Roy (Fire Emblem), my support.

[Roy-Kun]

Ok, as I mentioned before, I am a Roy supporter, and I actually would like to see him again in the Super Smash Bros. fields, so here is my support for him...

NOTE: Before you think i'm doing this for being a Roy fan, think better. I'm also using my brain to support this fella, and I know that he also may leave, but hey! I just want to support and give my thoughts about him.

Ok, shall I start?

This is Roy, the Lord of the sixth game of the Fire Emblem series, and first game to be portable.

As I know, Roy is in part liked an in other part disliked, he's in the balance in terms of the popularity, maybe i'm right saying that he's more liked than disliked.

I think i'll start with the people who like Roy, at least in Japan to start first:

The reasons of him being liked are the facts that people feel him being "easier" to use than Marth in SSBM, other may be that his game (FE6) being the first portable Fire Emblem game, others... well I can't think ways of that but there should be many.

I also visit lots of Fire Emblem fan sites (yes, japanese fansites) and most of the work (fanfics, oekaki and fanart) goes in the following order of liking:

- Fire Emblem 1/3
- Fire Emblem 4/5
- Fire Emblem 6
- Fire Emblem 9/10
- Fire Emblem 8

So, I can easily say that people in Japan sure enjoyed/liked Fire Emblem 6, making a boost to the game's hero, Roy.

Aside of that, if I remember correctly, in the Toukonen someone asked for Marth and Roy not being removed, instead that person asked to modify Roy's (or maybe both?) moveset so there is no removal.

^ Hey, i'm not sure about this, but I remember reading something similar, if I'm wrong, apologize me by my mistake.

I'm going to switch now to the out-Japan countries, all right?

Well, Roy is in here also kind of liked, i'm sure that everyone knows that Fire Emblem 6 is the most popular Japan-Only Fire Emblem game, right? Maybe it's because of being from the GBA era, and people are used to it. Still, Fire Emblem 4 is commented to be the best, I agree with that, but with saying that Fire Emblem 6 is "crap" I do not accept it.

First of all, the new magic system that we use now (...at least used, since FE9 brought back the old system) made things easier, and Dark Magic being much stronger is something good, eh?

Also, the Support System, which game started it? Yes, Fire Emblem 6, it was based on the Romance system of Fire Emblem 4, but instead like before, this time the support system makes certain character when is supported with someone, have some little boost in their stats (though, is not shown in the character's status sheet) and have a better development in the battlefield. Higher the support better the character's development in the battles. Oh also, it has been used by far since FE6 to FE10, don't known if it's going to be used in FE11 though.

And the other complaints are... lame, just lame, for example, history? What history? For a Fire Emblem game that's a nice history. And the difficulty, is a bonus, nothing can deny that, even that Hard Mode of Hector's route is nothing compared to FE6's Hard Mode.

That's my defense for FE6, and also for Roy, since he starred the game.

Now, I go for the bad side, the stuff that may elude the fact that Roy may not appear... and maybe a few of my counters to them.

First of all, I hate to accept it, but the fact that he was in Melee for adversiting takes off a bit his chances for returning, but Roy did something great, reviving in a great wide the Fire Emblem sagas that were pretty much dead for a time (not to blame... but Fire Emblem 5's sales weren't good), and also became the third best selling Fire Emblem game.

Other bad thing is that he technically "reeplaced" or "stole" Sigurd's possible spot in the Melee cast, Sigurd fans sure disliked that i'm sure of it, I can't really blame them for that.

And the last, but maybe... the dumbest is the fact that "Roy sucks" well let me tell you this: Roy does not "suck", he is a decent character, not the best, neither the worst. He is just an "ok" character, just the ideas of him to "suck" is because most of people just compare him to Marth, and it has become a mortal virus that infects a person and thinks the same way.

Ok, this is all what I got to say to my favorite character, Roy. Wanna discuss/disagree/agree? I'm here waiting. D:

Oh please, do not tell stuff as "Roy sucks, it's a fact, this thread is a failure", post wisely okay?

 

[NukeA6]

Another Roy Thread?

 

[Roy-Kun]

Another Roy Thread?

More posts like this?

Would you mind reading the thread first?

 

[Marthgreil]

More posts like this?

Would you mind reading the thread first?

I did. The japenese hated FE6. Also, Roy's only savior is the one developer who feels like revamping him.

 

[vesperview]

You could've just posted this in the official Roy thread, is not like he can read your support anyway, lol.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=74391

 

[Roy-Kun]

I did. The japenese hated FE6. Also, Roy's only savior is the one developer who feels like revamping him.

Saying that is... pretty lame, besides, "hated"? Then why is FE6 the third best-selling Fire Emblem game? I'm sure Nintendo wouldn't waste their time on making copies of a bad game.

Tell me about my point of the fansites, undenyable proof.

You could've just posted this in the official Roy thread, is not like he can read your support anyway, lol.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=74391

Yeah i've seen it, but I think this is a bit too much to go in there, isn't it?

 

[Big One]

Roy sucks, it's a fact, this thread is a failure.

He doesn't suck because he sucks in Melee, he sucks because in the actual games he's a very dull and lacking character compared to just about every other Fire Emblem lord. Probably one of the worst characters in the whole **** series. He was just some filler character added in Melee to advertise the new FE game and to represent the newer FE generation (something Ike is doing right now in Brawl; not for advertisement, though, but he is a rep for a newer FE generation).

Pretty much he doesn't deserve a place in Brawl at all compared to FE giants like Sigurd and Marth (and Ike, who is confirmed, of course).

 

[Marthgreil]

You could've just posted this in the official Roy thread, is not like he can read your support anyway, lol.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=74391

Lets not bump the year old topic.

Also, what fansites. Maybe by AMericans who thought Roy was amazing in Melee (I admit his up b took advandage of his sweetspot) but other than that I doubt there are sights for Roy.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Roy sucks, it's a fact, this thread is a failure.

He doesn't suck because he sucks in Melee, he sucks because in the actual games he's a very dull and lacking character compared to just about every other Fire Emblem lord. Probably one of the worst characters in the whole **** series. He was just some filler character added in Melee to advertise the new FE game and to represent the newer FE generation (something Ike is doing right now in Brawl; not for advertisement, though, but he is a rep for a newer FE generation).

Pretty much he doesn't deserve a place in Brawl at all compared to FE giants like Sigurd and Marth (and Ike, who is confirmed, of course).

Jeez, thanks for being nice.

In the actual games he sucks? It's all about matter of how he turns out you know?

I've seen even worse Lords, Alm, Celica, Leaf? Well Leaf can be compared to Roy a bit, but IMO, he is bad compared to Roy (NOT considering FE4, since he lacks of Lord-like status in that game).

Besides, I do know that he may be crushed by other characters such as Marth, Sigurd and Ike, but he has his chances of appearing, you should accept it.

Lets not bump the year old topic.

Also, what fansites. Maybe by AMericans who thought Roy was amazing in Melee (I admit his up b took advandage of his sweetspot) but other than that I doubt there are sights for Roy.

All right.

...Read again, those are not American fansites, those are Japanese fansites, yes, Japanese.

No, i'm not lying, i'm dead serious.

 

[vesperview]

Lets not bump the year old topic.

Also, what fansites. Maybe by AMericans who thought Roy was amazing in Melee (I admit his up b took advandage of his sweetspot) but other than that I doubt there are sights for Roy.

Then bump the other one on the front page! The thing is, we don't need this, when they are having the same discussion in the other thread.

@ Topic Creator:

You're just biased cause he is your main in Melee, put your feet on the ground and you'll see Roy doesn't deserve to be in Brawl.

 

[Big One]

In the actual games he sucks?

Yes, I believe so. He's as generic as generic can get in terms of personality and backstory.

I've seen even worse Lords, Alm, Celica, Leaf? Well Leaf can be compared to Roy a bit, but IMO, he is bad compared to Roy (NOT considering FE4, since he lacks of Lord-like status in that game).

Which is why none of those Lords should be in Brawl at all, along with Roy.

Besides, I do know that he may be crushed by other characters such as Marth, Sigurd and Ike, but he has his chances of appearing, you should accept it.

I do, he has a very slim chance in Brawl, that I can easily accept. He's still a terrible character as a whole, though. That's what I'm pointing out. He isn't as great as you think he is.

 

[Roy-Kun]

You're just biased cause he is your main in Melee, put your feet on the ground and you'll see Roy doesn't deserve to be in Brawl.

I'm not biased, and he's not my main in Melee. My main in Melee is Falco.

And other thing: I have the feet in the ground, and people like you are the ones who should put them in the ground, I mean, the obvious is that Roy may return, but he has low chances, but it's not like he has 0% chances of returning.

 

[vesperview]

He doesn't but they don't get to far from 25 either, you should be supporting Falco.

 

[Roy-Kun]

He doesn't but they don't get to far from 25 either, you should be supporting Falco.

Actually, we can't say which are Roy's chances, but what we can say is that he sure has his own chances.

Why I should? Falco has enough support already.

And he's not my favorite, one thing is "Main", another is "Favorite", ok?

Yes, I believe so. He's as generic as generic can get in terms of personality and backstory.

Which is why none of those Lords should be in Brawl at all, along with Roy.

I do, he has a very slim chance in Brawl, that I can easily accept. He's still a terrible character as a whole, though. That's what I'm pointing out. He isn't as great as you think he is.

Too bad, he ended up nicely to me, and so to other people.

I won't answer to that, I don't find logic at it.

You should think better, think a little more of what Roy (or FE6) did to the Fire Emblem series, introducing the new systems they use, AND revived the series from the death.

Yes, Fire Emblem 6 did it, if you keep denying that, you know nothing of Fire Emblem.

 

[vesperview]

Actually, we can't say which are Roy's chances, but what we can say is that he sure has his own chances.

That's why I didn't give you an exact number, but still you can't assume he has more than 50% chance of returning, because it would be wishful thinking, practically everything is working against him, Ike, Micaiah, Black Knight and Marth have way more chance than Roy.

 

[Big One]

Too bad, he ended up nicely to me, and so to other people.

Play Fire Emblem 4 and tell me Roy is a good Fire Emblem lord. Go on, try it.

I won't answer to that, I don't find logic at it.

There IS logic to it. It's simple: ****ty and undeserving characters don't deserve it in Brawl especially when they're overshadowed by many other characters, even in their own series. What logic are you missing there?

You should think better, think a little more of what Roy (or FE6) did to the Fire Emblem series, introducing the new systems they use, AND revived the series from the death.

Yes, Fire Emblem 6 did it, if you keep denying that, you know nothing of Fire Emblem.

Lol, yeah, you think that. You're just in delusion if you really think that, there's no way to tell you the facts to things if your brain is all mixed up and permanently set.

 

[Roy-Kun]

That's why I didn't give you an exact number, but still you can't assume he has more than 50% chance of returning, because it would be wishful thinking, practically everything is working against him, Ike, Micaiah, Black Knight and Marth have way more chance than Roy.

I accept that. Still, it annoys me the fact that the Black Knight is too liked (*coughoverratedcough*), I mean, there are better villians in the Fire Emblem world, Alvis? Antagonist of Fire Emblem 4

Spoiler

who also killed Sigurd?

Micaiah is an acceptable choice, but in the case of villians for Fire Emblem, I see it really hard, since there is not an specific villian in the series, so as there is no specific hero in the series.

Play Fire Emblem 4 and tell me Roy is a good Fire Emblem lord. Go on, try it.

There IS logic to it. It's simple: ****ty and undeserving characters don't deserve it in Brawl especially when they're overshadowed by many other characters, even in their own series. What logic are you missing there?

Lol, yeah, you think that. You're just in delusion if you really think that, there's no way to tell you the facts to things if your brain is all mixed up and permanently set.

Oh please, don't ask me to compare Roy with Sigurd. It's like comparing an apple with an orange. Same trying to match Sigurd with other Fire Emblem Lords (Hector, Ephraim, Marth), excluding Ike, he is the only match.

Ok, I understand now.

Oh, i'm not stupid, and i'm not set. I made an examination, and yes, Fire Emblem 6 revived the series. Wanna know how?

Fire Emblem 5's sells weren't good compared to the other Fire Emblem games, and also, the series needed a bump since Fire Emblem 5 was shown (1999), and Roy did it, with the appearance of Fire Emblem 6 in 2002, and making better sales (heh, I can say twice than FE5), making it as the 3rd best-selling Fire Emblem game.

And the system is: the Support System, isn't it useful? You disagree? Too bad, it is.