PB&J
Smash Hero
i really want to know the answer to this question
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Restricting Jigglypuff? (Serious topic)
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HomeMadeWaffles
Smash Lord
LOOL
actually i don't think there's a rule to that
it's prol one of those moral type rules
like people would be so mad if that happened
cuz then the "go for *insert name* factor" is irrelavant hahaha
ShadyMilkman
Smash Apprentice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSdS6J17ZVI
this is the reason Samus is in SSBM, not for to fight.
Bare durid is 4 tank, Cat durid is 4 fite, Moon guy 4 moon stuf, Samus is 4 lulz
everlasting yayuhzz
Smash Champion
play like PP
This character is not ban-worthy lol, not even in today's metagame. Jiggs isn't running rampant through our tournaments anymore than wobbling ICs do in tournies where it's allowed; the reason tournaments are consistently being won by jigglypuffs (I say it plurally because it's really only mango & the Box), is because the reigns of these particularly-dominant jigglypuffs happen to be extremely good players themselves.
And it really isn't as if jiggs cannot reasonably be beaten. Matchup-wise if the characters are played as they're supposed to, there are at least 4-5 chars above Jiggs who if played to an equal potential with the proper gameplan should be able to dispose of jigglypuff. Problem is, these players aren't just playing against some CPU puff, they're playing against box or mango... and tense up, make ******* mistakes or SD's, or just don't return the aggressive spacing that jiggs throws at them. In short, people just do not play this matchup as one is supposed to.
The reason that the Box is dominating so god**** hard right now is because he has fine-tuned his game to a level which much of the rest of our community abandoned as of late. In my opinion, he's one of the last intelligent players left in the tourney scene. While the whole metagame was focused on increasing edgeguard capacity, increasing tech skill, increasing reaction speed, just increasing the pace of play in general... Jigglypuff was left disjointed from all this.
Players went about their business with the rest of the high-tiers, working on combos and fast approaches and 0-deaths and chaingrabs and JC shine shield-pressure. So what did someone like Hbox do during all this? He took Isai's old advice of "Don't Get Hit" and wove it straight into his gameplay. He slowly built up a wall-of-pain game that could last him an entire match, on any stage vs any character. For all the speed and execution the best players had attained, it paid little dividends against him when Hbox could kept priority control over key approach angles with little more than well-spaced Bairs. For all the speed that these players had in every other matchup, against a spacing jigglypuff they were slowed down to his pace. And when you have to change gears so often in a matchup, it leaves quite a bit of opportunity for error and missteps, which someone like Hbox is all-too-happy to capitalize on.
Long story short, the metagame has gotten to the point where it's conditioned itself to survive on a technical and aggressive level against every matchup playing to its own high standard with the exception of Jiggs. Players simply do not play this particular matchup with their characters as they should lol. Most choose to err on the side of either being overly-defensive and weary of getting rested, or overly-aggressive against jigglypuff which works until a spacing error is made which leaves you vulnerable. The community, it seems, has forgotten where that fine line lies.
And it really isn't as if jiggs cannot reasonably be beaten. Matchup-wise if the characters are played as they're supposed to, there are at least 4-5 chars above Jiggs who if played to an equal potential with the proper gameplan should be able to dispose of jigglypuff. Problem is, these players aren't just playing against some CPU puff, they're playing against box or mango... and tense up, make ******* mistakes or SD's, or just don't return the aggressive spacing that jiggs throws at them. In short, people just do not play this matchup as one is supposed to.
The reason that the Box is dominating so god**** hard right now is because he has fine-tuned his game to a level which much of the rest of our community abandoned as of late. In my opinion, he's one of the last intelligent players left in the tourney scene. While the whole metagame was focused on increasing edgeguard capacity, increasing tech skill, increasing reaction speed, just increasing the pace of play in general... Jigglypuff was left disjointed from all this.
Players went about their business with the rest of the high-tiers, working on combos and fast approaches and 0-deaths and chaingrabs and JC shine shield-pressure. So what did someone like Hbox do during all this? He took Isai's old advice of "Don't Get Hit" and wove it straight into his gameplay. He slowly built up a wall-of-pain game that could last him an entire match, on any stage vs any character. For all the speed and execution the best players had attained, it paid little dividends against him when Hbox could kept priority control over key approach angles with little more than well-spaced Bairs. For all the speed that these players had in every other matchup, against a spacing jigglypuff they were slowed down to his pace. And when you have to change gears so often in a matchup, it leaves quite a bit of opportunity for error and missteps, which someone like Hbox is all-too-happy to capitalize on.
Long story short, the metagame has gotten to the point where it's conditioned itself to survive on a technical and aggressive level against every matchup playing to its own high standard with the exception of Jiggs. Players simply do not play this particular matchup with their characters as they should lol. Most choose to err on the side of either being overly-defensive and weary of getting rested, or overly-aggressive against jigglypuff which works until a spacing error is made which leaves you vulnerable. The community, it seems, has forgotten where that fine line lies.
PB&J
Smash Hero
the king speaks..i miss those post..hopefully people will understand that puff isnt broken now
Jimbo Slice
Smash Journeyman
You should write speeches, King.
Hbox basically getting trolled super hard by this thread or he would be if this stuff bothered him.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
pnbj - ummm wtf? no? i didn't even know he used fox. Stop making things up. My planking puff was able to 4 stock hax twice and jman once. That's stupid. His fox and his falcon are both better than my puff.
ROMBO69
Smash Cadet
You guys are dumb puff should not be banned shes good but
i still think shes like 5th best.. Everyone talks about how everyone should learn
the puff matchup and **** but its more of learning the hbox matchup..
I think im capable of beating hbox with like 14 of the characters because
well he sucks and i know the matchup. You guys really need to stop complaining
and learn hbox..
- yours truly
LOL
i still think shes like 5th best.. Everyone talks about how everyone should learn
the puff matchup and **** but its more of learning the hbox matchup..
I think im capable of beating hbox with like 14 of the characters because
well he sucks and i know the matchup. You guys really need to stop complaining
and learn hbox..
- yours truly
LOL
PB&J
Smash Hero
hyatt hotel 472- u didnt have your controller..forget it jason..there wasnt 10 other people in the room..lol
i always liked puff ever since killar or and the king, then mango,then soft,then hbox,
puff is a great character ..she is great in teams but she should die quicker since its teams.
thats how i feel about the character
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The most restrictive reasonable idea I can see happening to Jigglypuff is being banned in teams only. I've seen Plank resort to Jigglypuff after losing a game in teams sometimes and I think most of the time he uses Jigglypuff, his team wins. Does Plank have a good Jigglypuff in singles?
yeah actually.... shes been my secondary for a while and actually is going to be my new main because i think sheik is falling off a little too much 
No restriction to jiggs is needed atm though, its just the same few players ****** us, not a slew of jiggs throughout the tournament who are dominating
No restriction to jiggs is needed atm though, its just the same few players ****** us, not a slew of jiggs throughout the tournament who are dominating
nicaboy
Smash Champion
Lol jigs shouldt be banned in team either.
Plank dont you ever talk about sheik like that ever k
I love this chracter so much haha
Plank dont you ever talk about sheik like that ever k
I love this chracter so much haha
nicaboy
Smash Champion
This is so sog worthy
hungrybox
Smash Legend
I appreciate it, man.
Zodiac
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Jiggs wont get restricted because of the same reason metaknight isnt banned, people main her and will whine like little *****es if she gets restricted in anyway, Im surprised ice climber players havent done it yet. But restricting her would make the game alot more fun. its boring fighting a jiggs. and yes, any jiggs main isnt quite as good as they look BECAUSE their using jiggs. Using any other character (as well as they know how to use jiggs) will result in them placing several places lower in tournaments.
But again its useless to discuss it because the jiggs players always whine about how jiggs isnt that good and shouldnt be restricted, same as the meta knight players will, Just pick up marth and camp them as hard as they camp you, theres really no other way to show a jiggs player a taste of their own medicine.
But again its useless to discuss it because the jiggs players always whine about how jiggs isnt that good and shouldnt be restricted, same as the meta knight players will, Just pick up marth and camp them as hard as they camp you, theres really no other way to show a jiggs player a taste of their own medicine.
Pengie
Smash Lord
Of course they'll whine, their main is getting banned unfairly! She isn't even close to being the most dominant character. By the way I can tell you one group of people who won't be having a lot of fun if Jiggs gets banned: Jiggs mains! You'd be forcing a group of people that don't even place well in tournaments with the exception of a few notable players to relearn the game.
FYI, A while back Hungrybox managed to almost beat ColBol in tournament with Sheik. He ended up getting second beating most people with his Sheik and gave Colbol a pretty close run.
Iron Dragon
Smash Lord
Lol @ Zodiac.
King makes the best posts about things ever. It's pretty true really though, nobody thinks about not getting hit anymore but rather "Well if I get hit I'd rather be able to get 2 hits on them and at least I hit them twice and they hit me once", it's completely different. Hungrybox is definitely extremely intelligent and exploits what makes a player good more than other people do.
She also isn't banned or restricted for the same reason of MK in that he can be beaten. It isn't impossible and it doesn't matter how broken it is, it's there, deal with it. I like how lately there have been slews of "ban jiggs" and "wobbling is gay" even though there is literally ONE player for each of those characters that have been doing well in tourney placings.
Fox's shine is in the same manner in that it can one hit KO people. We've seen people get KOed at 7% by a shinespike but instead of saying "that's so gay" we say "OOOHHH THAT WAS SICK" well what makes Fox being able to do it sick and Jiggs and ICs "gay"? If anything shouldn't it be the other way around because there is a larger slew of Fox players and Fox is said by many to be easier to learn and play proficiently than Jiggs and ICs?
Nobody ever stops to think that even with the things that makes Jiggs look so good in how Hbox plays her, is actually extremely hard to master the way he does. Hungrybox practices the game A LOT more than all of you do if he's winning because so many people have said that Jiggs is beatable by certain characters. We all know that practice makes you better, so why are so many people slacking and letting Jiggs win if they want to beat her?
But of course we all tend to forget that instead of trying to play like hbox and not getting hit and running away with Fox and lasering a bunch, you approach, and you lose. It's your fault, blame yourself people
King makes the best posts about things ever. It's pretty true really though, nobody thinks about not getting hit anymore but rather "Well if I get hit I'd rather be able to get 2 hits on them and at least I hit them twice and they hit me once", it's completely different. Hungrybox is definitely extremely intelligent and exploits what makes a player good more than other people do.
She also isn't banned or restricted for the same reason of MK in that he can be beaten. It isn't impossible and it doesn't matter how broken it is, it's there, deal with it. I like how lately there have been slews of "ban jiggs" and "wobbling is gay" even though there is literally ONE player for each of those characters that have been doing well in tourney placings.
Fox's shine is in the same manner in that it can one hit KO people. We've seen people get KOed at 7% by a shinespike but instead of saying "that's so gay" we say "OOOHHH THAT WAS SICK" well what makes Fox being able to do it sick and Jiggs and ICs "gay"? If anything shouldn't it be the other way around because there is a larger slew of Fox players and Fox is said by many to be easier to learn and play proficiently than Jiggs and ICs?
Nobody ever stops to think that even with the things that makes Jiggs look so good in how Hbox plays her, is actually extremely hard to master the way he does. Hungrybox practices the game A LOT more than all of you do if he's winning because so many people have said that Jiggs is beatable by certain characters. We all know that practice makes you better, so why are so many people slacking and letting Jiggs win if they want to beat her?
But of course we all tend to forget that instead of trying to play like hbox and not getting hit and running away with Fox and lasering a bunch, you approach, and you lose. It's your fault, blame yourself people
hungrybox
Smash Legend
i <3 aphex twinLol @ Zodiac.
King makes the best posts about things ever. It's pretty true really though, nobody thinks about not getting hit anymore but rather "Well if I get hit I'd rather be able to get 2 hits on them and at least I hit them twice and they hit me once", it's completely different. Hungrybox is definitely extremely intelligent and exploits what makes a player good more than other people do.
She also isn't banned or restricted for the same reason of MK in that he can be beaten. It isn't impossible and it doesn't matter how broken it is, it's there, deal with it. I like how lately there have been slews of "ban jiggs" and "wobbling is gay" even though there is literally ONE player for each of those characters that have been doing well in tourney placings.
Fox's shine is in the same manner in that it can one hit KO people. We've seen people get KOed at 7% by a shinespike but instead of saying "that's so gay" we say "OOOHHH THAT WAS SICK" well what makes Fox being able to do it sick and Jiggs and ICs "gay"? If anything shouldn't it be the other way around because there is a larger slew of Fox players and Fox is said by many to be easier to learn and play proficiently than Jiggs and ICs?
Nobody ever stops to think that even with the things that makes Jiggs look so good in how Hbox plays her, is actually extremely hard to master the way he does. Hungrybox practices the game A LOT more than all of you do if he's winning because so many people have said that Jiggs is beatable by certain characters. We all know that practice makes you better, so why are so many people slacking and letting Jiggs win if they want to beat her?
But of course we all tend to forget that instead of trying to play like hbox and not getting hit and running away with Fox and lasering a bunch, you approach, and you lose. It's your fault, blame yourself people
Winston
Smash Master
What King said is valid, but this statement kind of annoys me. Why do you assume that top players (and players in general) don't think about the neutral game and how not to get hit?
There may have been way more development in the punishment game over the last few years, but that's because when the games are between fox, falco, marth, sheik, etc. there was naturally more room to develop along that axis.
Iron Dragon
Smash Lord
Next big tourney you're at you should team with Wobbles so you can piss off EVERYONE.
It'll be like when you teamed with Chu at C.E.O. but worse(for other people that is
)@ Gustav: Yeah you're right in a way but at the same time think about why people like Armada and Hbox do so well. They're lighter and they get killed so easily that they have to work harder than characters like Fox in the getting kill area. It just seems like everyone has still forgotten that Jigglypuff does die from Fox's usmash at 55-65% on most stages. So when I look at it, to me it shows how hard players like Armada and Hbox work to get where they do, and it shows in how they play and how well they do because Fox seems to have limitless options in situations against Peach and Puff yet they find ways around it and are able to beat players like Jman,Zhu,DrPP and for some reason people look DOWN on this instead of looking UP at it for inspiration and what they're doing just because they don't like that character. It doesn't matter how much you like a character, but to not even respect what they are ABLE to do with that character, is where I do the whole -respect to people type thing.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
******** post #1.
Takeover1806
Smash Champion
It's so sad that people ***** about Jigglypuff when there are only 2 dominant jigglypuffs that ****.
If there are multiple characters that have to ability to take down jigglypuff, this does not make her broken. Like in regionals/Locals, there are no jigglypuff's to be found that **** tournaments.
For those melee player's that don't follow brawl, lets take a look at metaknight. He dominates regionals/locals & this is why there is a ban metaknight discussion every few months. But people overlook that there is only ONE metaknight that consistently place top 3 on the national level which is mew2king.
Why is metaknight not banned already?
Because it's been proven on the highest level that the best metaknight can be beaten consistently by a variety of other characters.
It's all the same in any game we play at the highest level, the best players have a chance to win no matter what character they may use. I mean lets be realistic all characters have there own strengths/weakness but that is why we compete and try to break the barriers of the current metagame.
The people that usually talk about banning a character are the one's are getting worse instead of learning new way's of conquering that character.
Edit: ^^^^ Nice post's by Iron Dragon
If there are multiple characters that have to ability to take down jigglypuff, this does not make her broken. Like in regionals/Locals, there are no jigglypuff's to be found that **** tournaments.
For those melee player's that don't follow brawl, lets take a look at metaknight. He dominates regionals/locals & this is why there is a ban metaknight discussion every few months. But people overlook that there is only ONE metaknight that consistently place top 3 on the national level which is mew2king.
Why is metaknight not banned already?
Because it's been proven on the highest level that the best metaknight can be beaten consistently by a variety of other characters.
It's all the same in any game we play at the highest level, the best players have a chance to win no matter what character they may use. I mean lets be realistic all characters have there own strengths/weakness but that is why we compete and try to break the barriers of the current metagame.
The people that usually talk about banning a character are the one's are getting worse instead of learning new way's of conquering that character.
Edit: ^^^^ Nice post's by Iron Dragon
hungrybox
Smash Legend
10hitomitanakas
keeper
Smash Champion
The song in Forward's combo video is not by Aphex Twin.
Stop using Link. When was the last time you played Gage anyway? He's more likely to use a space animal if you go Sheik anyway.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
who cares. we aren't gonna ban puff.
hbox plays hella gay/mad smart.
hbox *****, mango ***** more. armada ***** a bit less than hbox.
*****s win, no johns. respect that **** or beat them.
also imo peach is wayyy stupider than puff. that ***** is stacked, and has fat ***!
hbox plays hella gay/mad smart.
hbox *****, mango ***** more. armada ***** a bit less than hbox.
*****s win, no johns. respect that **** or beat them.
also imo peach is wayyy stupider than puff. that ***** is stacked, and has fat ***!
X1-12
Smash Champion
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
Hey I like playing as and against puff please don't make me sad
also that puff way playing amazingly well vs that YL so yeah YL wouldn't an insanely hard to work with PC for puff just more PS.
also that puff way playing amazingly well vs that YL so yeah YL wouldn't an insanely hard to work with PC for puff just more PS.
Mahone
Smash Champion
Nailed it.
Snowmanthatknows
Smash Journeyman
No.
Johns.
Johns.
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