I apologize in advance if this has been posted but sometimes when I do ZSamus's dair she floats in the air instead of doing the kamikaze death drop. I noticed that the move still spikes people down but she continues to float for a good amount of time. I've tried tapping up when I start it and other things but I don't know how to consistently do it. Has anyone come across this or know of a way to work this?
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Question about ZSamus's dair
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tisthemorning
Smash Rookie
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I have the same question too. Why is it fast sometimes, and really really really slow at others?
DashNoob
Smash Cadet
I think it depends on height. Like say, if you do it in your first jump, the attack is fast overall, but if you do it after 2 jumps+Down B it starts fast but then it gets slow.
Not really sure, just saw it a couple of times since I dont use it that much cuz of its overall landing lag.
Not really sure, just saw it a couple of times since I dont use it that much cuz of its overall landing lag.
Da N
Smash Journeyman
its either height or that ive thought it to be when you get hit upwards and try to use it as a recovery tactic to get back to the ground that your upward momentum just wont get you the speed. I don't know just a thought
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
Characters that have spike d-airs (Link, Toon Link, ZSS, Sheik, etc.) have a momentum based drop associated with them. If you're flying upwards with a relatively high velocity, the force behind your d-air has to work against it, thus slowing it down.
Da N
Smash Journeyman
yeah momentum based drop, in simpler terms if someone hit you up and you were at a relatively high percentage, when you do it to try to get back down you wont kamakazi drop but float for about two and a half seconds and then the moves over
looduhcriss
Smash Apprentice
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yea its the same thing with Sonic and ToonLink -its just what thenightmaren said
Has anyone actually put this to use for surviving? ZSS is on the lighter side of things, and I get nailed upwards at times. In brawl, you can break the tumble fast at even high %, I find you can do it most reliably with an airdodge. Is it possible to break the tumble animation quickly enough to turn around and use the Dair to cancel as much of the momentum as possible, greatly slowing her ascent for survival? I've honestly never tried, although I should have by now.
I've had the same notion, and have even done this once or twice. It's pretty useful, actually.
Cynan Machae
Smash Journeyman
Yea, I'm actually using this when being sent flying upward, but I'm not sure wether or not it's that helpful. Doesn't hurt doing it tho
0RLY
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1) The dair is still affected by momentum. If you get sent flying upwards and use dair, you won't fly down as fast.
2) If you get sent flying up fast enough with a low hitstun attack, you can use dair to stay in place in midair, or even fly upwards while using the dair.
3) You can use this to save yourself from upward kill attacks. As long as the hitstun of the attack you're being hit with is low enough, you can use your dair to lose upward momentum, and save yourself.
4) You should never attempt to spike with the dair, it's more like a recovery move for upward kill attacks.
5) Even if you do manage to spike with the dair, it's only a meteor and can be meteor canceled. You will always die first if you manage the spike.
6) Spike with B-down, or footstool with B-down. It's much more effective. B-down footstools gives you extremely good aerial mobility and distance compared to that of a normal footstool.
2) If you get sent flying up fast enough with a low hitstun attack, you can use dair to stay in place in midair, or even fly upwards while using the dair.
3) You can use this to save yourself from upward kill attacks. As long as the hitstun of the attack you're being hit with is low enough, you can use your dair to lose upward momentum, and save yourself.
4) You should never attempt to spike with the dair, it's more like a recovery move for upward kill attacks.
5) Even if you do manage to spike with the dair, it's only a meteor and can be meteor canceled. You will always die first if you manage the spike.
6) Spike with B-down, or footstool with B-down. It's much more effective. B-down footstools gives you extremely good aerial mobility and distance compared to that of a normal footstool.