiers is comparable to melee Fox over Falco...

 

[ShinRamen]

yawn, snore etc

 

[Metallinatus]

Says the Luigi main....
Can we please finally stop crying for not being good enough?
Like.... please?
"Plz nerf" threads should be just banned from this forum.... we got enough of those already.

 

[TurboLink]

Ib4 people come in and say "well zero just beat vinnie with diddy". To them I would say to watch the interview he had with TKBreezy after winning. He goes into great detail of just how hard the MU is for diddy, who arguably has the second best neutral in the game,(behind sheik..).

Sheik mains don't get me wrong, watching the amazing things sheik can do and the cooll combos and strings she can get are super hype. However, what really pisses me off is how safe she is. She can keep her f-air, imo if you can space that consistently in the heat of battle in a tournament then you are a very skilled player and should be rewarded for that, but people who camp incessantly with needles and the fact that its literally impossible to gimp sheik's recovery scream for her to be nerfed.

Its almost inevitable that she will be, so I just hope they don't overdue it.

Her recovery is not impossible to gimp because I've been Meteor Smashed by a Charizard twice in a row. But it is very good.

Says the Luigi main....
Can we please finally stop crying for not being good enough?
Like.... please?
"Plz nerf" threads should be just banned from this forum.... we got enough of those already.

I do think it's kind of funny that it's a Luigi main crying for Sheik nerfs to be honest. xD

 

[ArikadoSD]

Another thread? You do realize there are a million other threads discussing this, AND a social for random stuff/complaints like this?

Also the op reeks of bias. you basically want to murder two of Sheik's best qualities.

 

[leesinger]

Another thread? You do realize there are a million other threads discussing this, AND a social for random stuff/complaints like this?

Also the op reeks of bias. you basically want to murder two of Sheik's best qualities.

Sheik's best qualities are her frame data and lagless moves. Her recovery is rediculously good. Its too good. The character with the best projectile and best ground and air game shouldn't be un-punishable off-stage too. I'm voicing a frustration that the majority of competetive and casual players have about this character and as far as I can tell not doing it in an innappropriate fashion. I saw a video and very well made video at that regarding sheiks current state. I don't remember where, but it was somewhere on this forum and the majority of proposed nerfs were much harsher than anything I've suggested.

Luigi is a pubstomper, thats about it. Show me a tourney on a national level where luigi placed top 5 pls.

 

[jam1garner]

Sheik's best qualities are her frame data and lagless moves. Her recovery is rediculously good. Its too good. The character with the best projectile and best ground and air game shouldn't be un-punishable off-stage too. I'm voicing a frustration that the majority of competetive and casual players have about this character and as far as I can tell not doing it in an innappropriate fashion. I saw a video and very well made video at that regarding sheiks current state. I don't remember where, but it was somewhere on this forum and the majority of proposed nerfs were much harsher than anything I've suggested.

Luigi is a pubstomper, thats about it. Show me a tourney on a national level where luigi placed top 5 pls.

ಠ_ಠ

 

[Swamp Sensei]

We don't actually allow threads like these.

Wanting a nerf is fine, but making a whole thread for it isn't. There are better places for it such as the competitive general discussion.

Besides.

It comes off as whiny bro.