warriorman222
Smash Ace
First thing: we don't nerf Rosalina herself. And we don't make the 4the lightest character even lighter.
Yeah yeah, Rosalina has Luma, but her star-shaped companion is far lighter than Jigglypuff. You can kill Luma with a Smash attack from anywhere. Also Rosalina is light, tall, slow, weak and lacking in good taunts. Luma is her only saving grace, without it she would be bottom tier.
The amount of people saying Rosalina should be easier to kill makes me lol, yet worried. People begged for a drastically longer respawn time, we get a 50% longer one. Rosalina's weight is 78, only 10 points higher than Jigglypuff, 1 higher than Kirby and 20 lighter than mario, yet see the difference it makes. The next nerf people were begging for on Rosalina was her being lighter. If Nintendo takes the same route , it will have a much bigger effect than respawn time.
In terms of stats alone(hitbox size, weight, average damage and speed, jump height, etc), I calculated that Rosalina is by far the worst character (unles you take Luma into consideration, which is literally inferior to Rosie), only the best or second best character because the existence of Luma renders these stats useless. Only Olimar has a degree of agreement on tier placement nearing something Rosalina does, and that's quite vague(somewhere botttom tier).
Nerfs to Rosaluma should go to Luma(like less health), and buffs should go to Rosie(like making her not die at 70% from smashes everywhere)at the same time unless it's extremely small nerfs like this. In the case that something like that isn't followed, Rosalina will end up either broken or screwed, the result of a pet character not being properly balanced, as the margin of error in balancing them is like 20* higher. Never should something like Luma, completely worse in itself then the statistically worst character bring said worst character to the top.
Just look at Ice Climbers, the only character better than them in Brawl was a broken, cheap, insanely fast character that was from one of Masahiro's own series. If it takes that much bias and poor balancing to make a character better than Ice Climbers, then the problem is clear. Ice climbers isn't a leader and a weaker pet. It's a leader, and a Pet that is actually better in some moves(fair for example). they can chaingrab, they also have great recovery, and have massive damage racking because 2 equal characters(a fully charged dsmash could do up to <b>58%</b>). then there's Olimar, who is guaranteed bottom tier, but was just under the already mentioned Ice Climbers, because he was a pet character.
But pet characters are supposed to be hard to use. Micromanaging in a battle should be hard for beginners, right? right, but anyone at a casual level of skill or above has enough skill to micromanage, but IC and Olimar still had tactics that made them in those tiers. But Rosalina needs no micromanagement. needs almost no protection, and some beginners can adopt the "If Luma dies run away for 8 seconds" thing that even some pros do. And Luma is normally in front of Rosalina to block surprise projectiles, people tend to space their smashes for Luma, which while their fault, just increases the complaining that much, because i can remember about 100 different examples of this on FG, 50 of which cost me a stock. Rosalina is supposed to be hard to use, not having the same skill wall as Meta Knight.
tl;dr Rosalina herself would not be very good, The way Luma works breaks her. Ice Climbers was improperly made and only beaten by Metagame Knight, and Olimar was just below them. But Rosie is way easier to use than them, which was the main balancing factor for pet characters. NOTHING should bring the statistically worst character to the top the way Luma did. Ever.
Yeah yeah, Rosalina has Luma, but her star-shaped companion is far lighter than Jigglypuff. You can kill Luma with a Smash attack from anywhere. Also Rosalina is light, tall, slow, weak and lacking in good taunts. Luma is her only saving grace, without it she would be bottom tier.
The amount of people saying Rosalina should be easier to kill makes me lol, yet worried. People begged for a drastically longer respawn time, we get a 50% longer one. Rosalina's weight is 78, only 10 points higher than Jigglypuff, 1 higher than Kirby and 20 lighter than mario, yet see the difference it makes. The next nerf people were begging for on Rosalina was her being lighter. If Nintendo takes the same route , it will have a much bigger effect than respawn time.
In terms of stats alone(hitbox size, weight, average damage and speed, jump height, etc), I calculated that Rosalina is by far the worst character (unles you take Luma into consideration, which is literally inferior to Rosie), only the best or second best character because the existence of Luma renders these stats useless. Only Olimar has a degree of agreement on tier placement nearing something Rosalina does, and that's quite vague(somewhere botttom tier).
Nerfs to Rosaluma should go to Luma(like less health), and buffs should go to Rosie(like making her not die at 70% from smashes everywhere)at the same time unless it's extremely small nerfs like this. In the case that something like that isn't followed, Rosalina will end up either broken or screwed, the result of a pet character not being properly balanced, as the margin of error in balancing them is like 20* higher. Never should something like Luma, completely worse in itself then the statistically worst character bring said worst character to the top.
Just look at Ice Climbers, the only character better than them in Brawl was a broken, cheap, insanely fast character that was from one of Masahiro's own series. If it takes that much bias and poor balancing to make a character better than Ice Climbers, then the problem is clear. Ice climbers isn't a leader and a weaker pet. It's a leader, and a Pet that is actually better in some moves(fair for example). they can chaingrab, they also have great recovery, and have massive damage racking because 2 equal characters(a fully charged dsmash could do up to <b>58%</b>). then there's Olimar, who is guaranteed bottom tier, but was just under the already mentioned Ice Climbers, because he was a pet character.
But pet characters are supposed to be hard to use. Micromanaging in a battle should be hard for beginners, right? right, but anyone at a casual level of skill or above has enough skill to micromanage, but IC and Olimar still had tactics that made them in those tiers. But Rosalina needs no micromanagement. needs almost no protection, and some beginners can adopt the "If Luma dies run away for 8 seconds" thing that even some pros do. And Luma is normally in front of Rosalina to block surprise projectiles, people tend to space their smashes for Luma, which while their fault, just increases the complaining that much, because i can remember about 100 different examples of this on FG, 50 of which cost me a stock. Rosalina is supposed to be hard to use, not having the same skill wall as Meta Knight.
tl;dr Rosalina herself would not be very good, The way Luma works breaks her. Ice Climbers was improperly made and only beaten by Metagame Knight, and Olimar was just below them. But Rosie is way easier to use than them, which was the main balancing factor for pet characters. NOTHING should bring the statistically worst character to the top the way Luma did. Ever.
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