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RMT Hail Team (You guys lucked out)

Wii4Mii 99

Smash Lord
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Apr 27, 2007
Messages
1,859
Yep. I don't feel like making you guys wait until I complete all 4 teams for you to see them. I'll esuage your tension by providing you with a view of my Hail Team.


Now, since this is a Hail team, it should immediately occur to you that it would have a Fire, Fighting, and Rock weakness. However, I have some ways to prevent my team from being Infernape and Heracross fodder. (If my Abomasnow is shiny, then you could call this a mono-color team (Blue).)

OK, without further adu, here... is my team.


Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Snow Warning
Timid (Spd+ Atk-)
6 Atk / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd
- Substitute
- Leech Seed
- Blizzard
- Focus Punch

Lead; Gets the Hail going. It can clash with Blissey thanks to SubSeed and Focus Punch. Since the occasional Hippowdon leads are slower, they get the Sandstorm going. Blizzard scares them away. Blizzard also scares those Grass types who try to stop Leech Seed. Focus Punch handles Tyranitar and Weavile as well as Heatran.


Weavile @ Choice Band / Choice Scarf
Pressure
Adamant (Atk+ SpAtk-) / Jolly (Spd+ SpAtk-)
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
- Ice Punch / Ice Shard
- Night Slash / Pursuit
- Brick Break
- Aerial Ace

Physical Sweeper; This is the one I need the most help with. I'm leaning towards this set:

Weavile @ Choice Scarf
Pressure
Adamant (Atk+ SpAtk-)
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
- Ice Punch
- Night Slash
- Brick Break
- Aerial Ace

Because it's Choice Scarfed, I don't have to worry that much about other Choice Scarfers and DDers. Weavile is probably the only thing I have to handle Azelf. And Heracross. And a bunch of other threats.


Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
Liquid Ooze
Calm (SpDef+ Atk-)
204 HP / 96 SpAtk / 172 SpDef / 38 Spd
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Electric]

A Rapid Spinner is very important for this team. It gets rid of Stealth Rocks, which removes 4/6 of my Pokemon 25%. Toxic Spikes also allows Walrein to stall Pokemon. Tentacruel can also get rid of some other Spinners, like Claydol and Donphan with Surf and Starmie with Hidden Power [Electric]. Pretty much my only MixApe counter besides the outspeeding Weavile. Tentacruel is also a Fighting resist, which is crucial for my team. Tentacruel can handle some Special Attacks.


Froslass @ Focus Sash
Snow Cloak
Timid (Spd+ Atk-)
6 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd
- Spikes
- Destiny Bond
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt

Puts up Spikes, which helps when Walrein Roars. With the Focus Sash-Destiny Bond combo, Froslass can remove many potential threats to this team. But until then, it can BoltBeam, lay down Spikes, and block Rapid Spins. It's also immune to Fighting attacks.


Garchomp @ (Item Help)
Sand Veil
Impish (Def+ SpAtk-)
122 HP / 252 Def / 136 Spd
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Flamethrower
- Stealth Rock

Now before you ask questions, listen up. Garchomp is designed to be a miniature Physical Wall. You know, to take some Close Combats, etc before Walrein starts stalling. The EVs let it outspeed Timid Smeargle. Garchomp also sets up the Stealth Rocks, which are in favor for Walrein's stalling.


Walrein @ Leftovers
Ice Body
Bold (Def+ Atk-)
220 HP / 244 Def / 46 Spd
- Substitute
- Protect
- Roar
- Blizzard

You all know Stallrein.

I'll add a threat list later.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99
 

mood4food77

Smash Hero
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Messages
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give tentacruel haze, just so you have a back-up, and the fact it can switch into a lot more attacks than walrein can

and good luck with stallrein, it's not as good as people make it out to be

you're gonna have a problem dealing damage outside of garchomp and weavile

but i do say it's a pretty good team overall

i'd give it a 8.2/10

infernape will give problems, CM cressy will, electivire will, gyra will, and heracross will give you a huge problem, basically, once weavile is gone...you're done, garchomp i don't think is a good hail poke
 

Wii4Mii 99

Smash Lord
Joined
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Messages
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give tentacruel haze, just so you have a back-up, and the fact it can switch into a lot more attacks than walrein can

and good luck with stallrein, it's not as good as people make it out to be

you're gonna have a problem dealing damage outside of garchomp and weavile

but i do say it's a pretty good team overall

i'd give it a 8.2/10

infernape will give problems, CM cressy will, electivire will, gyra will, and heracross will give you a huge problem, basically, once weavile is gone...you're done, garchomp i don't think is a good hail poke
Tentacruel handles Infernape.

Cresselia's a 8!tCh. But Abomasnow can Leech Seed it's massive HP.

Garchomp outspeeds standard Electivire and has Earthquake. I'll be careful not to throw around Thunderbolts from Froslass.

Tentacruel resists Waterfall and Ice Fang and has HP Electric. It also outspeeds BulkyGyara.

If I predict, I can send in a Pokemon that can take Heracross' attack.

Also remember that Froslass can suicide with some major threats.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99
 

mood4food77

Smash Hero
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Messages
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well yea

but just saying, once you lose weavile, all they have to do is burn garchomp and you're done

so just saying, you lose garchomp and/or weavile, you're not going to last much longer

you can only take so many hits
 

ss118

Smash Master
Joined
Jan 30, 2006
Messages
3,127
Location
Savannah, Georgia
Let's see what ya got:
Yep. I don't feel like making you guys wait until I complete all 4 teams for you to see them. I'll esuage your tension by providing you with a view of my Hail Team.


Now, since this is a Hail team, it should immediately occur to you that it would have a Fire, Fighting, and Rock weakness. However, I have some ways to prevent my team from being Infernape and Heracross fodder. (If my Abomasnow is shiny, then you could call this a mono-color team (Blue).)

OK, without further adu, here... is my team.


Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Snow Warning
Timid (Spd+ Atk-)
6 Atk / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd
- Substitute
- Leech Seed
- Blizzard
- Focus Punch

Lead; Gets the Hail going. It can clash with Blissey thanks to SubSeed and Focus Punch. Since the occasional Hippowdon leads are slower, they get the Sandstorm going. Blizzard scares them away. Blizzard also scares those Grass types who try to stop Leech Seed. Focus Punch handles Tyranitar and Weavile as well as Heatran.
Fine.


Weavile @ Choice Band / Choice Scarf
Pressure
Adamant (Atk+ SpAtk-) / Jolly (Spd+ SpAtk-)
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
- Ice Punch / Ice Shard
- Night Slash / Pursuit
- Brick Break
- Aerial Ace

Physical Sweeper; This is the one I need the most help with. I'm leaning towards this set:
I would use Night Slash and Ice Punch together with Pursuit/ Ice Shard over Aerial Ace.

Weavile @ Choice Scarf
Pressure
Adamant (Atk+ SpAtk-)
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
- Ice Punch
- Night Slash
- Brick Break
- Aerial Ace

Because it's Choice Scarfed, I don't have to worry that much about other Choice Scarfers and DDers. Weavile is probably the only thing I have to handle Azelf. And Heracross. And a bunch of other threats.
Fine: it needs AA since it is scarfed.


Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
Liquid Ooze
Calm (SpDef+ Atk-)
204 HP / 96 SpAtk / 172 SpDef / 38 Spd
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Electric]

A Rapid Spinner is very important for this team. It gets rid of Stealth Rocks, which removes 4/6 of my Pokemon 25%. Toxic Spikes also allows Walrein to stall Pokemon. Tentacruel can also get rid of some other Spinners, like Claydol and Donphan with Surf and Starmie with Hidden Power [Electric]. Pretty much my only MixApe counter besides the outspeeding Weavile. Tentacruel is also a Fighting resist, which is crucial for my team. Tentacruel can handle some Special Attacks.
Fine.


Froslass @ Focus Sash
Snow Cloak
Timid (Spd+ Atk-)
6 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd
- Spikes
- Destiny Bond
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt

Puts up Spikes, which helps when Walrein Roars. With the Focus Sash-Destiny Bond combo, Froslass can remove many potential threats to this team. But until then, it can BoltBeam, lay down Spikes, and block Rapid Spins. It's also immune to Fighting attacks.
This is fine.... but maybe to be a gay b@st@rd, use Substitute to hit a salac boost.... chances are they're going to miss with Snow Cloak activated thanks to Hail. Brightpowder(though risky) turns 100% accurate moves to 72% and is worth consideration there.


Garchomp @ (Item Help)
Sand Veil
Impish (Def+ SpAtk-)
122 HP / 252 Def / 136 Spd
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Flamethrower
- Stealth Rock

Now before you ask questions, listen up. Garchomp is designed to be a miniature Physical Wall. You know, to take some Close Combats, etc before Walrein starts stalling. The EVs let it outspeed Timid Smeargle. Garchomp also sets up the Stealth Rocks, which are in favor for Walrein's stalling.
I think you should mention how it takes Physical hits better than Swampert and how this works thanks to the team's multiple Ice resistances.Either use Leftovers(perferred) or a lum berry for the item. in my opinion.


Walrein @ Leftovers
Ice Body
Bold (Def+ Atk-)
220 HP / 244 Def / 46 Spd
- Substitute
- Protect
- Roar
- Blizzard

You all know Stallrein.
Blizzard=Tyranitar bait: use Surf.

I'll add a threat list later.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99
Overall a great team.... only problem is, it looks too much like Dragontamer's(the main reason why I made mine so different) :/
but that's why it's good, I guess.
 

Wii4Mii 99

Smash Lord
Joined
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Messages
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Let's see what ya got:


Overall a great team.... only problem is, it looks too much like Dragontamer's(the main reason why I made mine so different) :/
but that's why it's good, I guess.
Ya... I know that. >_> But at least I'm not copying everything of his, unlike a million other people who are copying word for word Obi's stall team.

@ Mood4Food77

Weavile and Garchomp arn't my omly offensive Pokemon. Froslass can go down with an opponent, and Spikes arn't necessarily needed for Walrein to stall. Tentacruel has some decent resistances and has Surf and HP Electric. Abomasnow has SubSeed. Walrein can stall.

You're making it sound like as if I'll only be attacking.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99
 

Icetom1024

Smash Rookie
Joined
Nov 14, 2007
Messages
19
Would like to have my Hail Team rated

Ok this team is already done, but I think I can make changes if need be:


Abomasnow @Leftovers
Sassy(+SpD, -Spd)
Snow Warning
252 Hp/20 SpA/160 SpD/76 Spd
-Wood Hammer
-Blizzard
-Toxic(didn't breed for leech seed)
-Protect
He is my starter so I can whip up a Hailstorm, semi-toxistaller since I didn't breed for Leech Seed


(Smogon)Walrein @Leftovers
Impish(+Def, -SpA)
Ice Body
252 Hp/252 Def/6 SpA
-Substitute
-Encore
-Blizzard
-Earthquake/Surf/Toxic
(Smogon)Walrein is highly unlikely to be sweeping, but he can use Encore to help a team mate set up. Encore a Thunderbolt, switch to a Ground type, Encore a Fighting attack, switch to a Ghost, you get the idea. You can also Encore stat boosting attacks, recovery moves, etc. Giving a team mate another possibility of a free switch in. Substitute helps to ensure you don't take too much damage from Encored attacks. Toxic can be used to spread status when Encore forces a switch.


Froslass @Choice Specs/Bright Powder
Timid(+Spd, -Atk)
Snow Veil
252 SpA/252 Spd/6 SpD
-Blizzard
-Thunderbolt
-Shadow Ball
-Psychic/Destiny Bond
Froslass is my Secial sweeper, with the speed of a Gengar, it is still underpowered which is why CS is there. Also my modified version of BoltBeam, Blizzard=STAB, Shadow Ball also=STAB, plus T-bolt for more coverage. The last slot could have been for HP fighting which can hit T-Tar and Weavile. While Psychic stops Un-Scarfed Heracross. Bright Powder with Snow Cloak is for evasion Hax and for more freedom of moves allowing it to Destiny Bond


Mamoswine @Choice Band
Adamant(+Atk, -SpA)
Snow Veil
252 Atk/200 Spd/56 Hp
-Earthquake
-Ice Shard
-Stone Edge
-Peck
Earthquake puts massive holes in bulky waters trying to Surf him. Ice Shard makes up for its average speed and also destroys Dragons, it also helps with its grass weakness. Stone Edge is there to hit fliers hard. HaHaHa, Peck...as a move...Yes. Peck is there for one reason and that is to OHKO Heracross


Weavile @Expert Belt
Adamant(+Atk, -SpA)
Pressure
252 Atk/252 Spd/6 Hp
-Swords Dance
-Night Slash
-Brick Break
-Ice Punch
Expert Belt givesits attacks a little extra kick, although anything thatit hit for super effective damage after Swords Dance should die regardless. Not much else to say about Weavile.


Regice @Leftovers
Bold(+ Def, -Atk)
Clear Body
252 Hp/252 Def/6 SpD
-Blizzard
-Thunderbolt
-Thunder Wave
-Focus Punch
Thunder Wave isthere to slow down speedy sweepers like Infernape and Azelf. Focus Punch will easily OHKO Weavile, 2HKO Tyranitar and does around 35% to Blissey.

So this my Hailstorm team. Those who wonder why I use Blizzard instead of Ice Beam, that is because in the Hail, Blizzard has 100% accuracy and is stronger than Ice Beam. Otherwise I would go with Ice Beam. Was thinking of putting a bulky Togekiss in there, seeing how I may need Wish support. I also know I need a spinner, but I don't know who. Anyway I would appreciate any help on how to improve my team to get the best out of it.
 

MasterMatt

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Feb 20, 2007
Messages
442
Location
back in socal...
Ok this team is already done, but I think I can make changes if need be:


Abomasnow @Leftovers
Sassy(+SpD, -Spd)
Snow Warning
252 Hp/20 SpA/160 SpD/76 Spd
-Wood Hammer
-Blizzard
-Toxic(didn't breed for leech seed)
-Protect
He is my starter so I can whip up a Hailstorm, semi-toxistaller since I didn't breed for Leech Seed


(Smogon)Walrein @Leftovers
Impish(+Def, -SpA)
Ice Body
252 Hp/252 Def/6 SpA
-Substitute
-Encore
-Blizzard
-Earthquake/Surf/Toxic
(Smogon)Walrein is highly unlikely to be sweeping, but he can use Encore to help a team mate set up. Encore a Thunderbolt, switch to a Ground type, Encore a Fighting attack, switch to a Ghost, you get the idea. You can also Encore stat boosting attacks, recovery moves, etc. Giving a team mate another possibility of a free switch in. Substitute helps to ensure you don't take too much damage from Encored attacks. Toxic can be used to spread status when Encore forces a switch.


Froslass @Choice Specs/Bright Powder
Timid(+Spd, -Atk)
Snow Veil
252 SpA/252 Spd/6 SpD
-Blizzard
-Thunderbolt
-Shadow Ball
-Psychic/Destiny Bond
Froslass is my Secial sweeper, with the speed of a Gengar, it is still underpowered which is why CS is there. Also my modified version of BoltBeam, Blizzard=STAB, Shadow Ball also=STAB, plus T-bolt for more coverage. The last slot could have been for HP fighting which can hit T-Tar and Weavile. While Psychic stops Un-Scarfed Heracross. Bright Powder with Snow Cloak is for evasion Hax and for more freedom of moves allowing it to Destiny Bond


Piloswine @Choice Band
Adamant(+Atk, -SpA)
Snow Veil
252 Atk/200 Spd/56 Hp
-Earthquake
-Ice Shard
-Stone Edge
-Peck
Earthquake puts massive holes in bulky waters trying to Surf him. Ice Shard makes up for its average speed and also destroys Dragons, it also helps with its grass weakness. Stone Edge is there to hit fliers hard. HaHaHa, Peck...as a move...Yes. Peck is there for one reason and that is to OHKO Heracross


Weavile @Expert Belt
Adamant(+Atk, -SpA)
Pressure
252 Atk/252 Spd/6 Hp
-Swords Dance
-Night Slash
-Brick Break
-Ice Punch
Expert Belt givesits attacks a little extra kick, although anything thatit hit for super effective damage after Swords Dance should die regardless. Not much else to say about Weavile.


Regice @Leftovers
Bold(+ Def, -Atk)
Clear Body
252 Hp/252 Def/6 SpD
-Blizzard
-Thunderbolt
-Thunder Wave
-Focus Punch
Thunder Wave isthere to slow down speedy sweepers like Infernape and Azelf. Focus Punch will easily OHKO Weavile, 2HKO Tyranitar and does around 35% to Blissey.

So this my Hailstorm team. Those who wonder why I use Blizzard instead of Ice Beam, that is because in the Hail, Blizzard has 100% accuracy and is stronger than Ice Beam. Otherwise I would go with Ice Beam. Was thinking of putting a bulky Togekiss in there, seeing how I may need Wish support. I also know I need a spinner, but I don't know who. Anyway I would appreciate any help on how to improve my team to get the best out of it.
i think u mean mamoswine right?
 

Terywj [태리]

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Messages
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Location
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Didn't have the time to rate it yet...
Yep. I don't feel like making you guys wait until I complete all 4 teams for you to see them. I'll esuage your tension by providing you with a view of my Hail Team.


Now, since this is a Hail team, it should immediately occur to you that it would have a Fire, Fighting, and Rock weakness. However, I have some ways to prevent my team from being Infernape and Heracross fodder. (If my Abomasnow is shiny, then you could call this a mono-color team (Blue).)

OK, without further adu, here... is my team.


Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Snow Warning
Timid (Spd+ Atk-)
6 Atk / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd
- Substitute
- Leech Seed
- Blizzard
- Focus Punch

Lead; Gets the Hail going. It can clash with Blissey thanks to SubSeed and Focus Punch. Since the occasional Hippowdon leads are slower, they get the Sandstorm going. Blizzard scares them away. Blizzard also scares those Grass types who try to stop Leech Seed. Focus Punch handles Tyranitar and Weavile as well as Heatran.
Good.


Weavile @ Choice Band / Choice Scarf
Pressure
Adamant (Atk+ SpAtk-) / Jolly (Spd+ SpAtk-)
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
- Ice Punch / Ice Shard
- Night Slash / Pursuit
- Brick Break
- Aerial Ace

Physical Sweeper; This is the one I need the most help with. I'm leaning towards this set:

Weavile @ Choice Scarf Use this set.
Pressure
Adamant (Atk+ SpAtk-)
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
- Ice Punch
- Night Slash
- Brick Break
- Aerial Ace

Because it's Choice Scarfed, I don't have to worry that much about other Choice Scarfers and DDers. Weavile is probably the only thing I have to handle Azelf. And Heracross. And a bunch of other threats.
Good.


Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
Liquid Ooze
Calm (SpDef+ Atk-)
204 HP / 96 SpAtk / 172 SpDef / 38 Spd
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Electric]

A Rapid Spinner is very important for this team. It gets rid of Stealth Rocks, which removes 4/6 of my Pokemon 25%. Toxic Spikes also allows Walrein to stall Pokemon. Tentacruel can also get rid of some other Spinners, like Claydol and Donphan with Surf and Starmie with Hidden Power [Electric]. Pretty much my only MixApe counter besides the outspeeding Weavile. Tentacruel is also a Fighting resist, which is crucial for my team. Tentacruel can handle some Special Attacks.
Don't know much 'bout Tentacruel...but looks good.


Froslass @ Focus Sash
Snow Cloak
Timid (Spd+ Atk-)
6 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd
- Spikes
- Destiny Bond
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt

Puts up Spikes, which helps when Walrein Roars. With the Focus Sash-Destiny Bond combo, Froslass can remove many potential threats to this team. But until then, it can BoltBeam, lay down Spikes, and block Rapid Spins. It's also immune to Fighting attacks.
I'd rather use ScsrfLass, but it does help Walrein stall...


Garchomp @ (Item Help)
Sand Veil
Impish (Def+ SpAtk-)
122 HP / 252 Def / 136 Spd
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Flamethrower
- Stealth Rock

Now before you ask questions, listen up. Garchomp is designed to be a miniature Physical Wall. You know, to take some Close Combats, etc before Walrein starts stalling. The EVs let it outspeed Timid Smeargle. Garchomp also sets up the Stealth Rocks, which are in favor for Walrein's stalling.

Okay. :)


Walrein @ Leftovers
Ice Body
Bold (Def+ Atk-)
220 HP / 244 Def / 46 Spd
- Substitute
- Protect
- Roar
- Blizzard

You all know Stallrein.

Yes we do.

I'll add a threat list later.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99
Good job. Can't wait to see your other teams.
TeryMeter: 9/10 (w00t! Highest rate yet!)

-Terywj...ou<Keyboard not connected. Press F1 to continue.>
 

The9litch

Smash Apprentice
Joined
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Messages
165
Location
Newark, NJ
watch out foe ScarfApe with: HP Ice, Flamethrower, Close Combat, Thunderpunch / Stone Edge

Ive been seeing a lot lately
 

ss118

Smash Master
Joined
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Messages
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Location
Savannah, Georgia
If it's Scarfed, wouldn't it be better to have Overheat, since you'll be switching in and out a lot anyway?
Edit: over Flamethrower, obviously
 
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