rate a theoritical team

[Vro]

I'm nowhere near this point in my Diamond version, but I thought it'd be fun to try to make a team and see how it goes. I've already asked Marc for some minor edits, so I feel it's time to share it with the public.

I don't know anything about EV's even with Bulbapedia's definition. And my metagame knowledge is only based on what I've read and think is common sense, just fyi.

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Crobat @ Leftovers
(Inner Focus)
_Jolly_
Hypnosis
Taunt
Mean Look
Aerial Ace


Absol @ Scope Lens
(Super Luck)
_Adament_
Rock Smash
Stone Edge
Night Slash
Psycho Cut


Porygon Z @ Choice Scarf
(Download)
_Timid_
Ice Beam
Tri Attack
Thunder
Shadowball


Drapion @ Black Sludge
(Battle Armor)
_Impish_
Brick Break
Substitute
Toxic Spikes
Knock Off


Gorebyss
(Swift Swim)
_Timid_
Agility
Baton Pass
Psychic
Surf


Ludicolo
(Rain Dish)
_Calm_
Rain Dance
Substitute
Leech Seed
Grass Knot


Alt:

Marowak @ Thick Club
(Rock Head)
_Adamant_
Earthquake
Double Edge
Firepunch
Sword Dance

 

[IC3R]

I'm nowhere near this point in my Diamond version, but I thought it'd be fun to try to make a team and see how it goes. I've already asked Marc for some minor edits, so I feel it's time to share it with the public.

I don't know anything about EV's even with Bulbapedia's definition. And my metagame knowledge is only based on what I've read and think is common sense, just fyi.



Absol @ Scope Lens
(Super Luck)
_Jolly_
Sword Dance
Stone Edge
Night Slash
Psycho Cut

Critical Sweeper :bigthumb:

Porygon Z @ Choice Specs
(Download)
_Modest_
Ice Beam
Tri Attack
Thunderbolt
Shadowball

I recommend a Timid nature with Choice Scarf. P-Z won't be an effective Sweeper if it can't hit first...

Crobat @ Leftovers
(Inner Focus)
_Hasty_
Hypnosis
U-Turn
Mean Look
Aerial Ace

I honestly don't see the point of having Mean Look when U-Turn doesn't pass it along...Of course, I could be missing part of the strategy...

Marowak @ Thick Club
(Rock Head)
_Adamant_
Earthquake
Double Edge
Firepunch
Sword Dance

Another Physi-Sweeper? Good, anyway...

Drapion @ Black Sludge
(Battle Armor)
_Relaxed_
Brick Break
Cross Poison
Toxic Spikes
Knock Off

Not used to seeing Drapion used like this. Hmm...Poison has horrible type coverage. Chuck Cross Poison for something like Substitute...

Leafeon @ Heat Rock
(Leaf Guard)
_Calm_
Sunny Day
Solarbeam
Synthesis
Substitute

It's not recommended that you use Sunny Day combos if most of the team doesn't run off of it. And Leafeon works better as a Physical Wall w/Leaf Blade for an attacking move.

I didn't want to use any OU pokemon. I tried to balance my team out because I tend to like sweepers, so I tried to make Drapion and Leafeon my tanks. I have no clue how feasible they are, so please tell me more about them. I think type wise I did a pretty good job of spreading around each pokemon's type so there is no obvious or spot weakness, and I don't think I have any overlapping move types. I appreciate anyone's input.

Eh...it's a bit difficult to rate the team properly without all of the information...We need some more opinions...

 

[Vro]

Thanks!

I was thinking about making PZ faster, thanks for the suggestion. I didn't realize U-Turn didn't pass on Mean Look, it was my understanding this was a near normal set for a Crobat. I have too many sweepers, don't I? =/

I put Cross Poison on Drapion because I needed some sort of offensive on him. Substitute does sound a lot better. Perhaps brick break will do the job? I thought Leafeon on its own seemed really great with Sunny Day, but you're right. If my team can't use it, what's the point? Perhaps get a more fire or sunny day using team and center it around that. I just don't want to center it too much, because that strength could become a weakness. I dunno, Leafeon would get 3 benefits alone from it.

Also.. I don't know exactly where I was going with this team. I just wanted to make a very balanced UU team. Perhaps you could give me some direction with it or help me adjust the team to get direction?

 

[IC3R]

Be more than happy to.

Tomorrow, though...

*yawns*

Stupid Slakoth...

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

IC3R, I just can't get over your happy-go-lucky personality! No matter where you post, no matter what the situation, you always post energeticly and positively.

You make mii feel young again...

I'm nowhere near this point in my Diamond version, but I thought it'd be fun to try to make a team and see how it goes. I've already asked Marc for some minor edits, so I feel it's time to share it with the public.

I don't know anything about EV's even with Bulbapedia's definition. And my metagame knowledge is only based on what I've read and think is common sense, just fyi.



Absol @ Scope Lens
(Super Luck)
_Jolly_
Sword Dance
Stone Edge
Night Slash
Psycho Cut

Good, but you'd better max his Speed.

Porygon Z @ Choice Specs
(Download)
_Modest_
Ice Beam
Tri Attack
Thunderbolt
Shadowball

I'd make it Timid, and max it's Speed.

Crobat @ Leftovers
(Inner Focus)
_Hasty_
Hypnosis
U-Turn
Mean Look
Aerial Ace

This works better as a lead.

Marowak @ Thick Club
(Rock Head)
_Adamant_
Earthquake
Double Edge
Firepunch
Sword Dance

Just because you have Rock Head doesn't mean you should use Double-Edge. I'd use Stone Edge.

Drapion @ Black Sludge
(Battle Armor)
_Relaxed_
Brick Break
Cross Poison
Toxic Spikes
Knock Off

Meh, I don't know much about Drapion. Looks good. (I think)

Leafeon @ Heat Rock
(Leaf Guard)
_Calm_
Sunny Day
Solarbeam
Synthesis
Substitute

I'm not yelling at you or anything, but why do sooooo many people use a weather move on one Pokemon just for the benefit of that Pokemon?

I didn't want to use any OU pokemon. I tried to balance my team out because I tend to like sweepers, so I tried to make Drapion and Leafeon my tanks. I have no clue how feasible they are, so please tell me more about them. I think type wise I did a pretty good job of spreading around each pokemon's type so there is no obvious or spot weakness, and I don't think I have any overlapping move types. I appreciate anyone's input.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[IC3R]

There's a thread in here that should explain EVs pretty thoroughly. You should check that out...

Meanwhile, I will give you EV spreads in terms of Pokemon to kill...


Absol is so sexy with it's one million ways to get Critical Hits. I fear that a Swords Dance won't help very much if Absol geats beat down in the process. It turns out there's no move it can learn to raise it's Speed; so it'll need Speed-Support from another Poke, or you could teach it Me First just to be a *****. Substitute is always an option. Try out Swords Dance to see if it works; if it doesn't, throw it for another attack. (252 Bidoof, 6 Machop, 252 Starly)
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Good P-Z. Give it a Choice Scarf and a Timid Nature. I recommend Hidden Power Fighting instead of Shadow Ball. HP Fighting is good for Blisseys, Weavile, and Tyranitar (if you fight any of those), as well as Steel types. I thank Wii4Mii for this tip. (6 Bidoof, 252 Gastly, 252 Starly)
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That Crobat should be the lead. It should use Taunt instead of Mean Look, because apparently, it annoys the heck out of people. It also needs to be either Jolly or Adamant, because it's not using any Special moves. (6 Bidoof, 252 Machop, 252 Starly)
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Marowak is good. I would use ThunderPunch instead of Double-Edge. I know almost everyone here will be all Stone Edge or Rock Slide, but I find ThunderPunch a much more reliable counter to guys like Gyarados. I can't see too many Pokemon giving this guy trouble. (Not sure of other Stats; but kill 252 Machop all the same.)
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Drapion and Leafeon function alright as Physical Walls. But against Special Sweepers, they just don't quite cut it...A good Porygon-Z, Gengar, or Starmie would shame you in the worst ways...Choose one of 'em, and stick with it...
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If you don't mind non-Uber Legendaries, you could go Registeel. It's Bordeline, has amazing defenses on both ends of the spectrum, and decent HP to compliment it. If not, you can use Shuckle or Bastiodon. All three are beautiful Power Walls.

I would have Registeel as a main Tank, with the ability to boost its defenses and take a lot of hits. I'm not going into much more detail with that. I'll let you be creative...

Another good Tank would be Slowbro or Slowking. You don't have any Water types on your team , they could help out a lot.
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Let's see what the others think...

 

[Shiri]

...or you could teach it Me First just to be a *****...

Me First requires the pkmn using it to be faster.

Yeah, I know. Don't ask. That's what I said, too.

Absol could also consider Rock Smash since it doesn't get any real fighting moves and steels kinda wall him. I mean, you could switch him out of ineffective matchups, but I think he deserves something to beat out steels since they'll be the few pkmn he's faster than. The defense drop is entirely too clutch, too. Don't mind the terrible base power, Absol can make it work. Trust me, don't be like everyone who hopes for the best with crit sets. Besides, nobody every sees Rock Smash coming--let's be real honest. If anybody else mentioned that move to you, I might honestly be surprised. I haven't run calculations, but I bet it OHKOs its fair share of common threats if you're Adamant. Speaking of which...

Also, to be honest, I don't recommend maxing speed. Adamant Absol is downright scary, but he needs an Agility pass of some sort. If you're going to max speed, then you need a scarf, because you're not beating out anything serious with a Jolly Absol, really. So with max speed no scarf, you have a not-as-strong Absol that still doesn't go first most times with terrible defenses. Not so good.

Wow @ Adamant max attack Absol Rock Smash v. Tyranitar. I don't even wanna THINK about how damage you'd do. Get that **** outta here.

I don't recommend HP fighting for Porygon-Z. It does jack to Blissey and to be honest, it's only useful against Weavile and Tyranitar if they're not boosted in any way. Choice Band either-of-them OHKOs with Brick Break and the only one you stand a chance to OHKO is Weavile. Download might guarantee a OHKO on Tyranitar, too, but if they're boosted and survive, they will massacre you. Porygon-Z's one saving grace is that his defensive stat changes from Porygon2 didn't get completely tossed, so he can survive one unboosted Brick Break most times.

Marowak is lovely as always, but it (and Absol) are begging for Jolteon or Ninjask support in the form of a sub/Agility pass. If you could find some way to get those two some speed, they'd do a lot of work for you.