reverse up-b knockback scaling

[JoelLegion]

I was told that the up-b hitbox (the one they use to ken combo in PAL with) has more knockback scaling than non-tipper forward smash and that the up-b will surpass the non-tipper forward smash in knockback, is this true, and at what percent does up become a better option?

 

[20YY SS | Saiblade]

I was told that the up-b hitbox (the one they use to ken combo in PAL with) has more knockback scaling than non-tipper forward smash and that the up-b will surpass the non-tipper forward smash in knockback, is this true, and at what percent does up become a better option?

Of course it does, up-b should start to kill at around 65-75% ish depending on character and position.

 

[Link24a]

http://i.imgur.com/mEuzd2A.png

It doesn't.

 

[JoelLegion]

Of course it does, up-b should start to kill at around 65-75% ish depending on character and position.

Yup you're right, i just tested it thanks

 

[Link24a]

Yup you're right, i just tested it thanks

It really doesn't. The only difference is that it knocks at a lower angle. Look at the chart

 

[Rlagkrud]

The chart seems to show it pretty clearly.
Looks like up until 350%, UpB has more knockback than sour fsmash.

 

[BTmoney]

Of course it does, up-b should start to kill at around 65-75% ish depending on character and position.

this is not true. you have good intentions but please don't spread false information.

If you die to an up B at 65% then you are probably playing puff or have horrific DI. If you're already off stage then maybe up B would flat out kill them that early but that is not the case in 90% of scenarios.

You should expect people to live past 110% at the very minimum with good DI. Probably much, much longer most of the time.

Also up B and reverse up B are the same thing. There is not physical difference between them other than one you turn around. People just do it to make it 2% safer if they miss or to be able to grab the ledge.

 

[tauKhan]

It really doesn't. The only difference is that it knocks at a lower angle. Look at the chart

Both statements are false, Tip up b has a bit more kb in the usual % ranges, and they both send at the same sakurai angle.

@ JoelLegion upb has higher base kb, but actually lower kb scaling.

 

[20YY SS | Saiblade]

this is not true. you have good intentions but please don't spread false information.

If you die to an up B at 65% then you are probably playing puff or have horrific DI. If you're already off stage then maybe up B would flat out kill them that early but that is not the case in 90% of scenarios.

You should expect people to live past 110% at the very minimum with good DI. Probably much, much longer most of the time.

Also up B and reverse up B are the same thing. There is not physical difference between them other than one you turn around. People just do it to make it 2% safer if they miss or to be able to grab the ledge.

I did say depending on where you are on stage, didn't I? Point made.

 

[BTmoney]

I did say depending on where you are on stage, didn't I? Point made.

lol don't do this.

That is like saying fox's upair kills falcon at 50%
**if you get a multiple uair chain and uair him near the top blast zone on yoshi's story.**
That's only going to be true 0.5% of the time. In any normal situation don't count on killing falcon with uair until easily after 100%.

Considering people can and do DI, it really is a bad general statement to make and bad to tell people that it will kill starting at 65. Every move kills at low percent with horrible DI. A falco f smash might literally kill you off the side blastzone at 30% on yoshi's. Or it might kill you at 110% if you DI like a normal person.

This isn't an offensive observation lol. If you've ever hit someone with up B then you'd know that's just wrong lol. You're almost literally doubling what you should expect.

Marth can chain grab falcon with u throw

• at a handful of percents
• if he doesn't jump
• if he doesn't DI
• if you're not below a platform

So by all means count on that too lol. Point made?

 

[20YY SS | Saiblade]

lol don't do this.

That is like saying fox's upair kills falcon at 50%
**if you get a multiple uair chain and uair him near the top blast zone on yoshi's story.**
That's only going to be true 0.5% of the time. In any normal situation don't count on killing falcon with uair until easily after 100%.

Considering people can and do DI, it really is a bad general statement to make and bad to tell people that it will kill starting at 65. Every move kills at low percent with horrible DI. A falco f smash might literally kill you off the side blastzone at 30% on yoshi's. Or it might kill you at 110% if you DI like a normal person.

This isn't an offensive observation lol. If you've ever hit someone with up B then you'd know that's just wrong lol. You're almost literally doubling what you should expect.

Marth can chain grab falcon with u throw

• at a handful of percents
• if he doesn't jump
• if he doesn't DI
• if you're not below a platform

So by all means count on that too lol. Point made?

I didn't say that it does 100% of the time, I simply stated that it should start to kill around then.

 

[BTmoney]

I didn't say that it does 100% of the time, I simply stated that it should start to kill around then.

I didn't say that's wrong 100% of the time, only 99% of the time go try it lol

For the most part people in the community/players consider moves to start killing at %s that are conducive to living. Yes if I DI away I will die at 65 but since that almost never happens lol we say the move kills notably past 100 because that's what's going to happen 99% of the time and truthfully if you want a pure kill you should try like 130%+.

At anything past super low level people are going to start using survival DI regularly.