Returning to Fight; Leif for Super Smash Bros.! Returning at E3?

[Depressed Gengar]

Leif is the only Lord (aside from Marth and Ike) to appear in multiple games (Genealogy of the Holy War and Thracia 776).
He was the one Intelligent Systems suggested for Melee, but we instead got Roy. However, one of Marth's costumes in Brawl was based off of Leif.
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Some text you can add to the OP (copy-pasted from the FE wiki):
Leif Faris Claus (リーフ・ ファリス・クラウス Leaf Faris Claus) is the prince of Leonster, the son of the late Prince Quan and Ethlyn, and the younger brother of Altena. Left behind in Leonster as an infant while his parents travelled to Grannvale to aid his uncle Sigurd, he was forced into exile following his parents' deaths and the fall of Leonster at the hands of Conote, taken away by Finn of the Leonster knights. He was raised in hiding in the town of Fiana by Finn and, for a while, Raquesis, along with Raquesis's own daughter Nanna, and eventually joined the Fiana Freeblades led by Eyvel, protecting the village from bandits.
In the year 776, prompted by the kidnapping of Nanna and Mareeta, Eyvel's adopted daughter, Leif left Fiana to rally a resistance army to the Thracian occupation of the Manster District under the command of Raydrik, the duke of Manster, ultimately liberating it from the control of Veld of the Loptyrian Order. From there, he joined with the liberation army of his cousin, Seliph of Chalphy, to assist in freeing all of Jugdral from the iron grip of the Grannvale Empire, and went on to unify the Thracian Peninsula into the New Kingdom of Thracia with himself as its first king.
Leif was a playable character in Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War before graduating to become the main character of Fire Emblem: Thracia 776.

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ARGUMENTS:
1. He's Japan only! He can't be In Smash!
Terrible argument here. We have gotten enough characters to debunk this theory. Marth, Lucas, just to name a few.
2. He's not important!
He has two games, which not many FE Lords have (as already stated). More important than other Lords.
3. IS has Sakurai on a leash!
IS is not like Game Freak. They do not force characters in the game, only suggesting them.
4. He's not recent!
Another bad argument. Going by this logic, Marth wouldn't have been in Melee, Lucas won't be returning, ect.

Supporter List:
@ Depressed Gengar
@ Pacack
@ SuperBrawler
@ BluePikmin11
@ Tepig2000
@ Sobreviviente
@ Freduardo
@ Basty
@ JaidynReiman
@ Dark Emperor Hardin
@ Hong
Movesets:
[collapse=Diddy Kong's moveset]

Anyone here actually played FE5? It's terribly difficult. Am stuck in the Chapter where Bridget and a cleric girl are trapped in an arena. Leaf has to reaque them, but in my case, his Light Sword is almost broken, cause I grinded him too much last chapter... *sigh* My other characters nearly aren't as strong.
Leif would make a good character if they'd use the liberty to give him all Fire Emblem weaponary. Cause as a Master Knight in FE4, he could. Doubt they'd go that route with him, as FE5 is more his personal game... But it'd be cool to see.
Specials could be:
B: Light Sword, as explained before. Small, simple projectile which charges briefly first then deals 13% damage.
Side B: Any magic tome. Think of something.
Up B: Sword Leap. From FE4 / 5, Leif's critical animation basically. Covers smaller distance than Marth's Up B, and gains less height than Ike's Aether but travels more distance horizontal.
Down B: Mount Horse? Leif summons his horse to increase mobility. He can be blasted off from it by powerful attacks. The horse doesn't die however but when attacked with powerful attacks it'll run off when Leif doesn't mount it. Leif doesn't lose his steed when jumping either. Movement changes slightly when on horseback to! Forward Smash becomes an Axe Swing and Down Smash is a Lance Thrust. Both are more powerful attacks than Leif's standard Smashes. Leif's weight doesn't change with the horse, and any attack that would send Leif flying dismounts him.
Think this will make him extremely unique. Best series rep if they truely want to make a moveset that uses most elements from Fire Emblem.

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[FalKoopa]

Chronobound will be pleased to see this thread.

 

[Pacack]

Poor, poor Leif. Probably the closest a character has ever gotten to getting in before being dismissed entirely. Shame too, since he's not a typical blue-haired lord.

Why not, I'll support. Though my heart belongs to Eirika first and foremost.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I'll support too.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Leif has the coolest designs out of any Lord. I definitely support.
Also, was Leif a trickster in his games, because he's one in Awakening.

 

[Snagrio]

Probably one of, if not the only FE lord with a normal hair color.

 

[Pacack]

Leif has the coolest designs out of any Lord. I definitely support.
Also, was Leif a trickster in his games, because he's one in Awakening.

In Awakening, all the previous Lords have a different class (presumably because there's a pre-determined Lord class already that just doesn't fit all of them). Eirika, for example, is a myrimordyn (however you spell that)., and Marth is a "Star Lord" (that's a translation because I don't remember the exact name of the class). Lief's just a typical Lord in his games from what I understand. (Question; did the Trickster class even exist when Lief was around? I know it's not in SS.)

 

[Diddy Kong]

Trickster is a new class in Awakening. Leif was a Lord in FE5, and could promote to Master Knight in FE4, meaning he got acces to all weapon types. I definitely think he'd be a better choice than Chrom, Lucina and even Robin.

The SNES Fire Emblem games had awesome animations, so Leif's moveset could easily be unique from Marth's. They'd be similar probably in the end though. Think neutral B should be the Light Sword, with it's triangle projectile. That should be a given.

Could support this even btw.

 

[Pacack]

Reading up on him, it's kinda sad that they opted to go with Roy over Leif. Leif could have used his sword's light magic to differentiate himself from Marth similarly to how Roy uses fire. Guess fire was just more visually distinct.

(Here's artwork of his personal sword, btw. It was a gift from his deceased mother and he keeps it to honor her memory:

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Also, I recommend his Awakening artwork be used over the one currently in the OP.

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EDIT: Also, have this icon made by me:

 

[Tepig2000]

This thread has only been made now? I'm a little surprised. Also I support because he is not a blue-haired lord.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Holy Koopa Troopas, this thread's getting attention.
Also, @ Pacack I would, edit the OP for that pic, but on a phone, that's hard to do. XD

 

[Pacack]

Holy Koopa Troopas, this thread's getting attention.
Also, @ Pacack I would, edit the OP for that pic, but on a phone, that's hard to do. XD

When you get on a computer, I would also recommend you expand the OP with information about his character and quest. And don't forget to mention his sword, since that's one of his biggest assets for uniqueness.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Anyone here actually played FE5? It's terribly difficult. Am stuck in the Chapter where Bridget and a cleric girl are trapped in an arena. Leaf has to reaque them, but in my case, his Light Sword is almost broken, cause I grinded him too much last chapter... *sigh* My other characters nearly aren't as strong.

Leif would make a good character if they'd use the liberty to give him all Fire Emblem weaponary. Cause as a Master Knight in FE4, he could. Doubt they'd go that route with him, as FE5 is more his personal game... But it'd be cool to see.

Specials could be:

B: Light Sword, as explained before. Small, simple projectile which charges briefly first then deals 13% damage.
Side B: Any magic tome. Think of something.
Up B: Sword Leap. From FE4 / 5, Leif's critical animation basically. Covers smaller distance than Marth's Up B, and gains less height than Ike's Aether but travels more distance horizontal.
Down B: Mount Horse? Leif summons his horse to increase mobility. He can be blasted off from it by powerful attacks. The horse doesn't die however but when attacked with powerful attacks it'll run off when Leif doesn't mount it. Leif doesn't lose his steed when jumping either. Movement changes slightly when on horseback to! Forward Smash becomes an Axe Swing and Down Smash is a Lance Thrust. Both are more powerful attacks than Leif's standard Smashes. Leif's weight doesn't change with the horse, and any attack that would send Leif flying dismounts him.

Think this will make him extremely unique. Best series rep if they truely want to make a moveset that uses most elements from Fire Emblem.

 

[Pacack]

Anyone here actually played FE5? It's terribly difficult. Am stuck in the Chapter where Bridget and a cleric girl are trapped in an arena. Leaf has to reaque them, but in my case, his Light Sword is almost broken, cause I grinded him too much last chapter... *sigh* My other characters nearly aren't as strong.

I've heard it's absolutely ridiculous. Unfortunately, I've yet to play it myself. Might emulate it when I get more experience with the series.

Leif would make a good character if they'd use the liberty to give him all Fire Emblem weaponary. Cause as a Master Knight in FE4, he could. Doubt they'd go that route with him, as FE5 is more his personal game... But it'd be cool to see.

Specials could be:

B: Light Sword, as explained before. Small, simple projectile which charges briefly first then deals 13% damage.
Side B: Any magic tome. Think of something.
Up B: Sword Leap. From FE4 / 5, Leif's critical animation basically. Covers smaller distance than Marth's Up B, and gains less height than Ike's Aether but travels more distance horizontal.
Down B: Mount Horse? Leif summons his horse to increase mobility. He can be blasted off from it by powerful attacks. The horse doesn't die however but when attacked with powerful attacks it'll run off when Leif doesn't mount it. Leif doesn't lose his steed when jumping either. Movement changes slightly when on horseback to! Forward Smash becomes an Axe Swing and Down Smash is a Lance Thrust. Both are more powerful attacks than Leif's standard Smashes. Leif's weight doesn't change with the horse, and any attack that would send Leif flying dismounts him.

Think this will make him extremely unique. Best series rep if they truely want to make a moveset that uses most elements from Fire Emblem.

See, I had an entirely different vision of how he would play. Basically, I would give him more flexibility in how much magic he can use with his sword and make him a character that focuses almost equally on close ranged and long ranged attacks. When an opponent comes close to him, he can knock them away with his sword and follow through with a dose of light magic. Maybe even give him some long ranged attacks that bring opponents into him so he can do the same thing. Would be a very interesting and fun playstyle that would practically play like a game of pong where you control both paddles.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I also felt positioning should be a main thing in Leif's playstyle. He's not exactly the strongest Lord ever, so he relied mostly on ranged attack than others. He probably would be lighter than Marth for example, like Roy was but probably even lighter. He indeed could have a magical tome attack that pulls characters towards him.

Still like my Mount idea. It's what made the SNES Fire Emblem games what they are. It's an unique gimmick from FE3, 4 and 5. At least, if you don't count reclassing.

 

[Sobreviviente]

I dont know who this guys is but looks badass xD yes pls.

 

[Freduardo]

…Technically Hector was playable in as many games as Leif. Leif was in 4, 5, and awakening. Hector's in 6, 7, and awakening. He was just hard to get in 6.

However if this can be a post promotion Leif wielding a light sword and riding horseback as a master knight…. yeah, that's pretty damn cool.

Course his sister has enough holy blood to use Odin's spear, the Gae Bolg, and rides a dragon. But sure, I'll support.

 

[Tepig2000]

Some text you can add to the OP (copy-pasted from the FE wiki):

Leif Faris Claus (リーフ・ ファリス・クラウス Leaf Faris Claus) is the prince of Leonster, the son of the late Prince Quan and Ethlyn, and the younger brother of Altena. Left behind in Leonster as an infant while his parents travelled to Grannvale to aid his uncle Sigurd, he was forced into exile following his parents' deaths and the fall of Leonster at the hands of Conote, taken away by Finn of the Leonster knights. He was raised in hiding in the town of Fiana by Finn and, for a while, Raquesis, along with Raquesis's own daughter Nanna, and eventually joined the Fiana Freeblades led by Eyvel, protecting the village from bandits.

In the year 776, prompted by the kidnapping of Nanna and Mareeta, Eyvel's adopted daughter, Leif left Fiana to rally a resistance army to the Thracian occupation of the Manster District under the command of Raydrik, the duke of Manster, ultimately liberating it from the control of Veld of the Loptyrian Order. From there, he joined with the liberation army of his cousin, Seliph of Chalphy, to assist in freeing all of Jugdral from the iron grip of the Grannvale Empire, and went on to unify the Thracian Peninsula into the New Kingdom of Thracia with himself as its first king.

Leif was a playable character in Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War before graduating to become the main character of Fire Emblem: Thracia 776.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

@ Tepig2000 I'll add that once I get on to a decent computer. I'll also add @ Diddy Kong 's move set then as well.
Edit: Both are now added.
Also, @ Pacack I tried uploading the picture you requested, but it apparently it's too big like Ridley to add.

 

[andimidna]

He should have been in Melee. When looking for clones, they should have added another FE lord rather than start a ****ty tradition of adding a 2nd Link in every game.
Marth, Leif, Roy.
Than they could have dropped Roy for Brawl and made Leif unique from both Marth and Ike, which would not have been difficult.
I don't support him getting over Chrom, Lucina, Tiki, Anna, and Robin. But I like the idea of Leif, and he would be more popular than Roy if added in Melee and returned in Brawl with a new moveset.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

I actually liked Toon Link... nice alternative to Link, who I wasn't very fond of his moves when compared to Toon Link. Oh well, this is off-topic anyway.

 

[Basty]

Leif is ma fave Lord! I support easily

 

[SvartWolf]

dude.. if you want people reading your reasons, at least try not to post them on a color that makes eyes bleed DX

 

[Pacack]

Oh, hi. This thread's been dead awhile.

How would you guys feel if they made Marth's white costume give him brown hair to complete the reference?

I'd have to see it to be sure, but I think I'd like it.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Lol I didn't even know there was a Leif topic. I definitely support Leif, I'd rather have him over any Awakening character and his Master Knight promotion grants him access to almost any type of magic or weapon available (if they decided to go that route). Sadly I think he'll get shafted again in favor of an Awakening character.

A Leif outfit for Marth would be pretty cool I guess. If Jugdral gets a remake, Leif could get added that way, but I kinda doubt it.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

It's a reverse-Lucina.
At first, I thought it was a girl, but in a big shocking reveal, I found out it was a guy.

 

[Dark Emperor Hardin]

I would certainly support Leif. I used him a lot in Genealogy and Tharcia and the has more moveset potential than Chrom and almost any other lord (In my opinion, that is).

 

[Hong]

Lol I didn't even know there was a Leif topic.

I'm in the same boat.

Absolutely a supporter of this character. A real shame we got Roy instead. Ugh.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I'm in the same boat.

Absolutely a supporter of this character. A real shame we got Roy instead. Ugh.

I still like the idea better of getting Arvis if we were to get a Jugdral rep, but if it must be a Lord, Leif is my preferred pick. (A close third is Julia; heck, if the game was remade today Julia probably would be counted as a Lord character anyway, no more of that "Julia can die once a chapter but is kidnapped" thing.)

 

[Dark Emperor Hardin]

As an added bonus (more of an impossible hope), they should remake/release his games for virtual console or the Wii U/3ds in the remake's case.

 

[Xuan Wu]

I didn't know a Leif thread existed! He is definitely my most wanted Jugdral representative for Fire Emblem. Although it is too late for him now, I am hoping his games become more recognized overseas at some point via remakes, preferably for consoles and in HD, if Intelligent Systems ever decides to.

Someone uploaded a video recently, speculating a possible moveset for Leif. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVU4XxYIkcQ

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